Debating on X5 now or later...HELP
 

I want to know your thoughts if i should buy the 2007 X5 3.0si now or later. The reason being is that the 2008 may come out with the 335i twin turbo motor or should i buy now and wait for ESSTuning to get the supercharger? I'm aiming towards getting it now and wait for ESSTuning. Lmk what you think. Thanks in advanced.

m3aaron

I'm not much for aftermarket stuff - so I'd wait until the 3.5TT becomes vailable in the X5. Or, you could just get a 4.8L. By staying with a stock choice you get the factory warranty and trouble free (if not - they fix it and can't say it' some aftermarket problem). The 3.5 would be nice, but who knows when it's coming. I'm considering a 4.8, but have to wait for the dealer to get one for me to try.

:iagree: Well said. I would expect the 3.5 to be out in 2007.

who said the 2008 model will come with a twin turbo motor?

Well look at it this way...BMW had the 325/330(motors)..then it went 328/335(replacement motors). And didn't the 1st gen X5's have the 3.0 motor as the 330? I'm thinking that BMW will change the motor from the curent 3.0 motor to the 335 motor. BMW has a way of changing motors after the current models are out. Just my 2cents.

DAmn. if the X5 gets a twin turbo upgrade... I think i'd trade mine in instantly. Have you seen what people have gotten out of those engines?!

DAmn. if the X5 gets a twin turbo upgrade... I think i'd trade mine in instantly. Have you seen what people have gotten out of those engines?!

I'd wait. They almost have to come out with the TT in '08 (maybe spring of '07). In any case, I would avoid the SC. I've talked to several people who have them on other cars and they have issues (CEL's, etc).

I'll wait. Two years down the road there will be more options, and we'll see how the car performs.

If you're going to lease, I would say to try and wait a few months,the rates aren't great right now....Haven't heard anything about the bigger engine,your logic is certainly valid,but it's hard to say if it could happen by June '07 or even fall of '07...BMW usually keeps that pretty quiet till a month or 2 before they realease it since they don't want to hurt exsisting inventories........

I'd wait for sure now. DIESELS ARE COMING
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=177491

I suspect that BMW wants to bump the output of the v8 before they release the 3.0 turbo in the X5, or soon thereafter. The (true) output of the turbo is too close to the v8, so they'll need to do something to maintain a performance spread. Plus BMW will probably be boosting the turbo's output in a couple years. Yeah, progress is gooood!

I also seem to recall reading about a turbo v8 somewhere? Maybe for the "iS" version in a few years?

I have heard nothing about the 3.5L, has anyone actually heard they are going to do it? The new 3.0i is 270hp and isn't it brand new? Would you want a turbo on an suv?

I haven't heard anything about a twin turbo motor(335i) coming out for the X5. I don't want to spread any rumors. I was just thinking that it could come out since it has happen for the 335i. But if it does happen i wouldn't mind at all. At least i wouldn't have to worry about an aftermarket. Who knows, it might or might not happen.:thumbup:

The X5 would really benefit from it more than the 335i. Torque with the turbo jumps from about 225 to 300. At least that's what BMW rates it at. Some reviews have dynoed it from around 275 - 300 ft-lbs (and about the same HP) at the rear wheels, so speculation is that BMW's ratings are low by 5-10%. Anyway, IMHO a big heavy vehicle like the X5 needs the torque much more than the 3-series.

I haven't heard anything either - pure speculation, but consider BMW's past practices: The 3 Series coupe is the first to get the 3.5. Now the sedan has it. The 3 Sedan started with as a 328xi, now we're told the 3.5L will be available as a 335xi. It doesn't make sense that this motor won't carry over to the 530xi (making it a 535xi) as well as the X5. I guess time will tell.

On a related note, I'm still trying to understand why the 4.8L engine is in the X5 instead of the more powerful 5L engine from the 5 Series.

My guess is we will see a changeover to the 3.5L and the 5L (or whatever their actual displacements are) in the next year.

As for why would you want a turbo in an SUV? Firstly it's an SAV, which means it's not meant for off road use, so why not? What is the negative to a turbo in this vehicle that isn't a negative to it in the 3 series (335xi)? It is supposed to have good low end torque and plenty of HP (30 more than the 3.0, right?). I'm thinking it would be a good move, don't you?

Because X's are made in SC and the 5's are made in Germany. I doubt that BMW wants to add cost by shipping the engines to SC.

The 550 has a 4.8L AND NOT 5L (SAME ENGINE ONLY MODIFIED FOR X5)

It is quite common for the same engine to be rated at slightly different HP's in different cars (this 4.8L is rated 360 HP in the 550i and 350 HP in the X5), as the intake and exhaust systems affect HP, which are obviously different on different cars.

During a visit to the SC plant, when the Z3's were in production and the X5 was under raps, (they would not let us into that area) engines and transmissions were shipped from Germany. Is BMW now building engines in the US ?

Thanks for clearing that up.

Don't you think 60HP is enough of a difference (once they give the 4.8 the same hp as in the 5 series)?

i think X5 3.0 will be like e90 3.0
1 year run then upped to 335i huge hp/tq increase almost same price
not to mention 328 (3.0 ltr with higher hp) for less than e90 3.0
i'm guessing anyone with e90 3.0 is kicking themselves right about now

so just be a little patient, it's still waaaay too early into production to just jump on it

The 5 series for 08/09 will get the turbo motor, it will be the 535i, so its quite possible for the X5 to get it.

The 550i uses a 4.8L and the 335ic uses a 3.0L engine. I wouldn't expect the N54 engine in the 335ic to make it to the X5 until at least 2 years from now or until the first facelift of the E70. This is somewhat going off the precedent set by the E90.

BMW is cunning in that every 2-3 years they either upgrade engines or facelift to keep the consumer interested.

Don't you think 60HP is enough of a difference (once they give the 4.8 the same hp as in the 5 series)?

If the I6 turbo engine was really 300HP, then I'd agree that 60HP is a good spread. However from reviews it appears that the true HP and torque are both closer to 330. That would make the spread about 30HP and 30 ft-lbs, which for me would not justify an additional 8-10k, especially when you factor in the additional weight of the v8.

The 335 engine is not a 3.5L, it is just a 3.0L motor with twin turbos.

I would wait for a while because the new x5 will come out with some problems like most cars do. They will also add some more extras to the car later on. And the 01-06 x5s are good enough at the moment

Farewell for Now :(
 

This Thread is as good as any ....

Well after (2) E53's, I put a deposit down in May 2006 for a new and anticipated E70 4.8i and have been patiently waiting ......:banghead:

Have done the daily searches .... and I mean daily !!! .... contributed to the X5world forum ... read all the BMW news bulletins and Test Drive Reports ... waited for the Cdn options and associated price lists ... waited for the Cdn Lease rates + Residuals .... Touched the new E70 ... sat in it ... glared at it ... test drove it ... even took the wifey along for the experience .... BUT negotiated to no avail .....!ouch: .

My Production Delivery schedule = initially Oct ... then early Nov ... then .... US Thanksgiving ... then week 48 ... then week 50 ... now scheduled after Xmas into 2007 .... then who knows ??????????????????

My last E53 Lease expired in the summer 2006 ... extended my lease until Aug and paid thru the nose .... and can you believe it that I've been driving a "rental" car since the beginning of Sept and waiting !ouch: .... talk about loyal or should I say stupid !!!

Well today after looking at ALL the facts ($$$ and the Canadian "Rape-Me" Lease costs) .... Guess what ... I cancelled my order and picked up my deposit :mad: ...

I've decided that I will drive my wife's 2006 X3 and lease her an NEW alternative 4x4 to house our (3) teenage sons and all their ski equipment ... and wait for the cooling off "rape-me" period of the new E70.

Honestly ... Many Thanks to LeMansX5, SARAFIL, Scott27 and the entire X5world forum for all your help and guidance ... Glad I found you all ... A truly fruitful learning experience :2thumbs:

PS: I'm now vaporizing over to the X3 forum.

Best Wishes to all of you over the Festive Season and Good Luck in 2007 and also to the 1st .. X5world owner of a spanking new E70 :goodluck:

Bo, sorry to hear of all the problems. You are not the only one. I too have had similar experience with my order, dates being changed, no information on hitch availability, etc, etc. I to have sold my previous vehicle in antisipation and based on dealer information which changes more than the diaper on my 15 month old daughter. But here's the real kicker....I planned on purchasing the 4.8 fully loaded, paying 85% cash and financing the rest over 3 years through business arrangements so i could expense some of the cost. Happily complied with BMW finance requirement for information. It has been 2 weeks and they still cant' make a decision. Now they want me to co-sign for a lousy 18 grand. Provided them with what they asked for, still they can't make a decision. Lack of credit information they say. MMMM,Duh, I have a very profitable company, debt free, cash rich, internal finance, no outstanding liabilities, solid growth and profit, and personally debt free, a couple of properties, very financially secure etc. But no bad debt or outstanding debt. Now they have the nads to ask for property tax information. That was it for me. What kind of bean counter and people do they have working there? This was a no brainer for them. A grade 5 student could figure this one out:rolleyes:. I am cancelling my order i say...no wait they say give us a day to resolve.....resolve what I say? Next they will want to send out the BMW company Proctologist to look up my #$%?. No thanks. Maybe they should change thier slogan to "Ultimate Buying Experience":dunno: CANCELLED. Give me my money back I'll go buy from a company that respects and appreciates my business and wants to keep the customer happy. Owner Privileges BMW??? I've experienced it. BMW ownership advantage? I am happy i don't have to experience that either!:throw:

The high rates and no discounts are discouraging us as well (my wife is in the market to trade in here 2002 E53). We really need the third row (as tiny as it is to stick the kids, both under 7) when we have out of town guests. We are starting to look at other vehicles. Anyone have any suggestions as to what else to look at?

Perhaps the MDX comes closest but without the appeal. You can probably lease it for quite a bit cheaper also. The Q7 is still there but priced similarly to the X5 in lease rates I would gather.

I work for a BMW dealership and the 535i's will be out 2nd quarter next year.

Rolling on the floor, Laughing my ass off!:rofl:

Bo:

Thanks for all the X5 information you have provided! Sorry it did not work out for you. I think I will wait a year and see what happens with pricing etc.

the couple 3L's I drove felt adequate but nothing compared to the 4

i think that if you went for the 4.8L instead of waiting and then supercharging you'd be happier sooner and under warranty