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Overheating
So on a trip and currently headed home. I am about 4 hours away from home driving on the highway and get a message on the dash the car is hot and to drive slower or something like that. I get off within 1/2 mile and get the BimmerLink app up and check my temp. It is running about 243f i coast into a gas station. The temp keeps dropping. I decided to turn the heat on and see if I can get some water circulating through the heater core to drop the temp enough to check the coolant. The heater only is blowing cool air. After waiting until the temp is safe to check the levels, I find out it is a little low, maybe a little more than 1 qt. I add that and start the car and pull out of the station to see if it starts to get hot again. It climbs right back up to 240f as long as I give it any rpm about 1200. I stop again as to not damage the engine. It is still blowing cool air from the heater. I am guessing a thermostat failure. Any ideas? I am currently waiting to hear back from roadside to see about having it towed to the nearest dealer. Luckily that is only 5 miles from where I am located.
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I waited until it cooled down below 100f and then drove it 4 miles to a hotel. Temp didn’t get over 140. I am less than a mile from the bmw service center. I will drive it there first thing in the morning.
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If it is the 3.0l engine then electric water pump/thermostat and or electric engine cooling fan would be my first suspects.
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Thanks. The electric fan is Definitely working. It is keeping it from overheating at low rpm and low speeds. Not sure about the water pump. It might not be working correctly.
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Help everybody help you and tell us what you drive.
The E70 and beyond use an electric water pump which is prone to failure. How many miles on your vehicle and how many miles on your pump? You really need to keep track of the pump "age". |
I don’t know if it has ever been replaced. There is 93k on the car. I have had it since 89k
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Sorry I forgot to list the what it is... was a little stressed with the car packed and family setting along the highway asking what we are going to do.... 2013 x5 35i with the m sport package
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Nice!
Water pump/thermostat are a 60k failure item. There is even a class action lawsuit relating to this. Both of our 3.0L, electric water pump engines have had the cooling system freshened. The 2015 M Sport had a different design of pump so I guess the lawsuit must have prodded BMW in the right direction there. I would check around for an indy and buy the parts at FCP Euro to get their lifetime warranty. |
Well this sux... bmw is swamped and out of loaner cars for this week and most of next week. It will also be a few days before they can even look at it... stranded at the dealership. Battery dead on phone, and have to find a car to get to the hotel then one to get home...
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Overheating
This just keeps getting better and better. 0 car rentals in the entire Springfield Missouri area....
Currently plan looks like rent a uhual truck and I drive it home get our other car and drive back and pick up the family... Sent from my iPhone using Xoutpost.com |
Who did you try?
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Ok bmw is trying to squeeze it in and get me back on the road today. $1600 for the water pump. My warranty is willing to pay $850-$100 deductible. I am not going to fight the warranty today, but nowhere in my contract did it say they will only pay part of the cost of the repair. They also wanted to ship the part to the dealership, but agreed to cover up to $400 parts cost.
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We called every car rental place that came up in a google search of the area. We called Penske and uhual. Best we could do is pay like $700 for a 2 day rental of a truck. That would only get me home to my car, then I would have to drive back down and pick up the family and then drive back home. Now BWM says they can get it done today. It is going to cost me $900 or so out of pocket. They also said my expansion tank is leaking, but not bad. They said it would be fine to drive back to St. Louis. I will probably do it myself. They wanted $400 for it.
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When my wife's '13 was off the road and the indy eventually got his insurance involved we were told to get a rental. Local (Bolivar, MO) took 4 days to produce a RWD Nissan to fill the request for an AWD X5 equivalent. Reliable are reasonable to deal with and sound like they are taking care of you. It is not a big job despite what you may have been told. For a factory tech it should be done in an hour or so as my indy can do it in not much more.
Expansion tank take 15 minutes I have been told but am willing to be corrected. GL. |
I was told 1.5 hours for the expansion tank. But they are getting it done today which is great. They also said under further looking the expansion tank had to be replaced before it was driven. $2000 to get work done. Warranty is paying $750 better then nothing.
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OUCH! But you are getting on the road home today with your own car so a little glimmer of sunshine there. (Pun intended.)
Be prepared for a long list of "other" repair they think you need. We had the '01 in two years ago and they came out with $3700 worth of gasket repairs needed. $600 alone for the OFHG. I had mye indy do that $30 gasket and he charged $80 labor. They claimed I needed an OPG but he could not find any leaks at all. |
Yeah since renting the uhual or Penske was close to $700 due to availability, I would much rather pay the $2000 repair bill. If it would have happened around home I would probably have just done it myself. Oh well we were lucky. We were within a couple of miles from the hotel and only 5 miles from the bmw dealer when this happened. And the biggest right now I can afford to pay it. Not that I want to, but there have been times recently $2000 would have not been possible.
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Been there, could not afford the T-Shirt!
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I don't know what mileage your per year but keep the WP/TS in the back of your mind as you approach the magic failure number. Newer pumps are supposed to be better but..
I'm sure you and the family were relived to leave the Ozarks. Look out for the class action. You might be able to join it. Receipts are a must. |
Ok sounds good. Thanks for the advice. I talked to my nephew some who is a master mechanic at another dealership. He looked over what the dealer charged me and said he agreed with what they did. He thought the treated me very good and the price and labor/time was fair. He also thinks the warranty company was trying to put a generic water pump on it for the $330 they claimed they could get one. And they would only allow the dealer 3 hours to do the work. Dealer said it takes longer, even though my nephew says if everything goes good they can do it in 3 hours, but the correct flag time they should bid would be around 5 hours. That covers them when one takes longer....
Basically the warranty should have paid 5 hours labor at $140 per hour, and the $634 cost of the pump for a total of $1334- my $100 deductible. Instead they paid $850- my $100 deductible. My nephew recommended me to call my attorney tomorrow and let them review my contract and let them know what happened. It won’t cost me anything to do this, so I am going to see what they say. Also looking at the contract they should be paying the hotel stay and towing and rental car... couldn’t get a rental or a tow, so that is not relevant. To be fair I also have not submitted a claim for the hotel, so they may very well pay that when I do. It is not like they are going to call me and ask if there is anything else they can pay for.... Sent from my iPhone using Xoutpost.com |
^ Sorry to hear.
The rental car market is insane... with the covid brick wall, most car companies turned in their fleets of rentals...now, bad news. |
I have experienced "warranties" and came away with a bad taste in my mouth. They all seem to use a different parts price list completely different than the real world. They get away with it because it costs too much to file suit against them.
Reliable did not hurt you too badly for the parts and the labor is what you expect from a dealer. Five hours is the wonderful "book time" that they all use to make money. |
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