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Naz24 07-11-2013 10:45 PM

Stupidity... Speakers, again
 
Ok, so many of you saw that i though my midrange was dead. well, i'm an idiot, my midbass is dead...

anyway, i ordered the wrong speakers, oh well, 20 bucks.

Heres why i'm now VERY confused. After going through looking at the speakers, i realize that the only mid bass that is actually working in my car is the front drivers. the rest of the mid bass speakers are DEAD. both rear doors, nothing. but the tweeter/midrange on the rear doors are functional

Also, my tweeter on the passenger side is spitting out nothing but static...

Could my amp be shot? Or could the connections be shot in the speakers? I'm at a loss... :dunno:

pnoyako85 07-11-2013 10:47 PM

yikes!

Lowblock 07-11-2013 10:49 PM

Not uncommon to be the amp. Tone the speakers at the wires of the amp and see if they will work, at that point you would know what the problem is.

Naz24 07-11-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowblock (Post 945851)
Not uncommon to be the amp. Tone the speakers at the wires of the amp and see if they will work, at that point you would know what the problem is.

What exactly do you mean? and where is the amp located?

Lowblock 07-11-2013 10:55 PM

take a 9 volt battery, attach two wires to the terminals and touch the two wires on the corresponding wires for each speaker. you will here a slight pop in the speaker. Or go to a stereo shop near you and have them tone the speakers with a tone generator. The amp is located D/S behind the panel to the rear, if you have a changer, or nav unit, its located in that area, look down and you will see the amp and connections. I assume you have DSP correct?

Naz24 07-11-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowblock (Post 945855)
take a 9 volt battery, attach two wires to the terminals and touch the two wires on the corresponding wires for each speaker. you will here a slight pop in the speaker. Or go to a stereo shop near you and have them tone the speakers with a tone generator. The amp is located D/S behind the panel to the rear, if you have a changer, or nav unit, its located in that area, look down and you will see the amp and connections. I assume you have DSP correct?

I do not have DSP...

I have a friend who can hook up a voltage meter to it. I'll have him do that

Lowblock 07-11-2013 10:59 PM

A voltage meter or DMM is not going to make the speakers do anything, however you can take an ohms reading at the wires and see if you have an open or what the reading is. I like toning the speakers because you can tell if the wires, and the speakers are ok.

Naz24 07-12-2013 08:38 AM

Ok I'll check that out.

Today while driving to work, my passenger mid bass popped on, sounded blown, then popped off. I'm thinking it may be the connections? Someone mentioned the connections going bad somewhere here. Any ideas?

Cisc0 07-12-2013 09:54 AM

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First and foremost, it is not your AMP. So rule that one out. I went through this same shit, going crazy thinking it was my AMP. Got a new AMP and problem was still there. Returned new AMP luckily and continued to fist pumping to no sound and sometimes fist pumping to Alvin and the Chipmunks because when all my door speakers went, I only had tweeters. Decided to take door panels off and check each speaker individually and viola. I eventually after finding out the problem upgraded to BSW and been banging ever since. I don't even need a sub with my BSW's.

Now on to the problem. The pics show you what the problem with our bullshit OE speaker are.

Ricky Bobby 07-12-2013 10:09 AM

Cisc0 thank you so much, I will try to help Naz out with this and bring back the fistpumping to Jersey's finest as quickly as I can. If my DSP speakers ever go I would definitely try the BSW Stage 1 speaker upgrade too, I'm sure they sound amazing.

Lowblock 07-12-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisc0 (Post 945942)
First and foremost, it is not your AMP. So rule that one out. I went through this same shit, going crazy thinking it was my AMP. Got a new AMP and problem was still there. Returned new AMP luckily and continued to fist pumping to no sound and sometimes fist pumping to Alvin and the Chipmunks because when all my door speakers went, I only had tweeters. Decided to take door panels off and check each speaker individually and viola. I eventually after finding out the problem upgraded to BSW and been banging ever since. I don't even need a sub with my BSW's.

Now on to the problem. The pics show you what the problem with our bullshit OE speaker are.


Absolutely not, your problem may have been fixed this way but you cannot say that his problem will be the same. Either way toning the speakers will alleviate if its at the speaker, or at the amp, this is the best way to diagnose this before you start tearing everything apart.

Cisc0 07-12-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowblock (Post 946053)
Absolutely not, your problem may have been fixed this way but you cannot say that his problem will be the same. Either way toning the speakers will alleviate if its at the speaker, or at the amp, this is the best way to diagnose this before you start tearing everything apart.


True... That was what worked for me and going by his description of his symptoms, I related to them because there all my symptoms. His might be different.

Ricky Bobby 07-12-2013 03:23 PM

I think you aren't far off Cisc0, can anyone chime in on what a bad amp characteristic would be? I would think an entire door or side of the car would go out if a channel of the amp was going, its been a while since I've really considered myself an audiophile though so my knowledge may be gray.

Naz here is a left door tweeter for 20 bucks, if you think you have a bad one you can get 2 used ones for 40, and just replace midbasses with BSW (I'd probably replace in pairs but that's me)

BMW E53 x5 Front Panel Loud Speaker Tweeter 3 0 4 4 4 6 8379369 | eBay


I know this is about the speakers but Naz said one of his tweeters is just buzzing around, so I'm thinking he might need replacement on that too.

Cisc0 07-12-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 946056)
I think you aren't far off Cisc0, can anyone chime in on what a bad amp characteristic would be? I would think an entire door or side of the car would go out if a channel of the amp was going, its been a while since I've really considered myself an audiophile though so my knowledge may be gray.

Naz here is a left door tweeter for 20 bucks, if you think you have a bad one you can get 2 used ones for 40, and just replace midbasses with BSW (I'd probably replace in pairs but that's me)

BMW E53 x5 Front Panel Loud Speaker Tweeter 3 0 4 4 4 6 8379369 | eBay


I know this is about the speakers but Naz said one of his tweeters is just buzzing around, so I'm thinking he might need replacement on that too.


If it was the AMP, an entire channel would have gone out. Being that Naz does not have DSP, his amp has 4 channels with DSP you have 5 due to Sub. One controls tweeters, one controls front Midbass, one rear midbass, One controls front dash and rear midranges. If a channel blows out its corresponding speakers are gone.

Ricky Bobby 07-12-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisc0 (Post 946061)
If it was the AMP, an entire channel would have gone out. Being that Naz does not have DSP, his amp has 4 channels with DSP you have 5 due to Sub. One controls tweeters, one controls front Midbass, one rear midbass, One controls front dash and rear midranges. If a channel blows out its corresponding speakers are gone.

Thank you Cisc0 that is what I was looking for, how the channels are set up with the amp. So technically Naz since you have 3 midbasses out and 1 tweeter out I'd say if you want to think its the amp you would have 1 channel out and 2 blown speakers lol!

I think Cisc0 is right in that the connections take a lot of vibrations and bumps over the years and are probably brittle, I would put my money on speakers still.

Lowblock 07-12-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisc0 (Post 946061)
If it was the AMP, an entire channel would have gone out. Being that Naz does not have DSP, his amp has 4 channels with DSP you have 5 due to Sub. One controls tweeters, one controls front Midbass, one rear midbass, One controls front dash and rear midranges. If a channel blows out its corresponding speakers are gone.

I don't think this is correct. Atleast on the DSP stuff I know that each individual speaker (channel) is ran directly from the amp, which means you could have a single speaker ( channel) bad. I would assume Non DSP would be the same, so basically a DSP amp is an 12 channel amp (2 sub channels) Again, toning the speaker will tell everybody whats going on.


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