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Project STFU X5
I love the power, efficiency, reliability, and versatility of my diesel X5 but it's not perfect. My biggest complaints revolve around the poor ride quality and interior noise; the crackling, banging, and booms were driving me crazy and could really be an annoyance on an otherwise pleasant driving experience.
With the ride quality I experimented with a few different spring/strut combos and gains in ride quality were always marginal. I like my vehicles to have a clean stance with flush fitment and without excessive fender gap, that's just the way it is. After running Koni Red struts paired with Eibach springs I made the jump to KW V3s which I knew I would finally arrive at, I run them on my other vehicles and have been very pleased. They are an upgrade on the X5 but still not quite what I was hoping for in terms of comfort. I have them set to factory recommended settings which I haven't played around with, but will later. The ride is fairly firm but what really stood out is the transfer of sound when hitting stuff. The *bangs* and *booms* when hitting gaps in the road was really shocking. This led me down the path of trying to silence and minimize the intrusion of these noises into the cabin and therefore, sound deadening. I have done a bit of this back in the day when I had 2 12" Image Dynamics subs in my E39 M5. I am still a bass-head at heart but am not willing to sacrifice the cargo area storage in the X5 like I was with my M5. With the M5 I used some constrained layer dampener (CLD) tiles from the now retired SoundDeadenerShowdown.com to keep trunk rattle to a minimum. Flash forward to latter 2022 and sound deadening products have evolved into more refined, easier to work with, options for silencing the transfer of sound in different ways. The products I used were: Kilmat 80mil butyl/aluminum sheets Noico Red 315mil and Siless 315 and 157 mil closed cell foam JVCC Polyester felt tape (1mm x 3/4" x 75ft) Various foam/rubber weather stripping for door seals. 80% of this project was installing the Kilmat all places I had access to. I understand the Kilmat (CLD tiles) are mainly for absorbing vibrations and turning the sound into heat and originally I read you only need 30-40% coverage on flatter metal surfaces to be effective. However when seeing modern installs from "professionals" they cover all surfaces. Considering the amount of work to gut the interior I figured I would error on the side of excessiveness to cover everything, even if it meant more product and a longer install time. The E70 has a pretty thick foam under he carpet and the interior tolerances are tight so there isn't always room to install the closed cell foam, it was mainly added on the doors, cargo area, rear roof, and B/C/D pillars. Installing the felt tape was a bit tedious but really makes a big difference. With the interior torn apart I applied the tape to all areas where plastic trim pieces made contact with each other. My wife's 4M Q7 was a big inspiration for this project since the Audi has excellent sound insulation and cabin isolation in general. Both the Q7 and my in-laws X7 have robust weather stripping around the edge of the door, the X5 only had weather stripping around the inner seal (closer to the interior door sill as opposed to the outer edge of the door which seals between door when they are shut). I decided to copy this as much as I could on the X5, the thought is adding weather stripping between the doors gaps would help eliminate possible wind noise and also help dampen the door when being shut/slammed. So this was the scope of the project. I will continue to add deadening when I can, like felt tape on dash trim or add more Kilmat on the firewall if I pull the dash or engine, or on the transmission tunnel / underside of the floor with the trans, driveshaft, etc. removed. I am very happy with the results so far. Unfortunately I didn't take any DB reading so I don't have any quantitative before/after data but the X5 has a more "solid" feel and sound to it. There is still noticeable wind/road noise and in this regard it doesn't match the absolute isolation my wife's Q7 offers but I'm OK with this since a little road/wind noise isn't that annoying. It was the creaks, bangs, and booms which were the main objective and they are definitely muted. My favorite part of this project is the sound of the doors when being opened and shut. With the added weather stripping, Kilmat, and foam they now offer a vault like *fffump* which is much more solid than both the Q7 and X7. Honestly the door sound is now similar to high end luxury vehicles like Merc S-class, Bentley, RR. It's just so good IMO. The project was a lot of work but offered a lot of reward. The disassembly, cleaning, prep, installation, and reassembly just takes time, now way around it. You can do it in sections which helps break up the project. Ex, I first did the rear tailgate and some cargo area, did the doors in a second wave, and when I did the interior floor that turned into doing the floor, roof, pillars, firewall etc. since it makes sense to knock all of those out with the interior gutted. Here are some pics! Evan Rear wheel wells https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Outer door weather stripping Before https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 After https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Inner door weather stripping just around door panel https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Before/After inside view https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Rear hatch https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Rear seats out https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Treasure hunt https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Heavy seats https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Cargo time https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Wiring harness and foam pulled back https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 After https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 C and P pillar getting Kilmat https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 D pillar + closed cell foam https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 B pillar https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 B pillar trim https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Headliner down https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 OEM roof insulation https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Removed https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 + Kilmat https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 + Foam https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Checked pano roof drains while I was in there (this is how you know I also own an E61) lol https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Subwoofer ports https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Floor and firewall https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Time to start doing the trim https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 You done yet? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Center console was a beast https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 One of the biggest culprits for creaks and cracks coming from the cargo area. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Front seat trim https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Doors https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 So with an older battery and temps plummeting form the cold snap battery voltage dropped and my FRM module erased itself and consequently my windows wouldn't roll up and I needed to get the X5 out of the garage. I pulled out my DC power supply and found the electrical pins on the actuator so manually roll the windows up. Oliver helped. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 Cargo floor https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0 |
Great project…and dog. I had my headliner out early this year and should have put some sound proofing in, but was running way behind in getting the car back on the road. Short sighted of me.
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Invaluable and much appreciated information. I just ordered all of the supplies and will be tackling this project in the near future. The creaks and squeaks from the rear area has been an ongoing irritation and you have inspired me! I haven't attempted a headliner removal yet but I really want to mimic what you have accomplished. Nice work!
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Impressive work! I just replaced the battery on my e53 and solved some creaks with some strategically placed furniture felt surface savers. Not quite the same scope as your project, lol
Love your project companion / supervisor :thumbup: |
Do you by chance have any more information on the weatherstrip you used or a rough cross section dimension? I think I may have something already at the house for the area between the doors but I would appreciate any additional guidance on what was used on the doors closer to the interior since it sounds like you've experienced good results. Thanks!
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Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!
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Amazing project! Thanks for posting.
Quick question......do you have any idea how much weight you added during this project? |
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