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K2wdf 12-12-2011 03:01 PM

Locked out
 
Hi, I'm locked out my car due to a flat battery and my door lock being broken,i don't have much mechanical know how but is it easy enough to reach the starter from underneath to use a booster pack to give it enough power to open the doors?any info would be appreciated.

thedweeb 12-12-2011 07:29 PM

Have you tried going tho the boot ? You need the bonnet or boot up to get to the terminals.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 07:38 PM

How do I get in through the boot? There is no noticeable lock? I expected there to be a hidden lock under the plinth but no sign of one unless you need to take the plinth off to access it??? When it happened in the past the BMW assist guy got in through the boot within minutes and i hadn't even given him the key???

thedweeb 12-12-2011 07:41 PM

I thought there was a key slot where the number plate lights are... Its pissing down with rain outside right now as i would take a look at mine.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 07:45 PM

I have been looking on forums all night and by the sounds of things,some have a key slot there and some don't,I also have an e70 and that doesn't have one there either,it seems like a common problem with people being locked out,don't want to have to break a window.

thedweeb 12-12-2011 07:47 PM

Are you sure you have a flat battery ? Have you tried another key? May be stating the obvious but always worth a try.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 07:52 PM

Yes the battery is defo flat,the car has been sitting unmoved for around 2 months and when Ive went back to it someone has tried to get in through the lock and now the lock is buggered so no way of gaining access,there must be some way through the tailgate as the BMW guy done it before but dont know how as he didn't even have the key, is the lock on the plinth that unnoticeable that I maybe can't see it? It's driving me nuts

TwinsPoppa 12-12-2011 08:00 PM

You can try this:

http://www.xoutpost.com/847158-post7.html

I'm not sure if you can call AAA to go through the hatch and pull that emergency release. Most of the time they can use a bladder to create a gap but not sure if that can be done on the rear hatch without breaking it.

I thought there was a method where you could restore power temporarily to use your keys to unlock (under the car). I can't remember the method offhand. I'll try and see if I can find it.

EDIT: Is there AAA over there?! LOL! Sorry, I didn't notice you're not stateside.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:05 PM

Where is the emergency release cable located??? A bit nervous at drilling holes and not knowing what I'm looking to pull?do you think this is what the BMW assist guy could have done as he opened it without the key??? I appreciate the help.

thedweeb 12-12-2011 08:05 PM

Ive just had a look at mine..Your right there aint no lock, well I would of bet my last £ that there was one. As for the BMW tech getting in I have no idea. I will look on the UK x5 site to see if I can find out.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thedweeb (Post 855996)
Ive just had a look at mine..Your right there aint no lock, well I would of bet my last £ that there was one. As for the BMW tech getting in I have no idea. I will look on the UK x5 site to see if I can find out.

Thanks for your help, I know if I call BMW assist again they will charge me a fortune and get in within minutes :banghead:

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa (Post 855993)
You can try this:

http://www.xoutpost.com/847158-post7.html

I'm not sure if you can call AAA to go through the hatch and pull that emergency release. Most of the time they can use a bladder to create a gap but not sure if that can be done on the rear hatch without breaking it.

I thought there was a method where you could restore power temporarily to use your keys to unlock (under the car). I can't remember the method offhand. I'll try and see if I can find it.

EDIT: Is there AAA over there?! LOL! Sorry, I didn't notice you're not stateside.

We have the AA and RAC but not very helpful,I was told you could use a booster pack or jump leads and touch the starter to give enough power for the central locking to work but I'm not mechanically minded so don't know if it's possible or how accessible the starter motor is from under Neath the car???

TwinsPoppa 12-12-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by K2wdf (Post 855999)
We have the AA and RAC but not very helpful,I was told you could use a booster pack or jump leads and touch the starter to give enough power for the central locking to work but I'm not mechanically minded so don't know if it's possible or how accessible the starter motor is from under Neath the car???

I think that booster pack method was the one I was thinking of.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa (Post 856003)
I think that booster pack method was the one I was thinking of.

Do you know how accessible that is from the under side of the car or where it would be located if I was looking from the under side???

TwinsPoppa 12-12-2011 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by K2wdf (Post 856004)
Do you know how accessible that is from the under side of the car or where it would be located if I was looking from the under side???

Not off the top of my head. Never had to do it but check on realoem. I'd check for you but don't have the X as its my wife's daily driver.

What model do you have?

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa (Post 856005)
Not off the top of my head. Never had to do it but check on realoem. I'd check for you but don't have the X as its my wife's daily driver.

What model do you have?

It's the 3.0i sport that I'm having the problem with

TwinsPoppa 12-12-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by K2wdf (Post 856007)
It's the 3.0i sport that I'm having the problem with

Try these two threads to help locate it.

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...oval-3-0l.html

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ment-3-0i.html

romeokc10 12-12-2011 08:43 PM

This too funny that this thread is on the front page, I'm standing outside of Ikea and can't get inside my X5, lock is broken and my remote key is dead like most of ours are.

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa (Post 856011)

Thanks, I'll have a read through

K2wdf 12-12-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeokc10 (Post 856014)
This too funny that this thread is on the front page, I'm standing outside of Ikea and can't get inside my X5, lock is broken and my remote key is dead like most of ours are.

It does seem to be a really common problem,if you manage to get access, post up how you done it or pm me please lol

TwinsPoppa 12-12-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by romeokc10 (Post 856014)
This too funny that this thread is on the front page, I'm standing outside of Ikea and can't get inside my X5, lock is broken and my remote key is dead like most of ours are.

You have a V8 and you need to remove the protecting skidplate. So, a little harder for starter access in your case.

I would try AAA or some such service and ask them what they can do. This can't be the first X that they have to get into.

thedweeb 12-12-2011 09:06 PM

I have spoken to someone on another X5 site who says it can be opened by adding power but for reasons of security it shouldnt be discussed on the net, which come to think of it sounds very logical. His advice was to get an Auto lock smith round who will know how to do it. Got to be cheaper than smashing a window!!
Cheers Dweeb

romeokc10 12-12-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa (Post 856020)
You have a V8 and you need to remove the protecting skidplate. So, a little harder for starter access in your case.

I would try AAA or some such service and ask them what they can do. This can't be the first X that they have to get into.

My battery is not dead, the lock itself is broken, and by the way my stiffener plate is not on the car, I took it off this summer to clean it...lol!

romeokc10 12-12-2011 09:19 PM

I called the BMW dealership, they said to pull the door frame away from the car to try and access the central locking button with a clothes hangar or something of that nature. Now of course I'm thinking this will damage the car as the frame is a tight fit, but he said if I had it towed to them that's how they would do it!

btmed 12-12-2011 09:42 PM

Call around for a locksmith. Let them know its an x5 and they will either know exactly how to do it or wont have a clue. They have the tools to get thru the door jamb to hit the central lock and pull the door handle without any damage. And it will be a lot cheaper than breaking a window!

romeokc10 12-14-2011 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by btmed (Post 856032)
Call around for a locksmith. Let them know its an x5 and they will either know exactly how to do it or wont have a clue. They have the tools to get thru the door jamb to hit the central lock and pull the door handle without any damage. And it will be a lot cheaper than breaking a window!


This what I finally ended up doing, I couldn't find a place to purchase the little airbags to pry open the door jam. So I gave up and called a locksmith that had them, took him only about 30 minutes to open the door, take the cylinder out of door and I was on my way $200 lighter in wallet at Xmas time!:mad::mad:

TwinsPoppa 12-14-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by romeokc10 (Post 856340)
This what I finally ended up doing, I couldn't find a place to purchase the little airbags to pry open the door jam. So I gave up and called a locksmith that had them, took him only about 30 minutes to open the door, take the cylinder out of door and I was on my way $200 lighter in wallet at Xmas time!:mad::mad:

He couldn't just use the bladder and hit the central lock button?

$200 is highway robbery. A good emergency road service like AAA will almost always pay for itself.

Ghost-Flame 12-14-2011 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeokc10 (Post 856014)
This too funny that this thread is on the front page, I'm standing outside of Ikea and can't get inside my X5, lock is broken and my remote key is dead like most of ours are.

I have one dead remote key and one that works. Sounds like I better replace the dead one in case the lock drum goes bad.

Something else to worry about.

Why didn't the BMW dealer offer to make you a new remote from the serial number, give your credit card over the phone and have one of the lot attendants drive it out to you? I know this can be done for a Ford product... never tried with the BMW.

I guess there are security concerns with someone calling and claiming to be you.

Ghost-Flame 12-15-2011 08:29 AM

FYI

aftermarket keys BMW

2002 BMW X5 Keyless Entry Remote 02 3.0i 4.4i 4.4is SUV LX8 FZV

SlickGT1 12-15-2011 11:34 AM

I always see this and it scares me that my wife will be screwed somewhere one day. I have AAA, but you know those guys can take hours.

Is there a way to retro a door lock cylinder on the pass door. I mean the Euro guys have the drivers door on the other side. I would do this in a heartbeat if it was possible.

thedweeb 12-15-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 856425)
I always see this and it scares me that my wife will be screwed somewhere one day. I have AAA, but you know those guys can take hours.

Is there a way to retro a door lock cylinder on the pass door. I mean the Euro guys have the drivers door on the other side. I would do this in a heartbeat if it was possible.

Confussed , yes we do have the lock on the other side, but still only one lock.
Dweeb

bigwave2255 12-15-2011 07:55 PM

um didnt the OP say his battery in the CAR was flat, in which case how would prying open the door frame and hitting the central locking button help???

i suspect he took the only course available in getting a lock smith.

TwinsPoppa 12-15-2011 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigwave2255 (Post 856481)
um didnt the OP say his battery in the CAR was flat, in which case how would prying open the door frame and hitting the central locking button help???

i suspect he took the only course available in getting a lock smith.

Someone else posted on this thread that had a similar problem but not a dead battery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeokc10 (Post 856014)
This too funny that this thread is on the front page, I'm standing outside of Ikea and can't get inside my X5, lock is broken and my remote key is dead like most of ours are.


TwinsPoppa 12-15-2011 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedweeb (Post 856479)
Confussed , yes we do have the lock on the other side, but still only one lock.
Dweeb

SlickGT1 wants TWO locks - one for each front door. He's over here in the USA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 856425)
I always see this and it scares me that my wife will be screwed somewhere one day. I have AAA, but you know those guys can take hours.

Is there a way to retro a door lock cylinder on the pass door. I mean the Euro guys have the drivers door on the other side. I would do this in a heartbeat if it was possible.


Phr3d 12-15-2011 09:57 PM

does seem kinda' stin-gee, one door only - would have solved most lock-cylinder issues.. guess I won't be converting mine to RHD if I move to St. Thomas.

retrofit sounds scary, OBC-wise.

SlickGT1 12-16-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Phr3d (Post 856506)
does seem kinda' stin-gee, one door only - would have solved most lock-cylinder issues.. guess I won't be converting mine to RHD if I move to St. Thomas.

retrofit sounds scary, OBC-wise.

How do you figure.

I figure we would need the exterior door handle, door lock, and the mechanism on the inside. I can't imagine the car would know if anything changed.

Going to see if RealOEM has part number similarities.

SlickGT1 12-16-2011 11:28 AM

RealOEM.com * BMW E53 X5 4.8is DOOR CONTROL FRONT

So it looks like I will need the following.
09 Cover, lock cylinder, right SCHWARZ 1 51218243622
11 CATCH WITH KEY RIGHT 1 51217035422 $61.28
11 CATCH WITH KEY CODE RIGHT 1 51217035420

Can someone take a look at this. Is there something else that is missing? How does the lock cylinder connect to the actuator? What the hell is the catch with key code right? Key Code? Is this something that will have to be coded. I doubt it though. I am also pretty sure I can get that key cylinder to match my current key.

Other than that, the part list does not seem to be that crazy.

Well, one other thing. ECStunning does not have any of this, except for the cylinder, and they are overpriced on that part. So I am guessing that someone from UK might have to hook us up with the parts.

Phr3d 12-16-2011 12:32 PM

OBC knows when the resistance is off on a turn signal and you want to add a completely new and never done before circuit to the Security section? The wiring and taps alone gives me the creeps. I am getting that you want to do it mechanically Only?

sorry, that's how I figure.

and as always, would be overjoyed to hear different, because I cannot understand how Not having a passenger lock-cylinder could be seen as an improvement by the Werken gurus.

SlickGT1 12-16-2011 04:00 PM

Exactly. I just want it as an entry point. Nothing else. I don't know why it would be complex. I figure the only coding this would need to make sure the alarm doesn't get all out of whack when the pass door is unlocked first. I don't really care about that though. I just want to make sure one can still get into the car.

Ghost-Flame 12-28-2011 08:05 AM

^I agree given that the alarm will go of when the psgr door is open., I would just have the remote handy to immediatly shut the alarm off and I would just set it up mechanically. Given how sensitive these electronics are I would be happy with just getting the mechanics right and go from there. I googles bmw part in the UK and forund several dealers that have used parts.

You need more information that I had to do a search. But, it seems they are available.


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