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jamesboags 09-07-2007 11:07 PM

Runflat punctured !
 
Well got in my car today starting driving and got the Low Pressure chime.. thought it must be a malfunction.. checked the rear tire and there is a medium sized screw in it !!.. 1700 kms on it !!!.... Have ordered a new one.. although annoyed... I am impressed with the tire pressure sensors !!!

X5FX 09-07-2007 11:21 PM

what brand tire?

My Michelin was covered under warranty for a puncture, there is an additional warranty on the run-flats that covers road hazzard and punctures.

BTW- depending on where the puncture is, you might be able to plug it.

jamesboags 09-07-2007 11:25 PM

Not aware of any warranty in Australia for punctures.. it is a Continental.. also BMW will not permt it to be reapaired.. in fact BMW will not even allow changeover to non runflats as they say it will void your warranty !!!

trueX5er 09-07-2007 11:34 PM

I have the Bridgestone RFT, and it has no punctures yet, while the Pirelli's on my other car (non-rft) have had 2 punctures in the past two weeks.

X5FX 09-07-2007 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesboags
Not aware of any warranty in Australia for punctures.. it is a Continental.. also BMW will not permt it to be reapaired.. in fact BMW will not even allow changeover to non runflats as they say it will void your warranty !!!

search Continental website for your tires warranty. My dealer said it was not covered, I even showed him the warranty and he still said it was not covered...so I wiped out my cell phone, called Michelin and put the dealer on the phone. New tire was free!

HOiYA 09-07-2007 11:58 PM

Runflat punctured !
 
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Originally Posted by X5FX
search Continental website for your tires warranty. My dealer said it was not covered, I even showed him the warranty and he still said it was not covered...so I wiped out my cell phone, called Michelin and put the dealer on the phone. New tire was free!

Anyone know if Bridgestone RFT have the same warranty? Couldn't find any details on the Bridgestone site.

Fastbuck 09-08-2007 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesboags
Well got in my car today starting driving and got the Low Pressure chime.. thought it must be a malfunction.. checked the rear tire and there is a medium sized screw in it !!.. 1700 kms on it !!!.... Have ordered a new one.. although annoyed... I am impressed with the tire pressure sensors !!!

I had a similar experience with my Dunlop 20 " runflats at 2000 miles. Dealer at first told me that they could not be repaired. I told them that I heard that these were 4th generation runflats and that they WERE repairable. I asked them to check with Dunlop techincal support, they eventually confirmed that they were indeed repairable and fixed it FOC.

X5 Guy 09-08-2007 08:08 AM

There is another thread here that talks about warranty.

The tires are covered for like two years if the are punctured. FREE replacement and mounting!!!! But not through BMW.

I did not know and used my alternate tire warranty.. Ouch!! Cost me about $300

marcx5 09-08-2007 09:08 AM

tire pressure monitors are nice, but another example of BMW being late in the technology game... they have been available on other cars for years. and even today, the BMW version only tells you when the pressure is low... when most other systems SHOW you the pressure PSI level so you can fill it up and keep them even as you choose. i don't understand why bmw doesn't display the actual pressure.

X5 Guy 09-08-2007 10:28 AM

True.... It would be nice to know how low the tire is... and do I need to change it or go top it off.

dkl 09-08-2007 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by marcx5
tire pressure monitors are nice, but another example of BMW being late in the technology game... they have been available on other cars for years. and even today, the BMW version only tells you when the pressure is low... when most other systems SHOW you the pressure PSI level so you can fill it up and keep them even as you choose. i don't understand why bmw doesn't display the actual pressure.

That's because BMW doesn't mount anything inside their wheels. They just use the speed sensor from the ABS system to sense the possible flat. Under inflated tires rotate at a slightly different speed than fully inflated tires.

marcx5 09-08-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dkl
That's because BMW doesn't mount anything inside their wheels. They just use the speed sensor from the ABS system to sense the possible flat. Under inflated tires rotate at a slightly different speed than fully inflated tires.

that's even more proof that BMW took the cheap way out and provided less technology that other, less expensive cars are offering.

it would be so much better if we could see actual pressures so we knew which ones to adjust and fill up. if they all started getting low, which certainly happens over time... then we'd never know it because as you said, the ABS system only measures differences. stupid.

chonko 09-08-2007 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesboags
Not aware of any warranty in Australia for punctures.. it is a Continental.. also BMW will not permt it to be reapaired.. in fact BMW will not even allow changeover to non runflats as they say it will void your warranty !!!

That is the biggest croak of utter rubbish from BMW.
I am sure you are being taken for a ride by BMW Australia or the dealership.
I will suggest you call BMW to verify such claims.
I have had two puncture with my RFT, and had both of them repaired till I changed them out after 30K miles two months ago.
So, yes you can repair RFT tires long as you have about 18-22 psi tire pressure.
Yes, you can also change out the tires without voiding the warranty.

dkl 09-08-2007 03:27 PM

If you read the warranty booklet, most automakers will tell you that the tires are warranteed by the tire manufacturers.

smv 09-08-2007 07:35 PM

Is it me or does your car paint have a problem? Why there is so much difference between the rear door color and and the rear fender? Pls let me know as I had a terrible experience lately with my dealer and refused delivery of the car because of that exact same difference. He claimed it was from BMW, I was 100% sure the side was damaged and resprayed. To end the story I am taking delivery of another one soon. BTW, all this on Space Grey....

rufusdedog 09-08-2007 08:10 PM

My Space Gray's paint is uniform. No color difference on any panel.

jamesboags 09-08-2007 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chonko
That is the biggest croak of utter rubbish from BMW.
I am sure you are being taken for a ride by BMW Australia or the dealership.
I will suggest you call BMW to verify such claims.
I have had two puncture with my RFT, and had both of them repaired till I changed them out after 30K miles two months ago.
So, yes you can repair RFT tires long as you have about 18-22 psi tire pressure.
Yes, you can also change out the tires without voiding the warranty.

I have heard Dunlops can be repaired other brands not.. I'll call BMW to confirm as this was from the tire dealer, the tire dealer also said the tire manufacturer would not warranty the tire if this happened as well !!... Note that In Australia I have not heard of tire insurance and warranty is limited to defects in manufacturing only.. not if you get a puncture from a object not related to manufacture... I'll check it out....

JCL 09-09-2007 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesboags
I have heard Dunlops can be repaired other brands not.. I'll call BMW to confirm as this was from the tire dealer, the tire dealer also said the tire manufacturer would not warranty the tire if this happened as well !!... Note that In Australia I have not heard of tire insurance and warranty is limited to defects in manufacturing only.. not if you get a puncture from a object not related to manufacture... I'll check it out....

I had no problems getting my Bridgestone RFT fixed, as I knew it had not been driven with under 22 psi (which was the danger point according to my tire dealer).

The Continental Tire website specifically says that their RFTs can not be repaired. I would tend to believe the tire manufacturer.

jamesboags 09-11-2007 07:40 PM

Update..

Two weeks wait on the Continental Runflat - none in the country :tsk: ... sound familiar ? The tyre has been repaired in the meantime.. unofficially I should order the new runflat.. which is around $800 AUD.. based on the driving I did when flat i.e about 5 km prior to reinflating , and the inspection of the tyre by the repairer I may well not order the tyre and leave as is...but of course that is not what I will do of course :smokin:

chonko 09-11-2007 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesboags
Update..

Two weeks wait on the Continental Runflat - none in the country :tsk: ... sound familiar ? The tyre has been repaired in the meantime.. unofficially I should order the new runflat.. which is around $800 AUD.. based on the driving I did when flat i.e about 5 km prior to reinflating , and the inspection of the tyre by the repairer I may well not order the tyre and leave as is...but of course that is not what I will do of course :smokin:

I am glad you were able to repair it.
If I may humbly suggest, please order a non RFT and wheel and keep it in the garage to serve as a temproary replacement should you have a flat in the future.
That was what I did with mine till I replaced the tyres.

StumpyPete 10-01-2007 08:16 AM

I got the dreaded TPWS boing yesterday. Bridgestone RFT with damage on it quite close to the sidewall. Looking at it, I suspect it will need to be replaced. Only question is how long will I have to wait to get one!

jamesboags 10-02-2007 08:02 AM

I got mine repaired.... even though I should get a new one... well guess what I ain't gonna.. hopefully for you they either can repair it or have them in stock... it is no use to me for BMW to say you can't repair them when it's a two week wait for a new one because there is no stock... !!!

Denalio 10-02-2007 09:58 AM

You can repair them as long as it is not the sidewall and they use a special high heat repair kit and compound specifically designed for runflats. Here in Canada it will run you $100.00.

radel 10-02-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Denalio
You can repair them as long as it is not the sidewall and they use a special high heat repair kit and compound specifically designed for runflats. Here in Canada it will run you $100.00.

I just brought in mine at JMK BMW with a puncture one of the grove and was told by the SA that they DO NOT Repair RTF. I was told that I need to purchase a new one, cost $335 including mounting for an 18' rim. Good thing I have tire insurance. But I don't understand why dealership keeps telling people that they cannot repair RTF when people here in the forum were able to have their RTF repaired? Is this their way of making money or repaired RTF poses risk?

Denalio 10-02-2007 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by radel
I just brought in mine at JMK BMW with a puncture one of the grove and was told by the SA that they DO NOT Repair RTF. I was told that I need to purchase a new one, cost $335 including mounting for an 18' rim. Good thing I have tire insurance. But I don't understand why dealership keeps telling people that they cannot repair RTF when people here in the forum were able to have their RTF repaired? Is this their way of making money or repaired RTF poses risk?

No, BMW does not reccommend repairing the tire, probably a liability issue. However, the manufacture does say that it can be repaired if the guidelines are followed. A special vulcanizing procedure is required. Call around in your area to some reputable tire dealers and ask if the are "Certified" by the manufacturer to repair the run-flat. If the puncture is larger than 3/16" this may pose a safety issue. If you have tire insurance it is easier just to change the tire for the dealer. Most dealers are not even aware that they can be repaired. The other thing to remember is that to dis-mount and re-mount the tire requires special equipment so make sure the tire dealer has this equipment or they may damage the tire and rims.

StumpyPete 10-02-2007 02:17 PM

Damage was right on the edge of the tread, so no alternative but to replace it. 211 GBP, (about 425 USD) - I have decided to keep a spare in my garage just in case!

Denalio 10-02-2007 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by StumpyPete
Damage was right on the edge of the tread, so no alternative but to replace it. 211 GBP, (about 425 USD) - I have decided to keep a spare in my garage just in case!

Ya, that's a replacement! Take no chances.

radel 10-02-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by radel
I just brought in mine at JMK BMW with a puncture one of the grove and was told by the SA that they DO NOT Repair RTF. I was told that I need to purchase a new one, cost $335 including mounting for an 18' rim. Good thing I have tire insurance. But I don't understand why dealership keeps telling people that they cannot repair RTF when people here in the forum were able to have their RTF repaired? Is this their way of making money or repaired RTF poses risk?

Update!!! My SA told me that my tire insurance will fully cover the tire replacement and mounting charges so I do not have to shell out anything. On a side note, I called a local STS tire here in NJ and was told that they can fix the Bridgestone RFT as long as the puncture is on the grove and not on the sidewall. Repair charge = $35. So I told my SA that I am keeping the old tire and will bring it to STS for repair. I will use it as a backup/reserve.


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