Need help!!, AV INPUT Question! PIC ATTACHED
 

Hi, my car is X5 2003 and i have an AV input and output ports behind the center mobile box, the port look like the stereo audio input, i used this cable to connect my DVD player (1 Audio/video port to 3 ports(Audio-L, Audio-R, Video), and i switched the TV to AV but nothing happened and its always on mute, i tried more than 10 cables from the local market till now :mad:, do i have to get a special cable from the agency for it??

Waiting for your reply's

Thanks..

The AUX input is for audio only, not video. It is for connecting an ipod or similar device. When you change the MODE on your stereo to AUX, you should hear the audio from your auxillary device...

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Thanks...., What about the AV channel in my TV, wheres the connector input for it?

Thanks again.. :)

Probably into the AV inputs on the TV tuner itself (under spare tire)

Your TV module is in the trunk underneath the spare tire. You need to connect an audio/video adapter to your TV module and then you can plug in a DVD player. Several companies like navtv.com sell these harnesses and adapters. Some allow you to plug in several devices like a DVD player, Backup camera, etc. and also use the steering wheel buttons. Here is a pic of a basic adapter which I found on ebay...

If your talking about the socket at the rear of the centre console, then that is an video/audio input for the monitor.
I've not seen any documentation for the pin out of this socket, but I do know that the TV module will only accept a single video input and single mono audio input. This may be the issue with your lead as it has audio L&R.

Correction!! Sorry its an AV input please see the attached picture....
 

Correction!! Sorry its an AV input please see the attached picture....

Wow! I have never seen that before! That's certainly not a North American option... :dunno:

Yeah, I have the same sockets and couldn't connect my iPod either :dunno:

Those are the oem plugs to connect a rear Tv monitor or a video recorder.
AV IN: plug for video recorder
AV out: plug for connection for a screen which will enable rear passengers to watch TV on the move!
The TV button is your TV channel search button.

BTW ,this info is straight out of my 2003 manual for operating instructions for OBC.l.

if you get a stereo jack to stereo jack lead [ ie from ipod ear piece to av in ] and go to av aux in ure tv menu and ull get the ipod to play i did ,only thing is the screen flickers like crazy so was not keen on using it this way going for the ice link again :thumbup:

Not recommended to use your AVs to connect Audio!

what cable i have to use??!!
 

what cable i have to use??!! i tried to connect my ipod using 3 to 1 cable(Audio Stereo/ video) to 3 outputs and i used also the stereo audi cable 1 to 1, but didnt work the AV channel was displaying black screen and it was muted all the time? as if theres no connection at all

AV input/output are VIDEO not AUDIO connectors!

so which cable i have to use?

Video cable only!But wait for our ICE gurus to get on line and they will give you more ideas!

just a normal audio stereo jack lead

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60...bayaudi001.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60...bayaudi002.jpg

but like i said screen flickers like mad and im not sure if i was doing any damage

And the sound will be in Mono too

Whity, i tried the same cable in the picture but it didnt work, the AV channel stays on mute mode, and i pressed everything to unmute but i couldnt, no flickering after connecting?, is it possible that the port is not connected from inside??? :(

sorry i cant help any more as i tryed it the first time and it worked , only prob i had was the screen flickering and also turn the volume up full on the ipod and need to turn it up abit on the head unit as well :dunno:

bestfad I do have the same AV input in my car but it dos work. you have to use a jack with 3 layer heads 1AV AND 2 audio , also you have to set your screen either NTSC or PAL and it will work for you

Hi guys. I have played successfully with my AV input in the past and can add some information for you.

The AV input will take both sound and picture to the front screen. You need a 3.5mm AV jack - it is different from the usual audio type. It has the usual left channel, right channel and earth but also another contact for video. Your next question is where do I find such a lead? Well… I am trying to find one too. At the moment all I can do is unplug the input in my daughter’s headrest style DVD screen and plug it into the X5’s AV input. This give me a picture and sound but leaves her without. Sigh. If you like, I can take a photo of what the jack looks like.

All the best,

Simon

In the dv camcorder market they are very common. I have one in front of me that came with a camera ( I think I have a couple that came with different cameras). It is a normal jack but with an extra ring for the video. The other end is 3 phonos but you can also easily get dual phono to jack to plug into your headphones socket on the Ipod (or anything). I haven't tried it yet I have only had the car for 4 days but I will soon. In the UK I would think that Maplins or the like would sell the leads. They definately sell the dual phono to jack (for audio only). Any camera place should have them. In general they are the only way you can attach a small camcorder to your PC for analogue connection (i.e. not firewire or USB) also for connectiing your camera to a video recorder. By the way by convention Yellow is video.

John

HI Again

Just been out to try the AV input and sure enough it sort of works? That is if the connector is fully in the screen comes up mute. If I pull it out a bit it plays and the screen flickers as an earlier post. This could be because of a couple of things one the connector is non standard (do not think so) or it needs a signal on the video input to decide there is a signal there and com eout of mute. In older AV equipment you could 'blow up' the video if it just 'free ran' so they would mute the signal if one not in range could be detected.

I will record a film and try again to prove the point. This may take a bit longer though.

John

Hi John,
I tried to use the same cable your talking about, but nothing is coming on the front screen and still on mute position, bellow i added a link for the cable pic that i used:
http://globalretailsolutions.dollard...2/vmc-20fr.jpg
I talked to BMW dealer and asked for the cable, they are selling it by 150$!@!
its very expensive there and i dont know even if it will work, i need to find out whats the model number of that cable maybe ill get the assembly layout to fix a similar one.
but 2 post says its should work with the cable i already have but i ll have a crazy screen with the sound, but nothing happen on my screen, is it possible that AV input is not connected from inside?, i bought my car from the agency brand new, and nobody opened or played with electronics inside before, thats why i think nothing wrong with the port.

Thanks for your replys guys...:)

An easy check to see if the wiring is OK from the socket to the TV module is to press the TV button.
If this increments the channel on the TV then the wiring to the TV unit is OK.
The TV button is a momentary switch that puts the video input lead to ground and causes the TV module to increment the channel.
This test won't however test the video socket, but will confirm that the wiring to the TV module is OK.

I have same AV input/output plug.I am in SOUTH KOREA.
In here any body don't know how can we use it.
If you have some tips,please tell me.
thank you.

X5 2003 Nov. 4.4i

1. try to pull the A/V cable out about 1-2 mm the sound will appear, but you cannot get stereo sound on the tv input (the tv sound is always mono in our bmw even when it comes from the tunner, remember?)
2. if you are using a simple stereo cable (which is a better way of doing it imho) you will still get a monoaural sound.

the reason you a getting mute mesage all the time is simple: the signal which comes on the channel where video signal shouild come i s too low (remember what happens when u r watching tv in the car and the signal is weak - yes, is mutes the sound completely to prevent noise from the tuner). solution? turn you ipod's volume up all the way. but remember this is onluy a temporary solution, as you will never get stereo sound through this input.

Ill try
 

ill try and tell you what will happen, and my TV button is working...


Thanks

Here is a photo of the 3.5mm plug I use with the X5's AV IN from my portable DVD player.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...AVwithplug.jpg

HI

Yes that works but only if there is a Video signal which I suppose you get from a portable dvd player. If you have audio only you have to pull the connector out by about 2 mm and it plays but the screen cannot sync so flickers. On older tvs and computer screens this was bad for them. I have yet to try and bodge something onto the Video input to make the screen think it has a signal but only black.

John

I am desperate!!
 

I am desperate :(
Guys I tried all the thing you told me to do, more than 20 cables types, I tried to pull the cable out/in a little, but what ever I do the nothing change on the muted black screen, I tried to connect my DVD, laptop, camera, ipod, xdaII, with all the possible way to this AV stupid port but didn’t work :mad: , there only 2 things I didn’t try, getting the Agency AV cable and opening the AV compartment in the middle to see if there any cables disconnectedrom inside,
Any advice what I have to do now? one has the instructions manual for assembling reassembling this? I don’t want to break anything:(

agree,agree and agree once again. i came to the same conclusion after many trials. but i gave up, as the sound is mono, no matter what you do. what we all need is an aux input kit.

bestfad, can you buy the bmw cable, keep the receipt, try the cable, and if it doesn't work, just return it for a refund. in the uk you have 14 days to return the goods, just keep the receipt and packaging.

Is there a fuse that control the AV input/output? till now i cant get anything on the AV channel?

Really Need Help!! Not working till now??!!
 

Hi Guys,
I didnt give up yet on this problem yet!!, I tried everything i can think about, and all the cables, and the stupid dealer told me that they dont have any idea about this AV input output?!?!?! any1 had the same experience before, please let me know, theres a funny thing is happening when i put 3.5 cable in my av input and pull it a little while the AC is on the back center fan accelerate 10X ?!?!? i really dont know why, and every time i try to plug my cable, and pull it a little out the lighter fuse 25 burns, no clue??:mad:

Please Help,
Thanks

I got it to work on my friends car. He has the same thing and what I did was use my Sony MiniDV camcorders AV plug(this one) and attached it. It worked ok.

So i have to change the plug in the car u mean? or the cable that comes with sony MiniDV?

I tried to install an AIV multimedia adapter in a friends X5 today, and that didn't work ! (aiv = competitor Dietz).
I plugged in this plug-and-play adapter in the TV tuner (went smoothly), and connected my sony digicam to it (both video and one audio channel). Nothing happens ! AV channel stays blank and muted !

:(

Not sure if this would help any but did you try going through the different settings for your AV channel? It has PAL, NTSC, AND SECAM. When I installed my rear view camera it wouldnt come up on the screen but that was because I had picked the wrong AV setting on the screen. Just a thought.......

good point, but I tried all of them. We have PAL, secam and NTSC. None of them worked. Very bizar !

guys, I am using a very cheap cable male-male 3.5mm to connect my iPod (through the headphone jack) to the rear A/V in and it works great ! ... and I don't pull the jack out to make it work ... the only problem is that u cannot use the screen in the same time ... it only gives black screen with flickers ... but the audio quality is perfect

Resurrecting this thread. Having read it, I conclude that the AV input connector at the rear of the centre console consists of the 4 way 3.5mm jack (L & R audio, composite video and gnd) just like many previous iPods themselves had. This makes sense as it would allow audio and video to be supplied into the car's system through one single neat connector.

BUT...

This suggests stereo audio and we all know that the TV Tuner does not have this capability.

So...

Is the audio signal downmixed to mono or does this input connector actually feed video to the AV input on the Tuner and audio to some other input (AUX in?) that can do stereo?

Some of the previous responders seem to be using this connector. Is it stereo or mono?

I have tried to find a better solution to connecting a DVD player's audio input into the car's audio system without using this input at the rear console. As I believe this method would not achieve the best in sound quality.


Having looked through both UK & US accessory catalogues (on this site) it would appear BMW have already provided an AUX input for the likes of Ipods which has already been well documented within this forum. Check the following as an excellent guide:
http://www.xoutpost.com/articles/x5/stereo/9506-fitting-aux-input-cable-x5-nav.html

However I noticed the US catalogue gave an option of different audio leads which would allow for RCA type Aux input connection, as with both types they are located at the rear of the dashboard NAV screen. The only trouble is my local UK dealer's system doesn't recognise the US part numbers?

in the end i gave up on using this av in port [ didnt like the screen flickering ] , and fitted a the ice link and then a av input output lead to the tv module and fitted a 300gb hdd media player

I'm sure this AV input can be successfully used (as some have so reported), so my question still remains, what IS the audio input? If it goes to the TV tuner, then it must be mono, so why a stereo socket? Or, does it use an alternative input?

I have been pondering the idea of iPod video (or any other video source in fact) and the problem is that the AV audio input is mono. Surely an OEM BMW all singing, all dancing DVD option cannot be limited to mono. Can it?

Has anyone arranged stereo audio in conjuncion with video to the front screen? It occurs to me that this could be tricky as you would need to be able to independently select an audio input and video input. Is this possible?

Yes this is possible if you choose to use the connections directly behind the Nav Screen. The Aux Stereo audio is then fed via these connections into the cars system. You then should see a new Aux connection available on the monitor, which will then enable another source to be played via this means. The US 2006 accessory catalogue offers such a Stereo cable for the purpose of connecting devices such as DVD players. This is quoted as follows:
Optional: Aux Input adapter (allows DVD audio to be played through the aux input in the radio.
Vehicles Without Sat Nav: Part No. 84 11 0392 070
Vehicles With Sat Nav: Part No. 84 11 0395 143

However the installers of my DVD system and twin 7" Headrest monitors choose to connect the audio visual via the tuner in the boot. This means when wishing to view a DVD input you must select Television and then AV channel. This works but it means once in motion the dash monitor (only) will constantley display the BMW warning on the screen to prevent its video use in motion. The rear screens and audio remains unaffected, however when using the Satnav the map screen will only be displayed when a change of direction is announced all other times the dash monitor remains blank except for the warning. A separate modification is available to provide video in motion if so required.

But if you input stereo via the AUX in connection, there is no video. If you select AV input on the TV it's mono. So how do you select AUX in for audio and AV for video? I can't see how you can do this, so how can you get stereo audio to go with your DVD?

Yes you can get stereo using the Aux connections leads at the rear of the dash monitor. But as you assume correctly this won't achieve a visual input to the front monitor.
The Aux input will not be shown as a selection until this lead has been connected it can then be sourced via the audio settings. In theory this would then allow you to have stereo sound.

I suppose it all depends on what you hope to achieve, knowing that the dash monitor cannot be used in motion (without adaption).
If you just wish to ensure stereo sound for those watching the rear monitors then this will achieve your goal. It will also ensure your Satnav screen can be constantly accessed without the constant warning signs.

If you wish I can exam my installation further and see where the connections are made?

I'm still not getting this.

We KNOW that the AUX input is stereo.

We KNOW that the audio connection for the Tuner's AV input is mono.

So how can you get stereo sound from your DVD - anywhere? If the DVD's video is connected to AV input and it's stereo ouput is fed into AUX, what input can you choose that will provide both of these? Select AUX and you get stereo audio, no video. Select AV and you get the video with no sound. How can you select the 2 different inputs, one for audio and another for video?

If indeed that AV input on the rear of the centre console has stereo audio, where does that lead go? Specifically, where does the video signal go (AV on the Tuner I guess) and where does that stereo audio signal go? A wiring diagram for the UK car would really help here.

In fact I am still having difficulty getting it to work at all. I have a straight through AV lead (4 way 3.5 jack either end) from an iPod dock to the AV in and all I get is a flickering screen of black on black (strange, but that's how it appears). Changes from PAL to NTSC and vice versa just produce a different kind of flicker. This dock ouputs video perfectly to my home AV amp, so it HAS to be something to do with the car.

Can anyone who has got this working let us know exactly how you did this?

Thanks.

Ok the current set-up for my DVD players output was via the 3.5mm AV In socket at the rear consul. When the installer first recommended its use I could obviously see from their perspective the simplicity of this installation. However I didn't like the fact the plug could be removed and the depending upon its security and orientation within the socket it would also determine the quality of picture and sound received.

I asked for a better solution and like you wanted to achieve true Stereo sound. That said all the installer then choose to do was hard wire the DVD's output to the inside of the AV In socket. This ensured good picture but mono audio. This is how it currently remains.

It would appear that the one sure way of obtaining Stereo sound is to use the AUX input which then means you sacrifice the AV feed to the dash monitor. I am very doubtful whether both AV and AUX In feeds could be used simultaneously but can't say for certain? I have asked BMW for help on this matter but nothing as yet has been forthcoming!

Aux can be used in conjunction with av on an aftermarket "Blitzsafe",IIRC you cycle the clock button (or one of them) on the head unit to change to sound input.

I just figured out how the AV In socket works. See my post here

http://www.xoutpost.com/bsws-mobile-e...explained.html

Here is how I sorted out the issue of playing DVD's and getting stereo sound.

There are three key components involved:
1. Video in/out lead for the TV tuner (or aux in/out at the rear of the car)
2. TV in motion module
3. Aux input for the stereo

The DVD needs to be connected as follows: DVD video output to the video input of the TV tuner (via either a TV module cable or aux in/out at rear of car). The DVD audio connected to the stereo aux input.

The smart piece in the puzzle is the TV in motion unit.
The one I used allowed a seperate audio source to be selected whilst video is displayed on the monitor.
The way it actually worked is by pressing the <> button on the monitor toggles between the Video audio (i.e. mono) and the last selected audio setting on the radio. So, by making sure the radio was set to AUX input, pressing the <> when in Video aux mode produces stereo from the DVD player.

FYI, this is how I installed the AV setup in my car.
Using the audio video switcher, each of the three monitors can select a video (and associated audio) source independantly of each other.
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However, this installation wasn't pain free. I had an unforseen issue of the DVD remote interfering with the video switcher, so in some cases pressing play on the remote changed one of the screens video selections. Also, in the UK, the TV video input is PAL and the DVD unit I got doesn't play PAL too well, so I've stuck with NTSC as it produces the better picture on the headrest monitors (but as a result I don't get a picture on the Nav screen now - but the kids are quiet so I can live with that!)

Well its certainly reassuring that you can rely on the public instead of the manufacture who seems to have taken their money and ran. Again I have asked BMW UK as to why the US can buy BMW approved cables for fitting aftermarket DVD players etc.. but unfortunately I've been given a fairly standardised reply how US models differ from the UK? However what they seem to ignore is, if the very same connection for Aux In is used for an IPod, then both UK and US share the same type cable?

I'm also pleased to hear from others that if the AUX In is selected before the TV then this independent audio source can be used in conjunction with the visual feed via AV TV channel. So real stereo sound at last, I have also discovered the following web page which also confirms this: http://www.janixworld.com/x5/AUX_Input/

I trust this is of some help?

The AV channel is independen from tv tuner choice of country, When you are on AV go to serrings and change it to NTSC, the TV stations willl stay PAL and av NTSC

Hello, wich model of tv in motion have you used? because i only have the tv screen in front of the car, i do not nedd the "pyle" i think.
I want to play dvd in stereo in front only.

best regards

Hi,

The cable I fitted for TV in motion was purchased from Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=310025404051

There are other cables for sale on Ebay but don't provide the function. This takes under tens minutes to fit and works without fault. This was website also provided at the lowest price when I purchased mine.

hello, i have dismounted my bmw and i ahve a tv tunner that i think is different.. can you help me? because now i don't know here i can connect the av cables and the tv free.. i attach pictures

thank you