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marcx5 09-11-2007 01:32 PM

X6 revealed at auto show. thoughts on this vs. x5??
 
i was thinking of getting a 2008 x5.... but just looked at the pictures from the Frankfurt auto show which revealed the 2009 X6.... it looks awesome, quite large and strong presence. very slick, masculine, etc.....

any thoughts on this vs the x5?

i understand it's a cross over vs. SUV, however, not sure the difference is actually 'that' great.... they could have same ground clearance... in which case, only real difference is, how much more does the x5 really hold? if not 'significant'... the x6 might be a better choice.

anyone find any interior pictures??

Wagner 09-11-2007 01:33 PM

Price difference will be 'noticeable' and the vehicles probably don't appeal to the same buyer, for instance I like the X5 over the X6 because the X5 resembles Euro design, IMO, where as the X6 looks Asian :)

IMO.

LeMansX5 09-11-2007 01:35 PM

Interior pics will not be out till next month as its concept at this point.

X6 is four seater only. Its 10 cm lower than X5.

We have X6 forum here. Did you see this thread of X6 pics and info? The PDF there shows actual measurements of X6

marcx5 09-11-2007 01:49 PM

thanks, hadn't seen that thread until now.

interesting thing i read is that the x6 is longer and wider than the x5.... so maybe it will have somewhat comparable cargo space. the x5 is not nearly as sleak looking... darn, too bad the x6 isn't out NOW! hmmm... what to do.

golfer4life 09-11-2007 01:57 PM

Sorry, not for me. I've been a big fan of the X5 when they first came out and will continue to love X5. That's why I was glad that the E70 still has the similar look of an E53. I'm sure the X6 will attract a different market of buyers, like the same group of people who likes the Infinity FX45 and such. Not to be rude but the shape kind of reminds me of the old AMC Eagle vehicles. IMHO.

TRAINER 09-11-2007 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcx5
so maybe it will have somewhat comparable cargo space.

The cargo space is MUCH less than your X5. I sat in the X6 at a focus group. Did I mention the limited head room in the rear too!

The 3 series sedan feels much more roomy than the X6 in almost every way.

LeMansX5 09-11-2007 04:19 PM

X6 is not intended to be a family car/people mover. Its more a fun car/SAC.

peakpro 09-11-2007 07:02 PM

based of exterior photos seen so far...i'll pass....

marcx5 09-11-2007 07:12 PM

the rear lights look so much better than the rear of an x5

MD11F 09-12-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
for instance I like the X5 over the X6 because the X5 resembles Euro design, IMO, where as the X6 looks Asian :)

IMO.

Amen... I hope BMW and MB don't go the way of the Buick look that has set into so many makers design bag lately!

vinuneuro 09-12-2007 01:10 AM

"the X6 will command a clear premium over the second-generation X5, which starts at $45,900 and rises to $54,500."

We'll see how much extra people are willing to (or not) pay for basically zero utility, and worse performance than a BMW sedan or wagon. The E70 will get the new diff in 2009 or 2010 which will even the performance out.

Wagner right that BMW has gone too Asian with this thing, which isn't good considering the new Acura's & co aren't that great. Overall, it's pretty ugly to my eye, but that rear hatch seals the deal. E70 is def the good looking one.

Btw, I don't get BMW's marketing. SAC: very low utility, decent performance. Wasn't that the E53?

/X6 bashing

NOVAX5 09-12-2007 01:37 AM

the active hybrid wheels make me feel dizzy.

HOiYA 09-12-2007 02:26 AM

I don't know... I might be in the minority. I kind of like the look of it.

canamx5 09-12-2007 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinuneuro
"the X6 will command a clear premium over the second-generation X5, which starts at $45,900 and rises to $54,500."

We'll see how much extra people are willing to (or not) pay for basically zero utility, and worse performance than a BMW sedan or wagon. The E70 will get the new diff in 2009 or 2010 which will even the performance out.

Wagner right that BMW has gone too Asian with this thing, which isn't good considering the new Acura's & co aren't that great. Overall, it's pretty ugly to my eye, but that rear hatch seals the deal. E70 is def the good looking one.

Btw, I don't get BMW's marketing. SAC: very low utility, decent performance. Wasn't that the E53?

/X6 bashing

:iagree: I don't get the demographics for the X6, esp. at the 80k level.

xnsf 09-12-2007 04:38 AM

I think it's the gimmick of having something nobody has. Personally, I like cars that "strange." I'm sure i'm not the only one that feels that way.

let them pick between a family oriented 7 seater X5, and a more radical car for "fun"

you've gotta admit, that the X6 has a lot of personality

LeMansX5 09-12-2007 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinuneuro
"the X6 will command a clear premium over the second-generation X5, which starts at $45,900 and rises to $54,500."

We'll see how much extra people are willing to (or not) pay for basically zero utility, and worse performance than a BMW sedan or wagon. The E70 will get the new diff in 2009 or 2010 which will even the performance out.

Wagner right that BMW has gone too Asian with this thing, which isn't good considering the new Acura's & co aren't that great. Overall, it's pretty ugly to my eye, but that rear hatch seals the deal. E70 is def the good looking one.

Btw, I don't get BMW's marketing. SAC: very low utility, decent performance. Wasn't that the E53?

/X6 bashing

X6 is not a utility vehicle, and not meant to be either. What makes you say that it is has "worse performance than BMW sedan or wagon"? on a car which has not even entered the market and nobody outside of BMW has driven it. X6 uses lot of new technology which improves upon technology used in E70 X5 to improve performance. As far as performance is concerned its better than E70 X5. Backup your comments?

The new tech in X6 will move to X5 at facelift time.
Quote:

Originally Posted by canamx5
:iagree: I don't get the demographics for the X6, esp. at the 80k level.

BMW is not expecting to sell X6 by huge numbers. X6 is to X5 what 6-series is to 5-series. There is demographics for 6-series. And 6-series does not sell by huge numbers.

I have visited several BMW forums worldwide since X6 pics release and it appears that Europeans just love the X6. Not a single negative comment. Even from those who did not like the new M3.

Not everbody likes the 6-series. Not most buy 6-series. ;)

cmyX6go 09-12-2007 06:04 AM

I'm the target market. I agree with LeMans, it's a cross between an X5 and a 6er. I get the AWD and the higher seating of the X5 with the sporty look and feel of a 6er. I don't need seating for 5 or lots of cargo space. I want a sports car with AWD....I'm a happy camper. Thank you BMW.

Dubai_86 09-12-2007 06:20 AM

the x6 and x5 and totally different vehicles
although i like the look of the x6, i just like the x5 more.
i love the front of the x6, not so much the rear.
i know it's gonna do great in the market, dubai atleast.

X5Jay 09-12-2007 07:31 AM

I'm with L & L - I think it looks great - especially the ass end!

vinuneuro 09-12-2007 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMansX5
X6 is not a utility vehicle, and not meant to be either. What makes you say that it is has "worse performance than BMW sedan or wagon"? on a car which has not even entered the market and nobody outside of BMW has driven it. X6 uses lot of new technology which improves upon technology used in E70 X5 to improve performance. As far as performance is concerned its better than E70 X5. Backup your comments?

Common sense: center of gravity. Formula One cars, supercars, etc aren't barely off the ground because it looks cool.

ryan5446 09-12-2007 01:32 PM

After seeing the pictures I saw it it " live" today. I was very surprised. Yes it has that Mitsubishi "Dakar-style" look from the side. But seeing it in the flesh, it is quite a big vehicle. At least it looks the size of the X5. By looking this big, I forgot about the Asian style immediately(sorry for the bad English). It is really BMW design. For me as a car and BMW fan/driver, I thought it was one of the highlights of the motorshow.

Boston X5 4.4 09-12-2007 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmyX5go
I'm the target market. I agree with LeMans, it's a cross between an X5 and a 6er. I get the AWD and the higher seating of the X5 with the sporty look and feel of a 6er. I don't need seating for 5 or lots of cargo space. I want a sports car with AWD....I'm a happy camper. Thank you BMW.

:thumbup: +1 for the target market

AWD + high seating + non-SUV handling/feel

I never needed the extra space of the X5 - so at the time it seemed to be the most logical choice to meet these 'needs'. The X6 seems even closer again.

Interested in performance figures.

LeMansX5 09-13-2007 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinuneuro
Common sense: center of gravity. Formula One cars, supercars, etc aren't barely off the ground because it looks cool.

Common sense also tells that formula one cars are not street legal. X6 sits 10 cm lower than X5, newer tech, better engines, Dynamic xDrive. Your common sense may betray you on this, my freind, trust me. So in your opinion if X6 is worst, than X5s should be $hitty as hell in performance. X6 is a mix of sports sedan and SAV. This is not a F1 car. :tsk:

rh71 09-13-2007 09:10 AM

never been a fan of the bubble car look - murano/fx

chris24 09-13-2007 05:41 PM

I would think the market for an X6 is not far off from the market that has some of us spending 70k+ on a 4.8i E70. I wasn't warm to the look of the FX when it first came out, but eventually warmed up to it and even liked it, and bought one. The E70 took the performance and handling a step further than that and newer technology afforded it better handling in a bigger, heavier vehicle.

My expectation is that the X6 will deliver even better performance and handling with at least as much utility as the FX45 or close to it. If so, the market is people who want an SUV more for the ground clearance/higher vision and who want SOME utility, but don't need a full-size or even true mid-size SUV, and most importantly, who don't want anything that handles like a truck and takes a month to get up to 60 MPH.

In other words, the same buying Cayenne S's, Cayenne Turbo's, ML63AMG's, etc... There certainly is a market for the X6. It's not intended to be a Honda Accord that you see on every street corner and people love for it's functionality and reliability. It's a sports car for people who want some extra height and a little more room.

That said, if it truly has less room than the cramped 3-series I left behind in my 20's, I'd say the X6 would be a bit disappointing. I would wonder how they lost so much room in a car that big though.


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