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Originally Posted by BIMMER_BLUEBLOOD (Post 986413)

Jurid is the name of the company that produces pad for BMW if im not mistaken.. to save money, buy directly from Jurid. they are alot cheaper for the same product.

Not the same product. Just same manufacturer

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Originally Posted by Sarek (Post 986401)

Bmw is pretty proud of their brakes and suspension.. the brakes perform extremely well with all driving styles and situations. Stop on a dime. And don't vibrate or make noise from my experience.

Porsche is very proud of their brakes but produce nowhere near as much dust as BMW and Mercedes.

I have Akebono Euros on my E34. No dust but very disappointed with bite and feel.

BMW is finally listening to customer since new models don't produce as bad of brakes dust as previous models...

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Originally Posted by admranger (Post 986505)

Spot on as usual. All brake pads are designed to specific requirements. BMW's requirements (needs) aren't the same as mine for brake pads.

Using Sarek's logic regarding comparing the engineers at BMW to other people's opinions further throughout the vehicle would indicate, for example, that a full Ohlins (or Motion Control, JRZ, etc.) strut/shock/suspension on an M3 is inferior to the stock M3 suspension because they don't have the same compression and rebound curves. Pure hogwash.

Sarek's logic is correct that you *could* choose an inferior product and make things worse. I have made things worse (in my zeal to get rid of brake dust) with my choice of Akebono Euro ceramic pads front/rear. Agree with TiAgX5 on the characteristics of the Akebono's.

Where the logic fails is that it doesn't account for the fact that you could choose a better product that meets your requirements, not BMWs. Forums like this allow us to gain knowledge on from other people's experiences with other than OE components.

As far as rotors, I like PFC direct drive rotors, but they don't make them for our X5's. They also don't make pads for the F&R of my 2005 4.4i. It makes me sad. :(

Different strokes for different folks. Kind of like the guy doing the off-road build. He's not using stock BMW parts. :stickpoke :D

I agree that if you want to put the vehicle on the track there are better brakes that can be used to get better performance. I installed a set of brembo dual piston calipers with floating cross drilled rotors (big $$) on an e39 m5 back in 2001. He had them special ordered . I will tell you that they stopped much better than the stock brakes when they warmed up. No heavy brake dust either. However they were terribly noisy. Heavy roar when slowing down. Brake squeal with light braking. Just horrible around town. But when it hit the track......wow. what a difference. My point is that usually when you step away from stock, usually there is a compromise. Usually noise or vibration. Most people drive moderately and want quiet smooth good stopping power which original brakes provide. Never claimed them to be the best, just best all around. Just my opinion.

As far as my off road project goes. It is a off road only vehicle now. Similar to the race car situation . I am not worried about comfort ect. I make huge sacrifices when I modify from stock. I am not improving what was designed, just modifying to make it much more capable off road. It is not even close to a daily driver. But I still run bmw original brake pads.

In my view the only combination we have enough information about to get close to knowing for sure of the overall performance is the OE combination. We have BMW claims and the findings of testing/reviews from the likes of Motortrend etc.

Track times would help to verify other combinations but that would be for X5s tracked. For the most part those results won't transfer to daily driving.

I am pretty sure I am not the only one that first and foremost wanted less brake dust than OE.

I also wanted the look of a slotted and drilled rotor even though I am aware what many think of them. And, I wanted pads that were supposed to stop in a shorter distance than OE.

The only thing I am sure of is there is less initial bite which I like as OE pads were too sensitive for my preference for daily driving, there is close to no dust--yippie-- and they stop well enough to set off the ABS system when I slam on the brakes. Once the ABS system kicks in it won't matter what combination I have as I have reached maximum capability of the rest of the many existing variables.

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Originally Posted by Sarek (Post 986401)

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the one (and usually the only) complaint about bmw original pads is dust. Some people don't like the price or that the brakes don't last long enough. I am sure that the aftermarket is capable of making brakes that are acceptable on BMW's. Do they? Its a pretty expensive gamble if they warp or glaze over because the pad compound is too hard. I would get good OEM rotors like textar or brembo to save some money, but get the original bmw pads and just clean your wheels. Why do you think that bmw doesn't address the dust issue. People complain all the time. I guess the team of engineers that design the brake systems need some help from the "testing" people at Bavarian autosport.

Again...I am not saying that the cool carbon or other brands are not OK. Just skeptical I guess. Bmw is pretty proud of their brakes and suspension.. the brakes perform extremely well with all driving styles and situations. Stop on a dime. And don't vibrate or make noise from my experience.

BMW brake engineers may want to hear what Sabrine Schmitz had to say about their "peoples only complaint is dust" OE brakes. This person drives the BMW "'ring taxis" (takes paying customers around the Nurburgring in BMW vehicles).

In the Top Gear episode where the 911 and ///M6 were track tested, she stated "I've NEVER driven a stock BMW, ///M cars included, with proper brakes, a soft pedal and excessive fade is HARDLY reassuring"

Big words from someone who drives the best BMW products for a living!

Sabine doesn't drive for BMW anymore, actually, since 2011.

BMW's target customer doesn't drive on the track, so they don't put track pads on their cars. The pads you do get will give you excellent stops from freeway speeds without having to warm them up first and with consistent pedal feel, no noise, and no vibration.

Anyone that drives their BMW on the track understands going into it that the stock pads suck for anything more than a few laps and are willing to invest in track pads. Same goes for the stock tires. They are never the grippiest tire, especially the runflats on the non-M cars, but they have generally been picked to offer good ride quality, low noise, and decent grip. For the 375,000 BMW's sold in the US last year, how many of those do you think will ever see the track as a new car? 1% at the high end? There isn't any reason for BMW to change their brake formula when they are already some of the best 'street' brakes on the market.