BMW is going to replace engine ---misfiring issue
 

this is the follow up thread for the engine misfiring issue that i had created about a month ago. As i mentioned in that thread, BMW had replaced intermediate levers twice so far without any resolution of the problem. They have , now, agreed to replace the engine. Initially, my dealer was suggesting that it was not a good idea to put a new engine in a 2005 x5. They told me that BMW would offer me $3000 towards a new purchase. I insisted that the engine be replaced as the cost of engine replacement would be lot more or the actual cost of repair should be put in towards new purchase. I was told that it would cost BMW $13k to replace then engine. Today, service manager told me that BMW would not contribute towards new purchase. engine replacement would be my only option. I am sensing foul play by the dealer here. Is there anyway I can contact BMW directly regarding this issue. I really dont think it is a good idea to put a new engine in an almost 8 year old truck.

really need help here.

thanks very much

1. Get new engine
2. Sell new engine
3. Profit

good idea but how will I drive it without an engine

a new used engine is about 1,500...
junkyard hookup ;)

pay an indy to swap it... about 1,000

and hey new used engine under 3k.
sometimes need to use brain more than ears at dealer.

update picked up my x5 from indy. they use a snap on 12k scanner... hard to use and supposibly cleared codes. I come home, connect DIS and find a few codes like secondary air. clear all and motor runs good again.

Your truck is out of warranty, unless it is CPO.... If its out, it's out

it is CPO....

How is it foul play? It's the dealer....it's all a numbers game for them. I could be wrong on this, but if the dealer replaces the engine under the CPO warranty, doesnt BMW pay for it? Where as giving you 13k off a new purchase would come off the dealers bottom line, as they would be undoubtedly selling a vehicle at a loss...

I'm not sure what I would do in your case....but asking them to give you 13k off a new purchase because that's the cost for the engine replacement on a vehicle you didn't buy new (and is pushing 8 years) is somewhat unreasonable on your part, IMO of course.

I am not asking the dealer to give me a $13K discount. Initially, I was told by the dealer that BMW would pay $3k towards a new purchase. I am asking that BMW (not the dealer) contribute actual amount that BMW would incur in replacing the engine towards new purchase. this would come from BMW and not from dealers bottom line.

I am missing something here. There is something I am not understanding. So initially your dealer gave you an offer of $3K towards a new vehicle purchase. Now with this offer, would you be able to trade the X5 in and combine the total towards the new purchase?

Now later, you are saying the dealer withdrew their initial offer and was instructed by BMW NA to give you a replacement motor which is in the ballpark of $13K. (I actually think it is more than that. I think a new motor is $16K if I'm not mistaken) and then the labor on top of that. SO your total could be around $18K to $20K for a new motor. But you are hesitant for them to put a new motor in. What is your concern? Why do you think it is a bad idea to put a new motor in a 7 year old SAV?

In my honest opinion, if BMWNA is offering to put a new motor in, I would run with it. I don't know if you have a 4.8 or 4.4 motor but it is a new motor! No matter how many miles you have on it. Now could their be glitches when putting in a new motor? Sure, but you are under CPO and the motor will come with a warranty. Any problems relating to it will be fixed within the time frame.

If you chose not to keep it after it is fixed, you can sell it. Take the cash and buy another vehicle.

Enlighten me because I am not understanding.

Yes they did offer $3k towards new purchase initially and were suggesting that it wouldnt be a good idea to put a new engine in an old SAV. now the service manager is telling me that the only option that I have is to have the engine replaced.

my concern is that this is going to be somewhat of a waste. I will not keep it for more than a few years. They are also telling me that i would need $2.5k of additional repairs( not under warranty).. if i look at the numbers, I will be better off with a new purchase that will come with warranty for at least 3 years.

i have 4.4 engine

Put a motor in it and stop crying over spilled milk.... Your not the only person on the planet with a misfiring valvetronic V8... And asking them to put the motor value towards a new car is unreasonable. You paid for cpo warranty through the purchase of the vehicle, and that is what you should get. Just be lucky BMW isn't making continue with this motor untill they fix it

Yeah, I don't know why that SA would say it is not a good idea. What would be the drawback? Now when you say "Additional repairs not covered under CPO" what are they saying isn't covered? In my understanding, a CPO warranty is pretty much a standard warranty. I don't know this dealership sounds fishy to me.

they are not fishy as far as warranty is concerned. my CPO expired last year. Engine issue was still under warranty though.

they are suggesting following repairs. front lower control arms , front thrust arm bushings,the axles. according to them axle boots are torn. they wont chaarge me labor for axle replacement as engine will be already out.

if I get the engine replaced and other repairs done, what could potentially go wrong over next 3 years.

$2500 for the items mentioned? Those have nothing to with an engine replacement. Be assertive in saying if they plan on doing the motor, then just do the motor. Axles, fine, but the other 2 items have no correlation to the motor replacement.

Depends on what you mean by "go wrong". I think you want to expect to need to refresh everything in the cooling system and everything in the steering and suspension system in that time frame. Maybe timing chain guide rails. Those would be prudent maintenance expectations to me, but I suppose some would put it all in the "go wrong" bucket.

If CPO 'expired last year', how is potential new engine covered? Having trouble understand the OP's thread....

If it really is a new engine installed and made to run with all the gizmo systems involved, I would suggest the OP take the deal, even if he is only going to drive it a few more years.

As for the suspension stuff, et al, it's probably the dlr trying to recoup some costs or make some more dough.
GL, mD

I concur with mD. Well, I am not doubting the new motor. Doesn't bmw give a 12/mo 12K warranty on the motor or is that just for parts? But I agree, having trouble understanding of CPO is expired how is the engine covered? unless a case was opened before the CPO ran out?

They're just trying to get money from you. Almost every time that you take a vehicle to the dealer, they'll try to get you on any additional repairs possible. Just get the CA's/bushings done by an indy.

The N62B44 is $17000 for my car

It's called goodwill

Hmmm... Everything is cut and dry with you eh?

Let me get this straight.....your CPO coverage is expired; BMW is still willing to cover a motor replacement under the warranty of previous work done to the engine......and you're complaining?

If you're concerned about what "may" go wrong with the vehicle over the next 3 years (whether or not you get a motor replacement)....I don't think a V8 X5 is the vehicle for you. Maintenance is an on-going process with any version of these trucks if you want them to last....

thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I will try to address some of the questions raised in this post.

- My CPO warranty expired last year. The original work done on my X5 was within original warranty period. They replaced intermediate levers twice on this vehicle. My x5 has spent 4 months in last 3 years at the dealer. BMW offers 24 months warranty post-repair. I thought warranty lasted for 12 months only like some of you think. In fact, one of the SAs ( not my usual) initially told me that this issue wouldnt be covered by warranty. one good soul from this forum researched my vehicle and found out that my warranty extended until 05/13. Thank you again KC!

- I am not complaining . I think BMWNA has been very generous. I love X5 and will not drive anything but BMW for quite some time or until I can afford more than BMW.

- I highly appreciate the work my dealership did to get a new engine approved. They documented everything meticulously and advocated on my behalf. If I end up replacing the engine, they will get the job. If I decide to get a new car, then they will have the first shot.

-I understand the dealership is there to make money as all businesses are. I have nothing against that. However, I a have feeling the dealership changed their mind against letting me use the proceeds towards a new purchase purely based on their interests. Again, I have no problem with that. But this doesnt mean our interests are similar. I am looking at this opportunity from my perspective. I could purchase a 2010 model if they contribute $13k. I probably will have to chip in $5-8k. I will be covered for next 3 years under CPO warranty and will be driving a newer car.

- I am not scared of maintenance costs. I am just trying to figure out which option would be financially better.

-i have been told BMWNA would sometimes contribute towards a new purchase on a case to case basis.

-I will be more than happy to just have new engine installed if that remains my only option. I will not sell the new engine and get an old engine installed as someone had suggested in good faith. Although a good thought but dont have time to take the risk of playing with junk yard engine.

thanks again . I appreciate your thoughts

I would take the motor be done with the dealer. You can get an independent shop to do the axles, thrust arms and contol arms for a fraction of what the dealer is asking. Unless you feel like throwing the dealer a $1,500 bonus for helping you get a new engine.

Do the work on the vehicle, then when completed sell it and get maximum money outright for it and then go back and buy the 2010 outright and likely end up better off than trying to play the internal game with them.

My two cents...

Damn, I wish I could have a brand new motor in my X5 for free!
All BMW parts, including motor and and tramissions, etc. have a two year warranty. The motor has a two year warranty with unlimited mileage.

It's a no brainer... put the motor in!

Any shop can replace the axles and bushings. They are commom replacement items. I replaced an axle myself with an aftermarket axle for about $120.00

Yeah, if it expired just last year and it's got <100k on it, BMW NA may be willing to negotiate a goodwill replacement (usually they pay parts and you pay labor). I'd get in contact with them, explain the situation (nicely), and ask if there's anything that they can do. If that fails, call back and speak to a higher-up.

If that fails, I have been noticing more N62 cars popping up in scrap yards. There is 0% reason to drop $16-17k on a new engine for a 2005. You can almost have a used E70 for that. Just IMHO.

It is cut and dry. There is not much to it. Warranty is a contract. Contract is expired/fulfilled, and they are still going to make good with a new motor at no cost to you!? What will they make you pay?... The $50 cpo deductible.... As the others said it is a no brainer. Asking to have the complete motor cost toward a new vehicle...talk about biting the hand that feeds you! If your vehicle never failed you would continue to drive it, and your life would go on. So complaining that the vehicle is old and it isn't worth a new motor is absurd... Look how many people drive 15 year old junk cars because they can't drive a BMW. Be lucky BMW takes care of people that obviously do not understand how contracts work, and stand by their product. Just remember they could have told you to pound sand!

^^Couldn't agree more!

I think you need to change the title of the post from

BMW is going to replace engine ---misfiring issue
to
BMW is not going to replace engine ---misfiring issue

I miss something? The dealer and BMWNA withdraw their offer?

Dude, take the motor and run, period. They are honoring their warranty. Demanding that they give you the money instead is ridiculous.

Decided to go with the motor replacement offer as,apparently, dealer had already ordered one.


thanks everyone!

she is back with new motor and I think I am in love with it again....I did notice a squealing/screeching noise at idle. should I be concerned?

thanks

Did they take all the accessories of the old motor? (Usually they do.) If so, did they use your old tensioner pulleys? It sound like you have a pulley going south.

I dont see tensioner pulley listed in the parts they showed they replaced in the invoice...just sent an email to SA.

My audio from aftermarket avic z110 is also gone. not sure if this is just a coincidence or they blew some fuses...

they didnt change the tensioner pulleys. I am sure they must have been in good working condition otherwise dealer would have tried to push me towards replacing them just like they tried to sell me me bushings/axle repair for $2.5k

Get an automotive stethoscope and touch the pulley with the engine running. Be very carefull not to get tangled in the moving belt. But a squeaky pulley can be very obvious when the sound is magnified with the stethoscope.