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Skyline 05-12-2015 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Emden (Post 1037755)
BMW were the ones that suggested a used engine as an option.

Just to clarify.

Did they suggest you get a used motor, (as, in reality, it's the only sensible thing to do here,) or did they say they'd sell you one and do the install??? A BMW dealer installing a used motor is a new one to me.

The key to getting a used engine installed, is that some junkyards, (usually at slightly higher price), will guarantee a used engine for 90 days. Not only that, if the engine is no good, they will provide another engine and reimburse the shop for doing another swap. Since it's always a toss up on any used motor, and it's about 12-14 hours labor to do the swap, you want the labor guaranteed as well.

So if the BMW dealer offers to provide an engine, will they guarantee it for a certain period, INCLUDING labor? 90 days is plenty to know if the motor is good, and if you choose, get you onto an aftermarket warranty.

JCL 05-12-2015 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Emden (Post 1037762)
The bypass is actually inside the filter? Are you sure of this?

It is not in the filter. On my 3.0, it was in the filter housing. Assume the 4.8 is the same.

JCL 05-12-2015 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyline (Post 1037764)
Did they suggest you get a used motor, (as, in reality, it's the only sensible thing to do here,) or did they say they'd sell you one and do the install??? A BMW dealer installing a used motor is a new one to me.

That was my question as well. I understand a BMW dealer saying you should go do this.....

There is a long thread on this board about a failed 4.8. The dealer made a mistake on a service, and accepted responsibility. They talked about a used engine for a long time. Eventually, they brought a new crate engine in from Germany. I seem to recall that it took 4 months or so.

JCL 05-12-2015 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown (Post 1037760)
But the bypass should have been used which is in the filter; when the filter collapsed the bypass also went and thus you then had a lubrication failure. Could the suction generated cause a filter to collapse? Yes. I have seen where a fuel pump on a motorcycle collapsed the fuel tank.

That engine didn't die in that 20 mile trip, it had an issue before then. That 20 miles was just where the issue then became noticeable. What the OP also needs to find out, were any of the codes being cleared dealt with oil pressure. The oil pressure had to be low; no oil going through the filter and bypass destroyed it would have to impact the oil pressure reading.

The bypass (separate component) is there to save the engine if the filter does get clogged. Seems much more likely that the engine was making metal and that the filter issue was a consequence, not a cause.

Agree that the vehicle very likely had these issues prior.

Emden 05-12-2015 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyline (Post 1037764)
Did they suggest you get a used motor, (as, in reality, it's the only sensible thing to do here,) or did they say they'd sell you one and do the install??? A BMW dealer installing a used motor is a new one to me.

The key to getting a used engine installed, is that some junkyards, (usually at slightly higher price), will guarantee a used engine for 90 days. Not only that, if the engine is no good, they will provide another engine and reimburse the shop for doing another swap. Since it's always a toss up on any used motor, and it's about 12-14 hours labor to do the swap, you want the labor guaranteed as well.

So if the BMW dealer offers to provide an engine, will they guarantee it for a certain period, INCLUDING labor? 90 days is plenty to know if the motor is good, and if you choose, get you onto an aftermarket warranty.


They are now suggesting we buy the engine and they will install it.

lanbrown 05-12-2015 07:02 PM

How much for the install?

Emden 05-12-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown (Post 1037779)
How much for the install?

They have dropped labor down to $2,750. I have an outside shop that is willing to do it for $2,800

Emden 05-12-2015 07:19 PM

Oil Filter
 
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I attached a picture of the oil filter.

It is a Hengst oil filter.

Emden 05-12-2015 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trader4 (Post 1037782)
Well, there you have it. Despite certain folks here telling us for sure
that no BMW dealer would ever do that, it turns out they are willing
to install a used engine. I'm right again.

I don't know what they were talking about. BMW said right from the beginning that they would install a used engine. They even sent prices on different salvage places that they had used previously for other people.

Another dealer in Waukesha Wisconsin said the same thing. . .


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