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Help with PPI on a 4.6 in San Jose
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New here but been with the Bimmer family for some time. I am in Houston, TX and the X5 4.6 I picked up on eBay is in San Jose (2003 BMW x5 4 6IS Sport Utility 4 Door 4 6L | eBay). Anyone: 1: know of this 4.6? he had the whole top end and timing done. is that super OCD or was there something I should know about the 4.6 (familiar with the 4.4 but not the 4.6) that he's done I should red flag? 2: PPI (see, look for known problems) this for me? Buy you dinner/drinks/lap dance/hooker/blow/hooker&blow (not judging here, different strokes for different folks!) very new to the X5 scene (want to know about E39 540's? PM me) and am excited to get back into a BMW. Thanks!! |
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To answer your questions: The top end work at 93,000 mi. is PM. That's a good thing not a warning flag. There may be other things that have not been done. For example, PM the cooling system or rebuild the suspension, replace transfer case and diff fluid. A PPI from a shop that specializes in BMW should be able to see if any of those or other potential problems exist or will need to be done in the near future. A PPI should always be done before purchasing any used vehicle. The 4.6 was a low production run with increase HP and TQ over the 4.4. It was the highest performance X5 offered until the 4.8 was introduced and has several unique exterior differences from other X5s. There are not that many that come up for sale and if that is what you want you will have to get after it quickly. I bought mine new, have 112,000 miles on it. I have done many mods. It has been a fabulous vehicle. The first daily driver I have ever kept over 3-4 years. |
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it's good to know the job was more of a PM than a red flag. He has not done any suspension work since he owned it and said everything is 10/10; he did the top end because it started to do this whistle thing that was driving his wife nuts and his mechanic said it is a known problem so he just went ahead and did it all. he's too far from Stevens Creek BMW to do a PPI (it's like 80 miles from him). He's in the way south end of SJ (Gilroy?). Any shops closer to him that can do a good PPI instead of a dealer down there? Much thanks!! |
Um if you bought it isnt it a bit late to do a PPI now?
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To the OP, that is a nice 4.6is and the price seems right for the mileage and condition.Welcome and enjoy! |
It would now just be a I. Or maybe a Post purchase inspection I suppose.
Regardless, congrats! Edit: Four.8is beat me to it. |
Don't know any place down that way for a PPI. The top end work doesn't concern me. I just did similar on my 2003 4.6. Known issue of the timing guides being a potential fail point. If the guides go you'll most likely grenade the motor. The 4.6 motors are so rare that you may as well scrap it.
I would find out exactly what cooling hoses were replaced if any and plan on doing it. You can wait until one fails but then you're stuck. If you do wait, replace them all. I speak from experience. I tried piecemeal and blew one, then another a month later. Don't for get the heater hoses on the back of the motor. �� I do love the vehicle and plan on having it for a long time. |
Nice find. That's about what I paid for mine with same year and miles. I hope you got the receipts for those claims. I don't believe people usually do TC guides as PM unless they're replacing TC covers and decide to do it.
You do know that due to 3.91 diff, 315/275 tires and 340 HP engine, you'll get lucky if you get 19 mpg on interstate. That is if you stay under 80 mph. Mine is not DD and I've been getting 16 mpg mixed driving , but the grin is permanent on my face. |
thanks for the replies! yout's all are great!
i've mentioned to the seller if everything doesn't check out the way he described it, there's going to be a problem. yes, it's a Post Purchase Inspection but it's a hybrid of it actually. I'm not too concerned about the MPG as much as time. Takes me 7-7:30 to drive the 400 miles in the Bronco and it struggles to maintain 80-85 on some stretch of the highway... and it doesn't get 15 mpg at that speed; it can do 15 if I cruise at 60! This X is going to cut the time down even if I achieve 17mpg as long as I can cover it in 6... 6:30. Plus it's a 4 door so when I need to head anywhere with my girl and some friends, it isn't becoming a cliff climbing expedition for the rear passengers to wedge themselves between the B pillar and the front seat to get in. Pretty excited about this though. I can't pick it up for another 3 weeks. After this hitch, I have a 4x4 Fall run with the TX4WD club this weekend and by the time I'm done with that, I'll be back for my next hitch which covers wed-wed so it'll be two weekends before I can go out there and pick it up. I'm just concerned when the cooling system has been done. Owning a BMW, we all know the cardinal rule of the cooling system: if you're not sure, change it. lol BTW, are there any 4.6 that DIDN'T come with any Dinan modifications? read somewhere that practically all 4.6 left the dealer with some Dinan mod, either 1, 2 and the highly coveted 3 with the supercharger. Thanks!! |
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As you know you can still get some records from dealer while car was under warranty and maybe some cooling work has been done. Not all 4.6is are modified. Mine is bone stock and it will receive new SS T304 3.5" dual round tips and electric Spal fan instead clutch fan and that's about all I'm going to do to it. |
Just called and he said there's 2 (???) Water pumps? I think he meant the main pump and the aux?
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Mechanicaly mine is stock. I think most are, or that has been my take on it. When you figure there where only about 5000 made world wide for the two years it was out, not many to be modified. If you google m62 timing guide fail you'll see it is a common issue. One poll on Bimmerforums had a 8% failure under 150k, and a 6% over. If I had a 4.4 I would not have been as concerned about it. The 4.6 motors are so rare that many iS owners do it as insurance. You'll find on here that Terminator could not find a replacement motor and ended up getting a 4.8iS. His story is not unique. I would ask for recepts to verify that the work was done.
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I had all my guides and tensioners replaced around 106k just as preventative beause of the amount of miles I drive.
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here's the carfax:
03/13/2003 4 A & L Motors Monroeville, PA 412-373-6071 almotors.com Pre-delivery inspection completed Emissions inspection completed Safety inspection completed 03/13/2003 10 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported Titled or registered as corporate vehicle 04/18/2003 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Title #0087806778 Title issued or updated Title or registration issued First owner reported Vehicle color noted as Black 10/02/2003 3,691 Service Facility Vehicle serviced 04/29/2004 8,632 Service Facility Vehicle serviced 05/25/2004 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Title #0087806778 Registration issued or renewed Vehicle color noted as Black 06/30/2005 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Title #0087806778 Registration issued or renewed Vehicle color noted as Black 06/16/2006 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Title #0087806778 Registration issued or renewed Vehicle color noted as Black 06/01/2007 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Title #0087806778 Registration issued or renewed Vehicle color noted as Black 06/13/2007 22,525 BMW Of Cape Cod Hyannis, MA 508-775-4526 Oil and filter changed Wiper(s) replaced One tire mounted and balanced Four wheel alignment performed Electrical system checked Steering/suspension checked 09/04/2007 23,985 BMW Of Cape Cod Hyannis, MA 508-775-4526 Tire repaired Exterior lights checked Axles checked 09/23/2008 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Registration updated when owner moved the vehicle to a new location 06/30/2009 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Fort Lauderdale, FL Title #0087806778 Registration issued or renewed Vehicle color noted as Black 10/17/2009 41,727 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale Owner 2 Purchased: 2009 Type: Personal Where: Massachusetts, California Est. miles/year: 12,516/yr Est. length owned: 10/20/09 - 2/14/12 (2 yrs. 3 mo.) Date: Mileage: Source: Comments: 10/20/2009 41,732 Massachusetts Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported 10/27/2009 Dealer Inventory Vehicle sold 11/10/2009 Massachusetts Motor Vehicle Dept. Quincy, MA Registration issued or renewed New owner reported Vehicle color noted as Black 11/17/2009 42,164 Massachusetts Inspection Station Quincy, MA Passed safety inspection Passed emissions inspection 11/27/2009 Massachusetts Motor Vehicle Dept. Quincy, MA Title #BH433874 Title issued or updated Loan or lien reported Vehicle color noted as Black 01/29/2010 45,012 Gallery Automotive Group gallerygroup.com Drive belt(s) replaced 02/12/2010 45,382 Gallery Automotive Group Gallerygroup.com Transmission replaced 08/04/2010 50,633 California Motor Vehicle Dept. San Jose, CA Odometer reading reported 08/11/2010 50,777 California Inspection Station Failed emissions inspection Passed emissions inspection 08/23/2010 California Motor Vehicle Dept. San Jose, CA Title issued or updated Loan or lien reported Registration updated when owner moved the vehicle to a new location 01/17/2012 70,092 Skips Tire and Auto Centers San Jose, CA 408-226-0745 Alignment checked Tire(s) balanced Tire(s) replaced Tire condition and pressure checked Drivability/performance checked 02/14/2012 70,778 California Inspection Station Santa Clara, CA Passed emissions inspection 02/14/2012 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale 02/24/2012 70,909 Service Plan Co. San Jose, CA Service contract issued 03/14/2012 71,241 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim Vehicle body serviced Electrical system serviced Owner 3 Purchased: 2012 Type: Personal Where: California Est. miles/year: 11,266/yr Est. length owned: 4/2/12 - 10/2/13 (1 yr. 6 mo.) Low mileage! This owner drove less than the industry average of 15,000 miles per year. Date: Mileage: Source: Comments: 04/02/2012 California Motor Vehicle Dept. San Jose, CA Title issued or updated New owner reported 04/10/2012 71,662 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim Fuel system serviced 10/06/2012 76,692 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim Engine serviced Drive axle serviced Cooling system serviced Electrical system serviced 12/18/2012 78,664 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim Cooling system serviced 02/01/2013 79,954 Service Plan Co. San Jose, CA Service contract issued 05/25/2013 Skips Tire and Auto Centers San Jose, CA 408-226-0745 Maintenance inspection completed Four wheel alignment performed Tire(s) replaced Tire(s) balanced Drivability/performance checked 07/09/2013 85,738 California Inspection Station San Jose, CA Passed emissions inspection 07/13/2013 85,830 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim Vehicle body serviced Transmission serviced Owner 4 Purchased: 2013 Type: Personal Where: California Est. length owned: 10/2/13 - 9/15/14 (11 months) Date: Mileage: Source: Comments: 10/02/2013 86,962 California Motor Vehicle Dept. San Jose, CA Odometer reading reported 10/03/2013 California Motor Vehicle Dept. San Jose, CA Title issued or updated New owner reported Owner 5 Purchased: 2014 Type: Personal Where: California Est. length owned: 9/15/14 - present (1 month) Date: Mileage: Source: Comments: 09/15/2014 California Motor Vehicle Dept. Gilroy, CA Title issued or updated New owner reported I've highlighed the BOLD as something that concerns/confuses me and ITALIC in something I think I should be happy about. What's the feedback on this report (granted, it's not 100% but best I can get for now). Thanks! |
Just take it as it goes man. Congrats on your purchase!
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Did owner 2 have the trans replaced at the dealer? That couldn't have been cheap.
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