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four.8is 07-31-2014 10:43 PM

Magic spark plug??
 
BMW Spark Plug (550i 650i 750i 750Li X5) - Bosch FR7KPP332 | FCP Euro

Sorry I just had to post this...:)

kwalk 08-01-2014 01:05 AM

Wowsers!

Ricky Bobby 08-01-2014 06:58 AM

I need 6 for my M54

g300d 08-01-2014 07:18 AM

Imagine what those would cost at the stealer!

BigBlack48is 08-01-2014 08:40 AM

Horry sheet!!!

cn90 08-01-2014 09:34 AM

I use NGK Iridium single prong spark plugs in my E39 and X5. DIY is below.
Fantastic spark plugs:

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...m-bkr6eix.html

StephenVA 08-01-2014 09:56 AM

I need to order this set right now. Gee, I wonder if Amex will provide extra points on my account for set of eight?

cn90 08-01-2014 10:22 AM

The NGK Iridium you can get it locally (Advance Auto, OReilly etc.) for $7/each.
Online is not cheaper.

I have had this NGK Iridium now for a few years in my E39, smooth as silk.
Fuel mileage is excellent.

Ricky Bobby 08-01-2014 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cn90 (Post 1003536)
The NGK Iridium you can get it locally (Advance Auto, OReilly etc.) for $7/each.
Online is not cheaper.

I have had this NGK Iridium now for a few years in my E39, smooth as silk.
Fuel mileage is excellent.


:iagree: I replaced my original plugs at 71k last year with the same NGK iridium plugs and very happy with them

tmv 08-01-2014 11:05 AM

Got the Iridium IX on my iS too.

jgold47 08-01-2014 11:17 AM

They fixed it...booo :(

FYI -

I ran the NGK iridiums.

7-8K miles

Got antsy and swapped back in new 4 prongs.

Made it about 500 miles before I put the iridiums back in.

cn90 08-01-2014 11:29 AM

Once you put the NGK Iridium in, you don't ever want to go back to the Bosch 4-prong thingy...

TiAgX5 08-01-2014 12:14 PM

Why not use a multi-electrode plug?

Multi-electrode plugs reduce the percentage of misfires by using surface gap technology (longer spark path) & multi spark paths. Due to less then perfect fuel/air mixtures (lean/rich areas in the combustion chamber) a single gap plug allows for more power strokes without ignition. From what I've read, single electrode plug fired gasoline engines have unignited power strokes of 4% to 5%, 4 electrode plugs reduce that to around 1%. They also require less voltage to fire due to surface gaps (the spark jumps across the insulator surface where there is lower resistance.

An additional downside to single electrode plugs (when in central position of the combustion chamber, BMW motors) is the fact that the protuding electrode blocks the flame kernel path to the center of the piston, reducing power/fuel economy.

With plugs positioned to the side of piston center, a common practice is to index the plug, to face the flame kernel path at the center of the piston face. HP/TQ gains of 2% to 3% on dyno tests after spark plug indexing are common.

QUOTE>>>>"Spark plug manufacturers have succeeded in extending the life of spark plugs and fouling resistance by going to high-temperature electrodes made out of platinum, iridium and other exotic metals. Platinum is one of the best conductors of heat and electricity. It also resists chemical corrosion and electrical erosion much better than ordinary steel alloys, making it an ideal material for the electrodes in long-life spark plugs. Iridium is even better. Iridium is six times harder and eight times stronger than platinum. This allows the use of a smaller center electrode, which reduces the voltage required to fire the plug by as much as 5,000 volts compared to a standard spark plug.
Spark plug manufacturers also use a variety of different electrode configurations to reduce misfires by exposing more of the spark and flame kernel to the fuel mixture inside the combustion chamber. Extended electrodes, surface gap electrodes, multiple electrodes and specially-shaped outer electrodes are all different techniques that are used to improve ignition performance and reliability."

AND

"One way to reduce misfires under load and improve ignition reliability is to expose more of the spark to the air/fuel mixture. Standard electrodes tend to shield the spark somewhat and can actually quench the initial flame kernel under some operating conditions. To open up the spark, some spark plug manufacturers split the tip of their outer electrodes."

Here.....

Questioning Misfires | Tomorrows Technician

Bosch Platinium Iridium Fusion 4 electrode plugs are about $5 each. Just installed a set a few weeks ago........

BoschLive - Archive

cn90 08-01-2014 12:58 PM

Once you use NGK Iridium plug, you don't look back at the Bosch 4-prong thingy.
Never.

TiAgX5 08-01-2014 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cn90 (Post 1003564)
Once you use NGK Iridium plug, you don't look back at the Bosch 4-prong thingy.
Never.

Again, why?

rayxi 08-01-2014 02:41 PM

I'd be wary of any anecdotal evidence that one plug is better than another. Most people change their plugs because the old ones need changing. Of course the engine will run better. The engine would run better with new plugs of the same type as the old ones.

TiAgX5 quoted differences in the <2% range. I doubt that anyone would be able to feel the difference or notice a change in fuel consumption in normal driving.

admranger 08-01-2014 09:24 PM

I used Iridium's when I raced, and yes, I indexed them. Good plugs.

I forgot to look for them when I put new plugs in the X5. I put in the bmw quad electrode ones replacing single electrode plugs and my mileage has dropped by 1 mpg or so (small sample statistics, I know)...

four.8is 08-02-2014 01:12 AM

Multi-Electrode Spark Plugs: A Leap of Faith? | FCP Euro

electricalserv x5 08-02-2014 06:49 AM

I installed the OEM and they cost $22 apiece , end no magic.

TiAgX5 08-02-2014 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by four.8is (Post 1003644)

Read the "comments" on this link.

cn90 08-02-2014 12:32 PM

Quad electrode: I measure the distance between the electrode and the tip of the prong. It is always more than 0.042". In theory, the quad sounds great, in reality, spark can only jump to one prong. IMHO, 0.042" is too much of a gap.

I learned the Iridium lesson from my 2007 Honda Odyssey van, which came from factory with NGK Iridium. At 65K, it looks like new, gap was still within spec. I was sold.

Then I started doing research for my E39, put NGK Iridium (gap 0.028") a few years ago, engine smooth like silk, no hiccups.

Ditto for my X5, smooth, fuel mileage is better than the quad thingy that I threw away.

The best bang for the bucks is, IMHO, NGK Iridium $7/each. Better than BMW dealer pricing!

TiAgX5 08-02-2014 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cn90 (Post 1003678)
Quad electrode: I measure the distance between the electrode and the tip of the prong. It is always more than 0.042". In theory, the quad sounds great, in reality, spark can only jump to one prong. IMHO, 0.042" is too much of a gap...........


.......Then I started doing research for my E39, put NGK Iridium (gap 0.028") a few years ago, engine smooth like silk, no hiccups........

The larger gap is not an issue.

As I mentioned in my inital post, 2 & 4 prong plugs spark across the insulator surface, there's lower resistance because of surface ion alignment prior to spark.

At any given voltage a spark can jump around TWICE as far across a surface then an air gap.

FWIW, I pulled the OE 4 prong plugs at 105k miles and they looked good, 4 spark paths visible on insulator surface of all plugs.

electricalserv x5 08-02-2014 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by four.8is (Post 1003644)


what are You running in your 4.8is?

four.8is 08-02-2014 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electricalserv x5 (Post 1003690)
what are You running in your 4.8is?

Good question:)I will let you know once I take the original ones out next week lol
What I know is that I'm going with the NGK iridium

electricalserv x5 08-02-2014 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by four.8is (Post 1003692)
Good question:)I will let you know once I take the original ones out next week lol
What I know is that I'm going with the NGK iridium

I am going with the NGK also, I just installed OEM,they run Okay but ,Mike Aya and others with the 4.8IS say very good things about the NGK IR IX.............and better MPG.

Ricky Bobby 08-02-2014 03:56 PM

No complaints with NGK plugs here boys


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