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ProfessorX5 04-24-2014 09:17 PM

Oil plug broke, grr
 
Well, apparently it had a crack in it from the last oil change when I let the idiots at Mr. Lube change my oil. It was a bear to take off, and apparently it clean broke when I went to tighten it. Going to have to re-tap it. :( Any tips?

Ricky Bobby 04-24-2014 09:33 PM

That blows. If you couldn't drill it out and the threads on the pan are shot, it would bother my OCD so much I'd just put a new pan on the car

beamertruck 04-24-2014 09:49 PM

Tap and die my friend, some Amsoil (not really just wanna see who throws a sissy fit). Honestly if you dont want to bother with it until your next OC, RTV the plug (you could use threadlocker but itll be one helluva party gettin it off) and cover the sh*t out of it with aluminium tape or gorilla tape. Teflon tape might work as well.

Kristophe 04-24-2014 10:47 PM

The oil plug is hollow so if and when if breaks you can insert a hex head socket and lefty loosy it off. Mine broke last oil change.

BMWX5CHI 04-24-2014 10:49 PM

[QUOTE=beamertruck;991701]Tap and die my friend, some Amsoil (not really just wanna see who throws a sissy fit).:rofl:

mrbmwx5 04-24-2014 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristophe (Post 991707)
The oil plug is hollow so if and when if breaks you can insert a hex head socket and lefty loosy it off. Mine broke last oil change.

Bingo .. Mine broke 7 years ago..
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admranger 04-25-2014 01:19 AM

I just bought a couple of new ones. One to put in at this oil change. One as a spare.

ProfessorX5 04-25-2014 05:42 AM

Managed to get the sucker out. Tapped, and put in a new bolt. Took an hour to get the hood open to refill the oil, but still waiting for the new cable, which should get here today. So that, and the rear hatch actuator are next, then the PS reservoir.

Pierce330 04-25-2014 07:43 AM

Lesson learned, do not take your car to Mr. Lube...

upallnight 04-25-2014 08:32 AM

Life time oil same as life time ATF.

BigBlack48is 04-25-2014 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beamertruck (Post 991701)
Tap and die my friend, some Amsoil (not really just wanna see who throws a sissy fit).

Your like a small child... we just ignore you now

Riggodeaux 04-25-2014 09:25 AM

This is one reason I'm a fan of brass Fumoto drain valves. One going in with my next oil change. Reminds me to pick one up ......

Ricky Bobby 04-25-2014 09:29 AM

I'll be getting one of these on next oil change, just bought one for my Triumph:

NEW, Special magnetic drain plugs for all BMW automobiles

http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/images/600_IMG_1875.JPG

Riggodeaux 04-25-2014 09:40 AM

Since I had UUC do my first oil change while installing the SSK, I haven't looked - on the M54 3.0L, is the drain plug recessed? Need to know so I get an adaptor to install the Fumoto .....

beamertruck 04-25-2014 09:42 AM

Agreed on the whole quikie lube places. I have a lubepros by my house that i go to only because I know the owner and the guys there are all honest and do an awesome job (hes also a custome so i that also has a bit to do with it :P)

Ricky Bobby 04-25-2014 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riggodeaux (Post 991740)
Since I had UUC do my first oil change while installing the SSK, I haven't looked - on the M54 3.0L, is the drain plug recessed? Need to know so I get an adaptor to install the Fumoto .....

Well the plug faces the passenger side wheel I can tell you that, here is a slightly blurry pic, but you get the idea:

http://www.xoutpost.com/images/artic...hange%2024.jpg

beamertruck 04-25-2014 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlack48is (Post 991737)
Your like a small child... we just ignore you now

Right on bud, it just entertains me when somebody goes off "he suggested Amsoil, the product he sells, he needs to be banned!" seriously though stay on topic. ProfessorX5 if you do go for a quick oil change, try to go to a tire shop the guys there usually do a better job.

X5SND 04-25-2014 09:50 AM

Yeah definitely stay away from any and all "quick lube" joints if you care about your vehicle at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlack48is (Post 991737)
Your like a small child... we just ignore you now

:bustingup Awesome!

beamertruck 04-25-2014 09:54 AM

Agreed, though there are some good places out there, the small mom and pop shops usually will do a good job, and if its a franchise then it depends on the franchisee. Like i said the Lubepros by me is pretty good, owners real honest and the guys workin there actually know their stuff.

Qsilver7 04-25-2014 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riggodeaux (Post 991738)
...I'm a fan of brass Fumoto drain valves. One going in with my next oil change. Reminds me to pick one up ......

I've considered this before...but have just sat on the fence...but will wish I had gone ahead and installed this mod if I ever get in the predicament where the bolt head breaks off or the plug won't come out for some reason. :dunno:

And I really don't worry about the Fumoto on the e38 since the drain bolt is protected by the little drop down access door...but on the e53...the plug is kind of exposed...so I worry about running over something and it getting caught on the release valve...then all of my oil drains from the engine! :yikes:

Just an FYI for those not familiar with the Fumoto drain valve...see info below:
Install this valve and you can drain your engine oil without tools and without mess. Just lift the lever of this solid brass ball valve and give it a quarter turn to open it. Return the lever to its original position and it locks closed, double sealed to prevent leakage. The Engine Oil Drain Valve is made of corrosion resistant forged brass and stainless steel. The ball valve design provides a straight flow for efficient drainage and a perfect seal when closed. Frozen drain plug and stripped threads are eliminated forever.

Riggodeaux 04-25-2014 11:56 AM

I have installed Fumotos on Ford 7.3L diesel trucks [2], very valuable there because of the frequency of changes [with dino oil, usually Rotella] and volume [nearly 16 qts] of oil. This is why I asked whether the drain plug on our 3.0L M54s is inset [and on the side?], if inset, I'll need the adapter. I can't remember what it was on my E36 6, where I never installed a Fumoto. Its a well made and very handy device if you change your own.

jsoto 04-25-2014 11:59 AM

The Fumoto WILL NOT work. At least for me , it did not, The length of it kept on hitting the reinforcement plate if I recall. I still have the one I ordered with no success somewhere in my stash

beamertruck 04-25-2014 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riggodeaux (Post 991755)
I have installed Fumotos on Ford 7.3L diesel trucks [2], very valuable there because of the frequency of changes [with dino oil, usually Rotella] and volume [nearly 16 qts] of oil. This is why I asked whether the drain plug on our 3.0L M54s is inset [and on the side?], if inset, I'll need the adapter. I can't remember what it was on my E36 6, where I never installed a Fumoto. Its a well made and very handy device if you change your own.

Back at the diesel performance shop i worked at we used to sell the Fumotos like they were going out of business. Theyre definatly handy, never used one myself but may be worthwhile.

bcredliner 04-25-2014 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beamertruck (Post 991743)
Right on bud, it just entertains me when somebody goes off "he suggested Amsoil, the product he sells, he needs to be banned!" seriously though stay on topic. ProfessorX5 if you do go for a quick oil change, try to go to a tire shop the guys there usually do a better job.

I think you misunderstand. So far there hasn't been real anger though I am at the point of disgust which is getting close.

My message to you---I think you can easily be far more respectful of the forum and the members, of yourself and the products you represent. I would like you to seriously consider the input that your approach, even if within the forum guidelines, may be seriously flawed.

Yes, my comments are always off topic simply because there is never a time it will be the topic of a thread as that would not be fair to you. Any time I have responded to you or a post of yours it has been done reluctantly and accepting it is shame on both of us.

I have said all I have to say and more than I should have said. I will leave it in the hands of the moderators. I apologize to any OP that has been offended by either of us. And apologize to anything that has offended you.

I would be happy to accept your friend request if it can be done with mutual respect.

Qsilver7 04-25-2014 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsoto (Post 991756)
The Fumoto WILL NOT work. At least for me , it did not, The length of it kept on hitting the reinforcement plate if I recall. I still have the one I ordered with no success somewhere in my stash

Which e53 X5 do you have 3.0/4.4/4.6/4.8? For my 06 4.4...Fumoto recommends the ADP-109 adapter due to the recess of the oil pan/bolt area.

beamertruck 04-25-2014 12:34 PM

Bcredliner, i appreciate the appology, i really dont mean disrespect there just seemed to be alot of confusion regarding my intentions. I am here to try to help as much as i can and support the forums, but i do run a business and if i recommend a product it is because i believe it may help, depending on the issue MAYBE fix it. Im sorry as well, not here to make any enemies, just make some friends and hopefully get some business as well. Also if there was any point where it seemed as if i was bashing you or discrediting your advice and input, that was not my intention. You have been around BMWs longer then i have, same with JCL, RB etc so all of your advice and input is definatly valued. I would like to be friends, and dont get me wrong i do respect you and others here on the forums. Everyone here is very helpful and i know il be counting on advise from everyone here if i have any issues with my X.

Ricky Bobby 04-25-2014 04:18 PM

Who the hell pays some jockey to change their oil for them anyway? It's so simple, paying a guy for a drain, fill, and filter change seems so feminine to me

Ricky Bobby 04-25-2014 04:20 PM

Riggo I posted the pic of the oil pan you will need the fumoto adapter on our cars

bcredliner 04-25-2014 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 991812)
Who the hell pays some jockey to change their oil for them anyway? It's so simple, paying a guy for a drain, fill, and filter change seems so feminine to me

I have done it many times--that's what I want recognition! Kiss kiss

Qsilver7 04-25-2014 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 991812)
Who the hell pays some jockey to change their oil for them anyway? It's so simple, paying a guy for a drain, fill, and filter change seems so feminine to me

First, let me say that I agree with you as to the simplicity of changing the oil yourself (with the N62 being slightly less simple with the oil filter being underneath the vehicle)...then there's the satisfaction that comes from doing it yourself...knowing that the O-rings, drain plug and filter/reservoir lid is torqued correctly...and we can't forget the cost savings, too. :)

But some owners aren't as lucky as having the tools and/or space to safely perform an oil change. If you live in an urban environment and you're relegated to having to find a parking spot somewhere on your block...or live in an apartment complex and have no storage space for oil changing equipment or safe space to elevate the car and change the oil without other residents running over you legs while you're underneath the vehicle...one may find that its just best to take it to a vendor that changes oil...even though the procedure is simple.

For the reasons above (and a few more)...I wouldn't snatch a guy's "man card". :D

TiAgX5 04-25-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 991812)
Who the hell pays some jockey to change their oil for them anyway? It's so simple, paying a guy for a drain, fill, and filter change seems so feminine to me

When I asked this question on the E70 forum it was answered....."my time is too valuable".

Seems foolish, seeing there's value in knowing it's done right, and the damage "Iffy Lube techs" can wreak! :dunno:

FWIW, I installed a Fumoto valve about 80k miles ago, works great.

Riggodeaux 04-25-2014 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 991813)
Riggo I posted the pic of the oil pan you will need the fumoto adapter on our cars

Posted where? If inset I'll need the adapter, just want to make sure if I get the nipple version [preferred ;)], it won't be obstructed.

admranger 04-25-2014 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qsilver7 (Post 991754)
I've considered this before...but have just sat on the fence...but will wish I had gone ahead and installed this mod if I ever get in the predicament where the bolt head breaks off or the plug won't come out for some reason. :dunno:

And I really don't worry about the Fumoto on the e38 since the drain bolt is protected by the little drop down access door...but on the e53...the plug is kind of exposed...so I worry about running over something and it getting caught on the release valve...then all of my oil drains from the engine! :yikes:

Just an FYI for those not familiar with the Fumoto drain valve...see info below:
Install this valve and you can drain your engine oil without tools and without mess. Just lift the lever of this solid brass ball valve and give it a quarter turn to open it. Return the lever to its original position and it locks closed, double sealed to prevent leakage. The Engine Oil Drain Valve is made of corrosion resistant forged brass and stainless steel. The ball valve design provides a straight flow for efficient drainage and a perfect seal when closed. Frozen drain plug and stripped threads are eliminated forever.

They make at least one model that has a 'safety' clip on it for the guys who drive their trucks in corn fields and rough brush areas. Apparently, corn stalks can catch the valve and have enough strength to release it.

JCL 04-25-2014 06:48 PM

So "real men" change their own oil? What a load of BS

Real men (and women) respect the choices that others make.

Yes, I like working on my own vehicles. But I also live in a condo now and vehicle work involving draining fluids is not permitted. The shop I have access to is an hour away. I had my last oil service done for me locally. OE fluids and filter, torque wrench to prevent over tightening, full inspection.

beamertruck 04-25-2014 07:51 PM

Ya i agree with JCL I do all my own work, but il sometimes have my oil changed as it saves me time and the trouble of having to dispose off all the oil.

Ricky Bobby 04-26-2014 09:26 AM

I'm just breaking balls guys

I just get tired of reading the "shop messed xxxxxx up when changing my oil, dealer blew my engine when changing my oil after overfilling, etc" threads which just brings me to the notion that either DIY or face the consequences as not many people care to do things as properly as us owners do.

And there was a time just 2 years ago where I didn't own my own house and shared a common parking lot in my condo complex. What did I do for the previous 8 years when I needed to do an oil change or other maintenance on my cars?

Visited my parents and did some work around their house in exchange for using the garage as my work shop, or if they weren't around, friends, family members, forum buddies etc. There's a lot of reasons and ways you can find a way to DIY even if you do live in an apt complex etc, there's always someone willing to help.

Qsilver7 04-26-2014 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 991820)
FWIW, I installed a Fumoto valve about 80k miles ago, works great.

So, the M62TU doesn't require the adapter?

Quote:

Originally Posted by admranger
They make at least one model that has a 'safety' clip on it for the guys who drive their trucks in corn fields and rough brush areas.

Thanks...I did see (after surfing Fumoto's website) the (black) clip they sell for off road environment....as well as the option to use a locking clip. :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Riggodeaux
If inset I'll need the adapter, just want to make sure if I get the nipple version [preferred ;)], it won't be obstructed.

You may want to go to Fumoto's website and input your model's info...they give recommendations for which valve works best...and they also recommend if you may need the adapter or if the "nipple" version works. They also now have valves with a short or long nipple, long & short adapters, 90° plastic elbows that can be used with the valves with nipples & other options. :)
Fumoto Valve | Qwik Valve™

TiAgX5 04-26-2014 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qsilver7 (Post 991897)
So, the M62TU doesn't require the adapter?.......


All BMWs with oil drain plugs recessed into the oil pan counter-bore require the ADP-109 adapter. That's means all BMWs produced from '81 on.

StephenVA 04-26-2014 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 991812)
Who the hell pays some jockey to change their oil for them anyway? It's so simple, paying a guy for a drain, fill, and filter change seems so feminine to me

:iagree:

(You are Exempt only if you are unable to do it due to a physical injury, live in a condo, have no tools, Winter ends in your town around July and starts again in August, you never change oil as you believe that using dino oil will kill mother earth, OR your wife/girl friend/mom does it for you). I am sure others will have other unique additions for a pass on this bonding experience with your car.

SOLUTION: Most BMW Car Clubs have a DIY day each monthly at a local Indy shop/BMW Dealership, for members to meet others with the BMW bug to complete this simple task. You will get the chance to join others who can offer suggestions, provide a helping hand or leg, offer tools, provide insight, and a great chance to get your X up on a lift to see everything under the vehicle. Join and take advantage of this opportunity. Especially if your car knowledge is just begining to form.

The National Capital club meets all around the beltway to allow everyone to join in. A few years ago I cleaned out my tool closet and brought 100 Champion Spark Plug gaping tools, rubber plug starting tools, and 75 plug sockets to one of these events. I gained some room and BMW owners put them to use the same day. Priceless. Now, anyone want some Formula One plugs, Model T plugs, or some Chevy small block race plugs?

This posting should keep this alive for awhile. :popcorn:

hd2000fxdl 04-26-2014 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qsilver7 (Post 991754)
I've considered this before...but have just sat on the fence...but will wish I had gone ahead and installed this mod if I ever get in the predicament where the bolt head breaks off or the plug won't come out for some reason. :dunno:

And I really don't worry about the Fumoto on the e38 since the drain bolt is protected by the little drop down access door...but on the e53...the plug is kind of exposed...so I worry about running over something and it getting caught on the release valve...then all of my oil drains from the engine! :yikes:

Just an FYI for those not familiar with the Fumoto drain valve...see info below:
Install this valve and you can drain your engine oil without tools and without mess. Just lift the lever of this solid brass ball valve and give it a quarter turn to open it. Return the lever to its original position and it locks closed, double sealed to prevent leakage. The Engine Oil Drain Valve is made of corrosion resistant forged brass and stainless steel. The ball valve design provides a straight flow for efficient drainage and a perfect seal when closed. Frozen drain plug and stripped threads are eliminated forever.








I really like these, but also have the same concer that on some applications that are a little too exposed, for those that arn't this is right up there with sliced bread. The only thing I'd like to see is an adapter to route a hose so I could direct the flow to where I wanted, I have 1 velicle that has a cover I have to take off and to put a hose on it would be very helpful and I could just make an access panel to get to it being I do 99% of the work on all my vehicles.

Harry

hd2000fxdl 04-26-2014 08:26 PM

Well scrap all that, I just read Qsilver7's responce and see thay have an option like I wanted,, nice,, more money spent today on the bimmer..
Harry

beamertruck 04-26-2014 09:54 PM

I agree with changing your own oil, its better but sometimes just not possible. Im usually too busy with school and work that I just get my buddy at lubepros to take care of something as simple as an oil change. Sometimes it just isn't worth my time.

ProfessorX5 04-29-2014 12:38 AM

LOL, some of the posts have been pretty funny. I was reluctant to let someone else do the oil change, but it was winter and there was no way I was lying down under the car in -20C. :P

FYI I never mind off-topic stuff, it keeps things interesting...

BTW, anyone have any ideas for getting the oil out of the stiffening plate? I don't want to take it off if I can help it, but it's going to drop forever if I don't clean it. Might just piss off the folks at the self serve car wash and stick the pressure washer in there. :P

Qsilver7 04-29-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hd2000fxdl (Post 991945)
Well scrap all that, I just read Qsilver7's responce and see thay have an option like I wanted,, nice,, more money spent today on the bimmer..
Harry

...after browsing their website...it looks like Fumoto has come up with a solution for just about every question a vehicle owner would have as to how best to use their product. Gotta give it up to them for supplying the demand. :thumbup:

They have short/tall adapters, valves w/short or long nipples, tubes & connectors for tubes to prevent leaks while draining, 90° elbows to direct tubes to where you want the oil to flow, and clamps to prevent accidental release of the drain lever. :D

ProfessorX5 04-29-2014 10:12 AM

Hmm, too bad I had to tap it. Fumoto is probably not an option now. :( Will def get one for my next X.

squidzilla 05-01-2014 01:25 AM

That Fumoto looks like a must buy for me and my 4 cars. Granted the beater 98 Passat turbo wagon has been getting the 20.00 Pep Boys oil change.

Oil changes add up real fast for 4 cars and I am wanting to save some money by doing it myself. This site is so awesome.

I was going to buy an oil extractor but have not felt good about any of the options in regards to the longevity. So this is the way to go.

ProfessorX5 05-01-2014 10:14 AM

I am definitely getting a fumoto for my next X. 3.0d is so hard to find here, though.

jsoto 08-30-2015 07:03 PM

I have had the fumoto sitting in the back of my tool chest for years...as it never fit right.....when I originally put it on. I ordered the extra adapter in this post and did a OCI today, so good timing to try the Fumoto again. No dice.

The damm buffer....where the handle area is hits the oil pan and won't allow it to rotate/turn in to tighten proper

ProfessorX5 08-31-2015 02:26 PM

Well, that sucks... :rolleyes:

kvc 08-31-2015 04:47 PM

Has anyone successfully installed a Fumoto drain valve in an N62? If so, which model and did you need an adaptor?


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