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gogz2005 10-11-2011 06:45 AM

found the cause of back wiper problem
 
Hi all my car was acting weird for a while, the back window washer fluid was running constantly all the time even with the car turned off, did a lot of troubleshooting until I figured out the cause of the problem.

The motor rear window wiper motor had an ic or capacitor burnt, not sure what is it.

the following photo should show it,
My question is what is this ?? I can read the numbers R090141 with the letter M in a circle i think stands for motorola. is this an ic?

Can this be fixed instead of paying $ 300 for a new motor?

thanks in advance.
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Zulu95 10-11-2011 09:22 AM

It is an IC. If you can get a better picture where you can read the numbers you may be able to do a search for it online. Then you have to be able to remove the old IC and solder the new IC onto the board without damaging either. This is a "surface mount" rather than a "through hole" type.
GL.

dhyrk3 10-11-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulu95 (Post 846718)
It is an IC. ... This is a "surface mount" rather than a "through hole" type.
GL.

and i'm telling you it's NOT easy to solder back SMDs !

Zulu95 10-11-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dhyrk3 (Post 846738)
and i'm telling you it's NOT easy to solder back SMDs !

Not one of my favorite things to do. I gave up board repair when the through hole to SMD change became more widespread. Too fiddly and much too easy to damage and/or short the solder lugs. Not to mention if you can actually find the correct one!

HPIA4v2 10-11-2011 12:46 PM

SMD(surface mount devices) removal, you can buy soldering tip with the SOIC(Small Outline IC) footprint or use heat-gun to melt the solder and lift the SOIC chip one row at the time using small flat screw driver once the solder melt.
In any rate be careful not to disturb the other parts. You can search youtube for "SOIC removal" video..

Looks like that SOIC has popped from junction overheat (can't tell for sure), it's a good idea to check if you have short or burned motor etc, IC don't just overheat w/o any reasons.

ECS Tuning 10-11-2011 01:08 PM

Good luck with your repair, that looks like a bit of a tricky one. But if it does not work out, you can find a new one here for the E53 X5.

ECS Tuning

gogz2005 10-11-2011 01:10 PM

thank you every one for replay , by search the rest of the numbers I can read I found it out to be MC33286dw made by motorola but not sure if I will find a replacement for that or not. I might end up buying a new one :(

pmt 10-11-2011 02:04 PM

I've done this...
 
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Originally Posted by gogz2005 (Post 846761)
thank you every one for replay , by search the rest of the numbers I can read I found it out to be MC33286dw made by motorola but not sure if I will find a replacement for that or not. I might end up buying a new one :(

I had the same problem and I did the same repair with mine, see here:
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...er-broken.html

I was unable to find the MC33286DW (it is no longer produced) and instead used a MC33289DW bought from digikey for about $4. The ICs were almost the same, except pin 10 -- you'll see what I mean when you compare the datasheets. The only problem was that the washer wouldn't work after the repair (not sure as a result of pin 10, or some other failure on the board.)

I am by no means an expert, but I didn't have any problems with the desolder/solder of the SMD IC with a plain soldering iron with small tip and some flux.

The repair lasted about 16-17 months before the same IC burnt out again. There must be some other defect on the board and I'm surprised there aren't more failures listed here.

I tried the repair again but some of the pads lifted when I desoldered and just ended up buying a complete new unit. I wish the circuit boards were sold separately as the motor is fine. I should have looked to see if the circuit board on the new one was the same.

Let me know if you have any questions or need help. Good luck.

Zulu95 10-11-2011 02:43 PM

It is an automotive dual driver.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2.../MC33286DW.jpg

gogz2005 10-11-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pmt (Post 846770)
I had the same problem and I did the same repair with mine, see here:
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...er-broken.html

I was unable to find the MC33286DW (it is no longer produced) and instead used a MC33289DW bought from digikey for about $4. The ICs were almost the same, except pin 10 -- you'll see what I mean when you compare the datasheets. The only problem was that the washer wouldn't work after the repair (not sure as a result of pin 10, or some other failure on the board.)

I am by no means an expert, but I didn't have any problems with the desolder/solder of the SMD IC with a plain soldering iron with small tip and some flux.

The repair lasted about 16-17 months before the same IC burnt out again. There must be some other defect on the board and I'm surprised there aren't more failures listed here.

I tried the repair again but some of the pads lifted when I desoldered and just ended up buying a complete new unit. I wish the circuit boards were sold separately as the motor is fine. I should have looked to see if the circuit board on the new one was the same.

Let me know if you have any questions or need help. Good luck.

Very nice write up pmt , I wish i seen your post before , I been crazy finding the problem. I switch front motors, I took off the wiper switch attached to the steering wheel , I even took it to BMW dealer and they couldn't find out what was wrong.
I don't really use the back wiper but sad to see my Bimmer in need for something and I don't fix it.

I found the IC on one web site and I sent a request for a quote but honestly I don't know if I can solder this with my shacking hands :( I might find a computer store or someone can help me out with this.

Again I really appreciate your help and your time helping me finding a solution.

Best regards

gogz2005 10-11-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulu95 (Post 846776)

Yup Zulu I found that chart but sadly I'm not an electrical guy , I'm a chemical engineer with no job :D

I'll try to get the same part and take it to someone to solder it .

Thanks a lot Zulu for your help..

gogz2005 10-11-2011 03:54 PM

pmt I have two questions .
Did you disconnect the circuit board or did you welded the new ic while it's still attached to the plastic frame?
I'm afraid I will break something underneath if I force lifting it.

2nd here is the link to the website has the IC
MC33286DW datasheet pdf,MC33286DW supplier,MC33286DW price,MC33286DW picture at UTSOURCE
but I'm not sure which one should I get is MC33286DWR2 is the same as MC33286DW ?

Thanks in advance

pmt 10-11-2011 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gogz2005 (Post 846786)
pmt I have two questions .
Did you disconnect the circuit board or did you welded the new ic while it's still attached to the plastic frame?
I'm afraid I will break something underneath if I force lifting it.

2nd here is the link to the website has the IC
MC33286DW datasheet pdf,MC33286DW supplier,MC33286DW price,MC33286DW picture at UTSOURCE
but I'm not sure which one should I get is MC33286DWR2 is the same as MC33286DW ?

Thanks in advance

The circuit board is soldered directly to the motor power contacts, so it can't be removed from the assembly without desoldering. I fixed it while it was still attached to the motor with no issues.

I believe that MC33286DW and MC33826DWR2 are equivalent. I think the R2 is just a later revision.

Back when I did this in 2008, I could not find a source for MC33286DW in quantities less than 100 and had to go for the MC33289DW from digi-key for about $4. I hope this site you found works out for you.

Also, if you're taking it to an electronics repair place to have it soldered, they may also be able to get the MC33286DW from their suppliers -- may be worth asking them.

Let us know how it goes...

gogz2005 10-14-2011 01:04 PM

pmt thanks a lot for your replay I ordered two of those ICs just in case, It will take two weeks to get them in the mail. the sad point I'm not able to find someone to do the soldering for me close to chicago. I will let you know how it will go.
thanks again

pmt 10-14-2011 03:46 PM

How much did you end up paying for the ICs, if you don't mind sharing?

There should be plenty of places that could solder that for you. Check on the web or on Craiglist for "electronics repair" or "video game console repair" -- most of those guys that fix xbox and PS3 problems would have the necessary skills and equipment to do something like this. ...and there are plently of them.

gogz2005 10-14-2011 11:45 PM

I paid 5 bucks for each plus $4 for shipping so total of $14 :)

I will try finding someone solder it for me and I will let you know ,
Regards


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