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IslandRoad 04-24-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1035615)
Real OEM and even the dealer diagram/parts numbers all wrong- both listed all the 4 camshaft position sensors as part #12 14 7 518 628. Well, on my 2005 X5 N62 the sensors are different on the driver sidehttp://www.xoutpost.com/images/smilies/dunno.gif The passenger side 2 camshaft position sensors- one for the exhaust camshaft part #12 14 7 518 628 and one for the intake camshaft (with pigtail lead cable) 12 14 7 539 172.

Ya sometimes you can't always rely on Real OEM. I have been cought up a few times with it.

Looks like the order is correct.... Don't mind all the oil, this engine is going to get a clean up with all new gaskets also.


Here is Bank 2


http://i.imgur.com/Wla6h7Gh.jpg

Bank 1

http://i.imgur.com/RwtppxXh.jpg

IslandRoad 04-27-2015 09:42 AM

Monday Bump on this.

X5only 04-27-2015 12:05 PM

Yes, the CPS sensors install look correct. You probably want to do a RAM backup first to reset the vanos adaption values. The error codes and symptoms are the same as swapped sensors. I did a lot of investigations about this so you probably want to leverage the findings in this thread. If that doesn't resolve it then clearly your engine needs to be retimed or the sensors/vanos solenoids are faulty on the driver side. But I would first do a RAM_Backup before anything else. In the linked threads you'll read that even dealer master techs sometimes get stumped by those codes you're getting if vanos adaptation values require a reset. Even retiming the engine may not fix it!

IslandRoad 04-27-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1035920)
Yes, the CPS sensors install look correct. You probably want to do a RAM backup first to reset the vanos adaption values. The error codes and symptoms are the same as swapped sensors. I did a lot of investigations about this so you probably want to leverage the findings in this thread. If that doesn't resolve it then clearly your engine needs to be retimed or the sensors/vanos solenoids are faulty on the driver side. But I would first do a RAM_Backup before anything else. In the linked threads you'll read that even dealer master techs sometimes get stumped by those codes you're getting if vanos adaptation values require a reset. Even retiming the engine may not fix it!

That's what I thought as well but glad somebody was able to confirm. I am going to try doing the reset once i have a k+can cable, tonight will be cleaning the solenoids. I have read all your past post on this so i have a lot of go on thanks.

IslandRoad 05-09-2015 07:20 PM

Alright cleaned and swapped solenoids and the same error plus 1 more having to do with an exhaust sensor so i think they need to be replaced.

After a few hours of downloading daten files and installing everything I finally reset the ram via Ediabas and that did not help. What is the program you are using that shows "Diagnosis Control Unit Function"?

The car is going into the shop on Wednesday and they deal with a lot of BMW race cars of their own and have a great crew, so I am thinking they can figure everything out for me so I can at least tackle this. Thanks again for you help, I will update when I have more information on the issue.

X5only 05-09-2015 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandRoad (Post 1037324)
Alright cleaned and swapped solenoids and the same error plus 1 more having to do with an exhaust sensor so i think they need to be replaced.

After a few hours of downloading daten files and installing everything I finally reset the ram via Ediabas and that did not help. What is the program you are using that shows "Diagnosis Control Unit Function"?

The car is going into the shop on Wednesday and they deal with a lot of BMW race cars of their own and have a great crew, so I am thinking they can figure everything out for me so I can at least tackle this. Thanks again for you help, I will update when I have more information on the issue.

The program is GT1. As for the extra new code, check your connections. Did you try to swap the bank 1 and bank 2 sensors and see if the code moves too? One of the sensors on bank 2 has a similar part number as on bank 1 and look the same (the one without the pig tail). Regardless, let us know the end result for posterity when you resolve your issue.

Thanks!

IslandRoad 05-13-2015 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1037332)
The program is GT1. As for the extra new code, check your connections. Did you try to swap the bank 1 and bank 2 sensors and see if the code moves too? One of the sensors on bank 2 has a similar part number as on bank 1 and look the same (the one without the pig tail). Regardless, let us know the end result for posterity when you resolve your issue.

Thanks!

Just got the car back from the shop. I just had them do an hour inspection of what it needed ect try to focus on the main issues aka those fault codes.

Consensus in the shop is who ever worked on the car last messed up and the Cams need to be re-timed. No i have taken off turbos and done valve cover gaskets ect among other things so i know my way around the engine. I have never timed the cams, i know you need a special tool as well. I was thinking that i could pay a local guy on one of the BMW forums to help me would be a lot cheaper and learn in the process.

How hard would you consider this job to be, have you done it before? Any DIY that I can follow ect?

X5only 05-13-2015 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandRoad (Post 1037912)
Just got the car back from the shop. I just had them do an hour inspection of what it needed ect try to focus on the main issues aka those fault codes.

Consensus in the shop is who ever worked on the car last messed up and the Cams need to be re-timed. No i have taken off turbos and done valve cover gaskets ect among other things so i know my way around the engine. I have never timed the cams, i know you need a special tool as well. I was thinking that i could pay a local guy on one of the BMW forums to help me would be a lot cheaper and learn in the process.

How hard would you consider this job to be, have you done it before? Any DIY that I can follow ect?

Have you ruled out that it's simply the sensor that is faulty? I've never done it on N62 engine (done it on M52 engine). I came across several DIY on this but didn't save them. Do a search on timing the N62 engine. If it indeed needs the cams retimed, I would consider doing the valve stem seals as well even as a preventative maintenance.

IslandRoad 05-13-2015 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1037917)
Have you ruled out that it's simply the sensor that is faulty? I've never done it on N62 engine (done it on M52 engine). I came across several DIY on this but didn't save them. Do a search on timing the N62 engine. If it indeed needs the cams retimed, I would consider doing the valve stem seals as well even as a preventative maintenance.

They verified it with a new plug so its def needs to be re-timed for sure. The Valve Stems seals are a big job. I will be doing some research on this to see what i am getting myself into.

IslandRoad 05-31-2015 06:31 PM

Quick update.

So i had the car at the shop, they have had it for a week now. I wanted to gather a 2nd opinion and see what was going on.

The other shop that i am working with is a tech that used to work at BMW for the past 25 years and very familiar with this engine. All of the Vanos sensors were replaced with and same issue.

He says that it does need to be re-timed but also vanos unit on bank 2 needs to be replaced. While he is there any gaskets will also be replaced. I am buying the parts and he does the work. I don't have a problem doing the valve cover gaskets but re-timing the cams is something i have never done and also don't have the special tools for that so he is thinking around $1200 for the work.

My question is i have been trying to find a rebuild vanos kit of the N62 but everything I am finding is for the M62.

I went to Drvanos and beisansystems but both seem to be for the M62. Am i missing something, also on real oem i can't seem to find the diagram for the vanos.


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