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radel 05-28-2007 10:42 PM

E70, Backup Camera Issue After Software Upgrade
 
I am having a more frequent Backup camera problem after my software was upgraded to 25.1.2. The screen went blank when I put the car in Reverse. A screen appears showing the Camera Display is Off when I pressed the I-Drive. Anybody seen this issue?

trueX5er 05-28-2007 11:01 PM

My backup cam is screwed up, too. I have it set off, but every so often I turn it on, and I either get a blank screen, a camera logo in the display, or a weird looking screen, with messed colors. I haven't done the update yet, b/c the parking sensors work flawlessly, so no need to get cam fixed.

radel 05-29-2007 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by trueX5er
My backup cam is screwed up, too. I have it set off, but every so often I turn it on, and I either get a blank screen, a camera logo in the display, or a weird looking screen, with messed colors. I haven't done the update yet, b/c the parking sensors work flawlessly, so no need to get cam fixed.

Thanks for your update. I wonder if anybody else is having Backup Camera issue. It is really more of an annoyance than a real big problem because it sometimes work. Although, the issue is more pronounced now that I got the software upgraded.

Mr. Mercedes 05-29-2007 05:20 PM

Why is the backup camera COMPLETELY useless at night? And why can't the system be set up to show both the parking display and the camera? Because of these two issues the camera is a complete waste and the parking display a faaar better option.

Big_Dog_X5 05-29-2007 07:02 PM

I agree, in my wifes Lexus the camera is at least twice the resolution and works great off the reverse lights in the pitch black. I am thinking of swapping the cameras (they look almost identical) and see if it is the camera that is the problem. The lexus also has the car image and park sensor response showing in the corner of the camera screen. This should be a simple fix for BMW to do similar seeing that there is a split screen to start with.

radel 05-29-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mercedes
And why can't the system be set up to show both the parking display and the camera? Because of these two issues the camera is a complete waste and the parking display a faaar better option.

You can have the PDC and the Camera show both at the same time. It depends on how you set them up. This is the setting I am using. I agree that the Backup Camera is pretty much useless in a pitch black night.

Mr. Mercedes 05-29-2007 07:44 PM

Really? Would you know how to set it up this way?

Big_Dog_X5 05-29-2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by radel
You can have the PDC and the Camera show both at the same time. It depends on how you set them up. This is the setting I am using.

Are you sure?? if so, please explain how you show the PDC image and the camera view image together at the same time??

X5FX 05-29-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by radel
You can have the PDC and the Camera show both at the same time. It depends on how you set them up. This is the setting I am using. I agree that the Backup Camera is pretty much useless in a pitch black night.

You can not have the PDC graphic screen and the camera at the same time.

radel 05-29-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by X5FX
You can not have the PDC graphic screen and the camera at the same time.

Please refer to this link http://www.xoutpost.com/pdf/e70/05c2_...w%20Camera.pdf which will show you both the PDC and the Camera on at the same time. You may lso refer to pages 81-83 of the manual for detail setup instructions.

X5FX 05-29-2007 09:18 PM

The "PDC" screen we are refering to is shown on page 81 of the manual, between #5 and #6.

The PDC screen can not be set to display at the same time as the rear camera.
What are you refering to is the overlay options...does not work as well as the PDC.

Big_Dog_X5 05-29-2007 09:53 PM

I think he is refering to the PDC audible beeping and camera together. We want the PDC car image showing on the screen on one side and the live images from the rear camera showing on the other. I't can't be done with the current software configuration.

radel 05-29-2007 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Dog_X5
I think he is refering to the PDC audible beeping and camera together. We want the PDC car image showing on the screen on one side and the live images from the rear camera showing on the other. I't can't be done with the current software configuration.

Yes, I was referring to the PDC audible beeping and the camera together.

AleX5 05-30-2007 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by radel
Yes, I was referring to the PDC audible beeping and the camera together.

Hi,

fortunately, otherwise the camera would be even more useless than it already is.

I am viewing now the PDC display. Sadly the E70´s camera is far away from E53´s. No idea why they changed.

Ciao
Alex

Dhalver Xeno 05-30-2007 06:25 AM

Has anyone figured out a quick way to alternate between the PDC screen and the backup camera? Without having to go through all the iDrive menu selections? Generally given the choice between the two screens I prefer the PDC screen, but in those rare instances when I do want the backup camera instead it's usually too much of a hassle to dig into the iDrive menus to change it and unfortunately you can't program any of the memory/direct select buttons for it...

skarletknite 05-31-2007 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by radel
I am having a more frequent Backup camera problem after my software was upgraded to 25.1.2. The screen went blank when I put the car in Reverse. A screen appears showing the Camera Display is Off when I pressed the I-Drive. Anybody seen this issue?

have u taken it back to the dealer? i took mine in to get the software upgrade (bmw manhattan) and told them about this issue. they did not believe me - until after the upgrade. they are having trouble with it. its been 2 full days now and its not fixed.

has anyone had it fixed?

radel 05-31-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by skarletknite
have u taken it back to the dealer? i took mine in to get the software upgrade (bmw manhattan) and told them about this issue. they did not believe me - until after the upgrade. they are having trouble with it. its been 2 full days now and its not fixed.

has anyone had it fixed?

I brought it in to JMK BMW Again yesterday. The tech tested it with me for a good 20 minutes but could not duplicate the issue. He took the car and performed a diagnostics. Twenty mins later, I was told that there was a loose cable and it was fixed. Today it was working all day till I get home. The screen flickered for about 2 minutes when I put the gear in Reverse then it displayed a hazy green screen then went totally blank. This is really annoying. I will bring the car to Circl BMW at Eatontown and hope they can fix the car there. I will NEVER EVER go back to JMK BMW.

pvandam 06-01-2007 02:56 AM

Not having Rear View Camera and PDC together is indeed very annoying, I've also noted that when having my demo for 1 day.
The interesting thing is that the manual on http://www.xoutpost.com/pdf/e70/05c2_...w%20Camera.pdf
describes something special which I have NOT seen working in my demo:


Obstacle Markings


Obstacle markings shown in the real camera image are partly transparent overlays true to scale of the obstacle detected by the PDC.
The obstacle distribution in the area behind the vehicle is shown as a 3D graphic. Its form, position and color depend on the distance
to each of the four PDC sensors in the bumper. Through corresponding visualization with form and color, the way the obstacle markings
are represented gives the driver a spatial perspective of the obstacle distribution about the area behind the vehicle.
The view corresponds to the virtual PDC view.

If this would work well (but I have not seen this in my demo), it could be a good alternative.

On the other hand, it doesn't solve the problem when you move forward, you are then still missing the Front PDC visual/graphical display.

The suggestion from Dhalver Xeno is actually also something I tried to do, and would also be a good "Solution" but indeed this doesn't work.

The Rear view camera seems more of a pain than an aid....

radel 06-01-2007 09:13 AM

The interesting thing with this Backup Camera is that it always works the first time I used it in the morning to back out of the garage. However, after drving for at least 10-20 minutes is when I will start seeing the flickering/blank screen issue which sometimes gives out a Camera malfunction error display.

X5FX 06-01-2007 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvandam
Not having Rear View Camera and PDC together is indeed very annoying, I've also noted that when having my demo for 1 day.
The interesting thing is that the manual on http://www.xoutpost.com/pdf/e70/05c2_...w%20Camera.pdf
describes something special which I have NOT seen working in my demo:


Obstacle Markings


Obstacle markings shown in the real camera image are partly transparent overlays true to scale of the obstacle detected by the PDC.
The obstacle distribution in the area behind the vehicle is shown as a 3D graphic. Its form, position and color depend on the distance
to each of the four PDC sensors in the bumper. Through corresponding visualization with form and color, the way the obstacle markings
are represented gives the driver a spatial perspective of the obstacle distribution about the area behind the vehicle.
The view corresponds to the virtual PDC view.

If this would work well (but I have not seen this in my demo), it could be a good alternative.

On the other hand, it doesn't solve the problem when you move forward, you are then still missing the Front PDC visual/graphical display.

The suggestion from Dhalver Xeno is actually also something I tried to do, and would also be a good "Solution" but indeed this doesn't work.

The Rear view camera seems more of a pain than an aid....

This is a very nice feature that I use every DAY...of course at night the camera is black so it does not do much good.

skarletknite 06-01-2007 07:49 PM

so got mine back and the backup camera is no longer full screen. did this happen to anyone?

X5FX 06-01-2007 08:10 PM

check your options

skarletknite 06-02-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by X5FX
check your options

exactly right, thanks. that setting is not easy to find, though. took mine to get software update because i hade a 'dynamic drive' failure. got it back yest, hit a pothole today, got the same error. last time i got it, i used bmw assist and bmw told me i likely needed a software update. so today after the failure, i shut off the engine, started it up again and the error was gone.


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