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sethhatfield 11-06-2013 08:18 PM

Transfer Case is Toast
 
Well, I'm about to become an amateur transfer case technician. The thing needed a chain already (136,000 miles) but I've been gentle enough not to make it skip for a month or so. Today, after changing the back tires I realized the horrible road noise was actually the output shaft splines or the bearing perhaps. Either way the drive shaft can be twisted back and forth a bit without the output shaft moving. There is a clanking noise when I turn it also.

It sounds like a cash register opening which is appropriate since the parts are friggin' outrageous!

X5SND 11-06-2013 08:43 PM

Yikes! Keep us updated on your progress! Good luck!

BigLion 11-07-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sethhatfield (Post 962664)
It sounds like a cash register opening which is appropriate since the parts are friggin' outrageous!

I feel for you - I am coming to the conclusion that 100 K+ X5s are becoming 'enthusiast-only' cars, or as my friend from Finland put it, "a hobby that is also a mode of transportation"

- sometimes!

TiAgX5 11-07-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigLion (Post 962712)
I feel for you - I am coming to the conclusion that 100 K+ X5s are becoming 'enthusiast-only' cars, or as my friend from Finland put it, "a hobby that is also a mode of transportation"

- sometimes!

Good way to put it. After I finished installing new rotors/pads and refinished calipers last week the wife told me "you LIKE doing that stuff", I responded "I LIKE knowing it's done RIGHT!".

DSAviate 11-07-2013 10:00 AM

sethhatfield, how did you know you needed a chain already?

Since you say that you did, just curious if you have already changed your TC oil . . . if so . . . was there any metal in it?

I just changed mine and it was clean. Just thinking proactively here. I'd rather change a stretching chain in the TC before adding other TC parts and $ to the list.

Ricky Bobby 11-07-2013 10:46 AM

Do you have an X-drive transfer case or a pre-facelift NV125?


Year and engine of your X in your signature would help us if you need any assistance, I'm assuming you have a facelifted X because the Xdrive transfer cases and parts for it are quite a bit more expensive!

sethhatfield 11-10-2013 03:29 AM

It is a NV-125. Here are some pics of my progress.

seth's iphone 11-09-13 072 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

seth's iphone 11-09-13 091 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Dig the custom cats. They only cost $175 installed.

sethhatfield 11-10-2013 03:31 AM

You can see a close up of the forward drive shaft splines. Note that BMW thought the way too short drive shaft would be just fine on a 4500 lb SUV with 350 ft/lbs of torque.

Gregory891 11-10-2013 04:24 AM

sethhatfield - I assume you've then found the Cobra Transmission guys in South Florida. They sell all of the parts you need for the NV125 including magnetic drain and fill plugs that BMW didn't tell the OEM mfr to add. They also sell the extended spline parts.

When you put it together, fill it with Redline ATF (better) or MTL (best). Magnetic drain plugs from Cobra (better) or Dimple (best). Then it's smooth sailing from then on.

Ricky Bobby 11-10-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregory891 (Post 963077)
sethhatfield - I assume you've then found the Cobra Transmission guys in South Florida. They sell all of the parts you need for the NV125 including magnetic drain and fill plugs that BMW didn't tell the OEM mfr to add. They also sell the extended spline parts.

When you put it together, fill it with Redline ATF (better) or MTL (best). Magnetic drain plugs from Cobra (better) or Dimple (best). Then it's smooth sailing from then on.


x2 listen to Gregory on this, thankfully Cobra Trans knows the NV125 well and can help you get it running again in good shape!

srmmmm 11-11-2013 01:36 PM

Glad you found those worn splines before you encountered a "no-go" situation. Mine was not pleasant and ruined a perfectly good day of bringing a new PWC home. They don't hold up well on the 3.0 engine either!

2002 X5 3.0 243,000 miles
2004 325i 108,000 miles

sethhatfield 11-13-2013 04:29 PM

Here are some links to pics of the removal and disassembly. The aft bearing is noisy so it is on order from Cobra.
image | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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J.Belknap 11-13-2013 05:43 PM

If it's not too much trouble a parts list and cost breakdown would be appreciated!

sethhatfield 11-13-2013 08:49 PM

So far I've needed:

front shaft $600+
front rag joint $120
output shaft bearing $30
chain $80

I had to buy a 3 jaw puller, though I could have rented one from Autozone.

civdiv99 11-13-2013 11:57 PM

Which part did ya chuck at the airplane. :D


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Originally Posted by sethhatfield (Post 963074)
You can see a close up of the forward drive shaft splines. Note that BMW thought the way too short drive shaft would be just fine on a 4500 lb SUV with 350 ft/lbs of torque.


J.Belknap 11-14-2013 08:25 PM

Thanks Seth. Good luck with the rest.

TiAgX5 11-20-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 963098)
x2 listen to Gregory on this, thankfully Cobra Trans knows the NV125 well and can help you get it running again in good shape!

+1 on Cobra Trans. If you check e-bay they usually have rebuild kits at a discount.

sethhatfield 11-22-2013 05:51 PM

Here is the latest. Assembled the case. You cannot do this without a three jaw puller in my opinion! An impact wrench is definitely necessary too.
transfer case 002 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
transfer case 001 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

sedc 11-24-2013 01:17 AM

Nice work.

I have almost 40k on the CT chain replacement job I did in '11 on my (then new to me) '03, it's a solid part so far. That was after driving the X 500 miles home from buying it without a drop of oil in the tcase (unbeknownst to me). Mine needed only a chain and a lot of cleaning, the rest of that case is bulletproof.

I threw spacers on the front driveshaft at the same time (and lubricated the heck out of the splines) to help prevent that awful driveshaft wear.

sethhatfield 11-27-2013 04:37 PM

Well I got it all put back together after a little setback. The new longer driveshaft is about a 1/4 inch too long to install if the transfer case is installed onto the transmission. I jacked with it for awhile and finally cut a 1/4 inch off the new shaft. It is still over an inch longer than the original and works fine.

I drove it around and flogged it pretty hard and the popping is gone!

There is still a whurring noise coming from somewhere up front. I have no idea where. It sounds like it could be coming from the front differential or something.

X5SND 11-27-2013 07:35 PM

Bit of a tangent....Seth what kind of cat's are you using? No CEL's?

sethhatfield 11-27-2013 08:31 PM

They are plain jane standard universal cats. No service engine lights. I'm very pleased with them. $175 total expense

srmmmm 11-28-2013 12:02 AM

Seth - what did you cut the end of the driveshaft with? That must have taken some time.

2002 X5 244,000 miles
2004 325i 109,000 miles

sethhatfield 11-28-2013 12:08 AM

I used a big cutting wheel on a grinder. It took about 3 minutes maybe.

sethhatfield 11-28-2013 12:13 AM

image | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

sethhatfield 11-28-2013 12:20 AM

I ordered a rebuilt drivers side CV axle from Rockauto.com. I'm pretty certain it is worn out. The boot has been shredded for awhile and I had the wife move the steering wheel back and forth while I looked. It definitely moved around too much.

Rockauto doesn't have everything for these vehicles but what they do have comes right away. They already sent me a shipped confirmation after a couple of hours.

srmmmm 11-28-2013 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sethhatfield (Post 966705)
I used a big cutting wheel on a grinder. It took about 3 minutes maybe.

I hope you kept it cool with frequent water quenches. Any reddenning from the heat of the wheel would have softened the steel up nicely.

2002 X5 3.0 244,000 miles
2004 325i 109,000 miles

J.Belknap 11-28-2013 11:07 AM

Good job. Thanks for the detailed posts!


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