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madbim 03-17-2017 01:47 PM

13' 35d DeNOx low efficiency
 
My 13' 35d has been throwing the following codes, I've cleared them and they continue to return after 100 or so miles.

DeNOx system efficiency efficiency at low - 004D18
DeNOx system efficiency: efficiency is too low in the range 1 - 0042FC

Does anyone have suggestions on where to start? I'm new to diesels and DEF.

daytonatrbo 03-17-2017 03:30 PM

The NOx catalyzer is in the mid pipe. There is a sensor before and after. I would suspect an issue with the post-catalyst sensor before I suspected an issue with the catalyzer itself. Assuming there are no codes for the urea injection.

madbim 03-17-2017 04:29 PM

No codes for urea, anyway to confirm the sensor is bad? I recently had a NOx sensor replaced under a recall, I'll have to find my paperwork to see which one it was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daytonatrbo (Post 1105155)
The NOx catalyzer is in the mid pipe. There is a sensor before and after. I would suspect an issue with the post-catalyst sensor before I suspected an issue with the catalyzer itself. Assuming there are no codes for the urea injection.


daytonatrbo 03-17-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madbim (Post 1105172)
No codes for urea, anyway to confirm the sensor is bad? I recently had a NOx sensor replaced under a recall, I'll have to find my paperwork to see which one it was.



INPA or another diagnostic tool with live data should be able to sample the sensors so you can see if it's just flatlined or gone out of range.

madbim 05-18-2017 03:43 PM

Continuing where we left off, I went to the dealer and they flushed and refilled the DEF & confirmed spray pattern was good. Today were getting an incorrect DEF fluid, 200 miles until no start. This is the first time I have gotten this error and it seems to be a result of the flush\refill, do I dare go back to the dealer? Anything I can do to confirm besides checking that they filled the fluid?

daytonatrbo 05-18-2017 03:51 PM

That error could easily be caused by the same sensors. I would insist that they replace the pre and post cat sensors if you have a warranty.

madbim 05-18-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daytonatrbo (Post 1109280)
That error could easily be caused by the same sensors. I would insist that they replace the pre and post cat sensors if you have a warranty.

I'll have to confirm the warranty status tonight.

daytonatrbo 05-18-2017 04:05 PM

Check out post #7 here:

Incorrect Exhaut Fluid Message! - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

daytonatrbo 05-18-2017 04:06 PM

Possibly is the catalyst. I guess they have been known to go bad. But I believe the sensors are much cheaper.

madbim 05-18-2017 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daytonatrbo (Post 1109285)
Possibly is the catalyst. I guess they have been known to go bad. But I believe the sensors are much cheaper.

That would be a heart breaker, any chance the SCR cat is covered under warranty?

ard 05-18-2017 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madbim (Post 1109286)
That would be a heart breaker, any chance the SCR cat is covered under warranty?

There ought to be a little pamphlet in your glove box called "the warranty"...perhaps give it a read?

Or go to BMWUSA and find it

daytonatrbo 05-18-2017 06:21 PM

There is an extended warranty and/or recall campaign. But I'm not up on the details.

madbim 05-18-2017 07:09 PM

Below are the codes I pulled with Carly.

DeNOx system efficiency efficiency at low
Code: 004D18

DeNOx system efficiency: efficiency is too low in the range 1
Code: 0042FC

sorry, unknown fault
Code: 0041F9

DFC
Code: 00474C

DFC
Code: 004748

madbim 05-20-2017 09:55 AM

Not in warranty, BMW is recommending NOX sensors. I did get Rheingold working last night and was able to read vehicle information. It sees the codes, I'm just not familiar with it enough on how to use this as a diagnostic tool. It seems the upstream NOX sensor is most likely the culprit based on others experiences, anyway I can confirm this via Rheingold before I drop 500-600 on the sensor?

Socale39 05-20-2017 10:33 AM

The DEF tanks are under an extended 10yr/120k warranty and if you are under 70k I believe the emission systems are covered under federal emission standards. If you are eligible I'd look into it before pulling out the wallet.

Badsmerf 05-20-2017 11:02 AM

I just had to have mine replaced. My rear nox sensor was bad, then the scr had to be replaced. Next time I'm removing it.

Very similar codes btw.

madbim 05-20-2017 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socale39 (Post 1109389)
The DEF tanks are under an extended 10yr/120k warranty and if you are under 70k I believe the emission systems are covered under federal emission standards. If you are eligible I'd look into it before pulling out the wallet.

I'm at 75k, I think some states mandate 8y/80k but I don't believe Wisconsin is one of them.

ard 05-20-2017 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madbim (Post 1109392)
I'm at 75k, I think some states mandate 8y/80k but I don't believe Wisconsin is one of them.


Why not read your warranty??????????????????

Federal coverage on the CAT is 8/80k

madbim 05-20-2017 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ard (Post 1109401)
Why not read your warranty??????????????????

Federal coverage on the CAT is 8/80k

I understand the cat would be covered, but it seems the dealer thinks the NOX sensors should be replaced next. I'm just trying to confirm this is a valid next step, and diag myself.

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Stockx5 05-20-2017 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madbim (Post 1109410)
I understand the cat would be covered, but it seems the dealer thinks the NOX sensors should be replaced next. I'm just trying to confirm this is a valid next step, and diag myself.

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I have heard that there is a good chance its not the sensors even when it says it is.

local guy wanted to buy my nox sensors but when he swapped the sensors with someone else with an x5 it still gave the code. can't remember what his codes where but it pointed to the nox sensors.

its confusing because the cat apparently has its own code that should go off but apparently it did not.

there could also be corrosion on the harness going to the nox, or not sure if this is possible but some said a bad battery could cause it.

so who really knows!

madbim 05-28-2017 09:14 AM

Replaced front nox sensor, still have the issue. Will be replacing rear sensor next.

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ingenieur 05-29-2017 11:11 AM

Did you or the dealer run the diagnostics for the SCR system?

Adblue quality test with a refractomer - must be 31.8 => 33.3 %

Check the metering valve for crystallized Adblue

Make sure the dosed quantity is right - perform the 50 minutes ISTA function test to check the NOx sensors and SCR catalyst efficiency?

kevinflynn 08-06-2017 09:10 AM

madbim,
Did you ever sort the cause of this code?? Seems I am going down the same path with my 2013 X5

madbim 08-06-2017 11:34 AM

replaced both Nox sensors, reset Adblue level went for drive on interstate.

kevinflynn 08-06-2017 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madbim (Post 1114026)
replaced both Nox sensors, reset Adblue level went for drive on interstate.

Thanks
will try that

madbim 08-06-2017 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevinflynn (Post 1114030)
Thanks
will try that

BMW just recently extended the warranty on NOX sensors you should check to see if your covered.

robnitro 08-06-2017 02:25 PM

Put your last 7 of your vin in here:
http://www.bmw-rp.com

Let us know if you have it, for my 2011 x5 35d it doesn't show nox?

daytonatrbo 08-07-2017 12:25 PM

I'll have some used NOx sensors available soon. I'm right in the middle of my delete.


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