Good time to buy 07 4.8?
 

I am looking to buy X5 4.8 and I understand the 08's are starting to come into the dealerships. The local dealership have several 07 4.8s and I like one of the them, which is completely loaded. List around 78,800.

Right off the bat the sales offered 2700 off. What do you guys think? I never bought X5 before and I don't know how many % off is a good deal.... Thanks for any help.

$2,000 off a 2008 is easy. So $2,700 off a 2007 model doesn't sound good to me.

Identicaly equipped 08 lists $900 cheaper since sunroof is now included free and premium package now is lowered by $900
Negotiate harder for 07, you should be able to get really close to invoice.
If not, I dont see any difficulty getting 08 for 2200-2500 off MSRP

if you're buying go w/the 08!!

prices are too close to consider an 07...

08s will also have the latest firmware fixes and maybe some other enhancements to address some if not most of the 07 issues..

if it's used you're looking for, with low mileage, than maybe you'll get a very good deal... but if new, go with the 08!

my only concern is there are alot of "used" 07s around... my local dealer did a search for me (we talked about getting me an 07 at first) and tons of them showed up on his computer (a network of other local dealers)

I wonder if these were returns because of the known issues...

wouldn't take the chance!

just my 2cents!

As the other posters recommended, get the '08 for at least $2,000 off MSRP and it's approx. $900 less than '07, so that's $2.9K off '07 price.

If you want an '07, you should be able to get one close to dealer invoice which can be as much as $6,000 under MSRP. Just check edmunds.com Dealers have many '07s still on lots and they're not moving.

Unless you need the deep discounted '07, I recommend the '08 due to the many well know problems with '07.

Good luck and happy hunting.

Interesting point you raised there, so in effect I am not getting much off at all.
So even if I get 5000 off, it is a 07 model and I will lose one year right away in resale value.
It seems like I would be better off buying 08 then...

May I ask what problems are the 07's having?

just a lot of "first year production" type issues.. it's expected to a certain extent.

this vehicle is heavy on the technology side... many software bugs in the idrive, NAV, backup camera, ipod interface, etc... not saying all vehicles have these problems but many owners reported having them... and it's been discussed on many other forums including this one.

these issues have been addressed at the dealers usually by way of a firmware/software update.

some mechanical issues with the park brake and I believe one official recall for a windshield washer resevoir leak...(or something like that)

great vehicle though... we love them and are looking forward to the 08s!!

Since the bugs are software related and can be fixed with a normal visit to the dealer (as you mentioned), I see no reason to think the 08's are better in that respect. Likewise, the other issues you mention are all correctable with normal service. If there was some design issue that BMW had changed the design for 08 to correct, it would make more sense to be more enthusiastic for the 08's, but if you can get a better discount on the 07 model, I would certainly go for it.

that's a good question on any design changes in 08... not sure..

on the software updates.... yes they can do them...but they are usually reluctant to do so... thing takes hours to perform... and they're always backed up...

doesn't hurt to ask around the next time you visit the dealer on any known issues or info on any design changes for 08.. (try to make friends with some of the mechanics there...)

i do..

IMO, what you are missing here is the pain-and-anguish of having your new toy not work, over and over, and having to go back to the dealer to get the software updated.

In the end, as you point out, they will both work.

I am just thankful to all the '07 guys and gals for having worked the bugs out with BMW for my '08!

But seriously, I am sure there will be some bugs that will get identified in '08 and resolved for '09 - it's just the way it goes. Personally I would never, ever, buy a first year model of anything.

Cheers,
Keith

My dealer has automatically updated the software to the latest version everytime I have taken it in for anything. Maybe some dealers are not as cordial as others? If you have one of those dealers, what makes you think they will be more willing to update the 08's when the inevitable software/firmware upgrades are released? The problem with asking the technicians at the dealer is that their opinions can be biased in either direction. Ask one who has just worked for 2 days to locate a rattle on a 5 series what he thinks of them. I bet his opinion is different than it was last week!;)

Unless you are someone that just HAS to be the one that puts the first few miles on your car, you may want to consider looking for a used 07. I found my 07 4.8 at a MB dealership. Someone had traded it in on a GL because of the issue with the rear entertainment (ie DVD doesn't pause and restart at current location after ignition turned off, too hard for the little ones to operate, etc). I don't have children and couldn't care less about how the rear DVD works, it will probably never be turned on. Same with the 3rd row seat - it will probably never see the light of day. The car had 3k miles, every available option except for Head Up, and I only paid 64k. I have put over 3500 miles on it so far, have had not one issue - so far ;) I absolutey LOVE this car and the fact that I saved the big bucks just by letting someone else put the first few miles on it just makes it that much better!

Just ordered a '08 and got $5000 under MSRP so your offer isn't a good deal. That's on top of the $900 difference with the sunroof now being standard!

I beg to differ...considering the msrp on my car was 77,2k, even taking off the 6k you say you got off on your 08, 64k was still a VERY good deal!

Is that a below invoice deal?

I did a little bit of investigation of MSRP vs. Invoice prices for a fairly well loaded 2008 4.8i. The difference between MSRP was just over $6,000. So if someone got $5,000 off of MSRP, they got a VERY good deal!

He's a new member (his first post) and it's likely he is full of it. I seriously doubt they are going to discount a new 08 $5K off MSRP. Remember ,12 year olds know how to register for a forum too:rofl: :rofl:

Zee... I wasn't talking about your deal. 64K for a '07 with 3500 miles is pretty good. I was talking to the original poster who was offered 2500 off MSRP for a new 07.

And Shumdit...first off...I am far from 12-years-old. I really don't think too many 12-years-olds are trolling a BMW X5 message board. I doubt a 12-year-old even knows what an MSRP is. Yes, it might have been my first post but so what.

I ordered an '08 a week and a half ago. $73,500 MSRP and I got it for $68,550. Forgive my 12-year-old math, but that comes out to pretty close to $5,000. Dealer gave me 2% over invoice.:nanana:

As the king of my own small country I get a new BMW of my choice weekly flown in from Germany. Look how easy it is for anyone to claim anything online. Since many members here have networked to get the best deal and none of them have come close to your price, I think you are full of crap. My opinion? Yes. Worthless to anyone but me? Sure. Still, Unless you are trading in something or leasing (both of which leave the dealer with the abilty to bend the numbers to give you $5K off on paper, I am not going to give your claim much credit. Gotta go now, Elvis just arrived for our weekly poker game:thumbup: (:nanana: back at ya)

I stand corrected :thumbup:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

now THAT was funny

:iagree::rofl::rofl: and bergs, I still say you got a very good deal if you got $5,000 off MSRP on new 2008 X5. I'm just not sure why any dealer would feel the need to give a price like that.

Okay...so I just checked my order...It was $4,650 off MSRP. Shumdit you are right...I must be smoking something to think I could get 5K off MSRP. I bow to you oh ruler of Assholia...:thumbup:

I never think to buy E70 4.8i cuz its bad handling, really like a boat when compared with E53 4.6is or 4.8is

I would buy 3.0 instead, it will be more afforadable, and it is the fact that no need the power of 4.8i for a big truck.

Whatever...As I said, anyone can make stuff up. Give me the name of your dealer and SA and let me verify. Otherwise I think you can go back to playing D&D with your other pimple-faced buddies. I think the majority of people here who do not have their heads up there asses will agree your deal is very unlikely, unless there are the aforementioned conditons as part of the deal (trade-in, etc.) I see why you had to reply the way you did though...Sucks getting called out, doesn't it?:rofl:

I see you have not driven one. Anyone who thinks it handles bad or like a boat is either a troll or misinformed. I have driven both, and the only thing I can say is the handling on both models is great, but the ride on the E53 was much rougher. Not as bad as the earliest X3's, but still not in the same league as the E70. If you disagree, please see how many people you can find who will side with you. Maybe bergs will since he is living in a fairy land. I would have one of my fleet of E70's shipped over for you to compare, but Hugh Hefner wants me to come over and help pick out his new girlfiriend, so I am too busy at the moment:thumbup: :rofl:

or just has a different perspective than your own!

What you say has merit, but it is a very difficult argument to make - that this SAV isn't one of, if not the, best handling SAVs on the market.

When my wife and I did our test drives, we drove 4 SAVs in this class and SHE noticed how well a non-sport 4.8i X5 drove when compared to the others. This is my wife who could care less about cars and driving in general -

Cheers,
KEF

Time for you to be called out on being a jerk to a new member who's simply trying to provide information for others to consider. :damn:

You don't have to slam someone's credibility just because he negotiated a great deal. That is the kind of person we love to have around here; that way we can piggy back on his deal. I know I will!

Bergs: Many thanks for posting your info :thumbup: .

You might want to read the whole thread before jumping in. He is the one who decided to resort to the "ruler of assholia" comment. I will state me opinion until the powers that be decide to ban me. If I can't have an opinion, then what's the point of being a member? What good is his "info" if it turns out to be false (which it likely is, or has been manipulated by the dealer, i.e. giving him less for his trade than it's really worth to meet his discount demand on the X5) since it will only make others here feel that they all should get this kind of discount and hesitate to purchase for a less generous discount, and unless you are in the same fantasyland he is in, you already know they are not going to discount a brand new 08 4.8 $5K (unless it's been underwater or through a hail storm!) :rolleyes:

Guess, what, I have thick skin, so call me whatever you like. Hell, call my wife and kids names if it makes you feel better.:nanana: Still, take a poll and let's see how many informed members here think he got the deal vs. how many think he is full of it. If you want to see a board become irrelevant, let people come in and start making up crap and watch the value of the board go down the gutter. I am a member of dozens of boards and sponsor over 10, but there are a few that have seen thier hit count drop considerably when trolls were allowed to post away. What are the red flags for trolls?
Here are a few:
New member or low post count. We all start with low post counts, but like a student starting at a new school or a guy on a first date, the normal M.O is not to rock the boat when you are just getting familiar with the environment.

Makes either unbelievable claims or trashes the subject of the forum. Bergs has done the former, but I also see people come into a board, join up and from post #1 say thinly veiled or outright direct negative comments about the subject (here it would be to come in and say what a POS the X5 is, and then rave about the Cayenne or Q7, etc).

Gets very defensive when anyone questions them.

Does not contribute to the forums except to either further the thread they are trolling on or to also stir the pot on other threads.

In summary, I can be wrong about bergs, but my feelings are what they are, and I am happy to express my opinion, unsolicited or not. If you do not like it, you can just ignore me until someone decides to ban me. (That's another death knell for the forums, when they start banning people for not following blindly like lambs to the slaughter, instead of having a legitimate reason. I hope X5 world is above this petty tactic).

If it turns out Bergs posts or PM's the info to me, I will take the time to check it out, and if it's true, I will be on the board posting an apology ASAP. Still won't make me bite my tongue the next time I smell a rat though, it's just not my nature.:popcorn:

:popcorn:

Shum...I only resorted to the "ruler of assholia" comment after you decided to act like one. That's fine if you want to accuse me of making up my offer...I could care less about your opinion. But when you start hinting that I'm a "12-year-old" and then sarcastically say that "you're the ruler of a small country and Elvis is waiting for you", your smug manner is more than unnecessary. I have no reason to make stuff up. Seriously, do you really believe that there are folks out there who are trolling BMW X5 message boards and making up the amount they spent on a 70K SUV? I surely don't.

The reason I'm a new poster, is because up until a few weeks ago, I wasn't on the market for an X5. But I'm having a baby in 3 weeks and we decided to get an SUV. I'd occasionally read the posts on here for info and that was about it. I wish I could have found more info about prices others paid - they seem to be few and far between. So when I bought my X5 a few weeks ago, I decided to share my experience and help out. So I posted. Does that make me a troll? Or does that simply make me a first time poster? Whatever it means, I got your accusatory, smart-assed attitude.

Do you really believe that posts like yours contribute anything to the site?

To be honest, I have no desire to PM you because I really don't feel like I have to validate my posting or what I paid for my X5. I had another member PM me this morning asking for my dealer info which I gladly passed along. He/she defended me a few posts above - I'm sure you're going to accuse them of being my Mom or my "d&d playing pimple-faced buddy". So have at it. But to be honest, the real reason that sites like this fail aren't because of people like me, they fail because of people like you who feel it necessary to share his opinion in the manner that you do.

It would be nice if those of you who got these great deals published the name of the dealer and salesman. There wouldn't be any question of credibility- and your salesman will thank you for referring so much business to him.

I'm in the process of buying loaded 4.8 now- when complete I will gladly post dealership, salesperson and amount discounted.

I haven't gotten offers anywhere near a $5K discount though. So if you did it would be nice to know where and whom I could contact.

I think it's somewhere in northern Indiana. If you're willing to drive that far you may want to PM Mr. Bergs... I sure am! :thumbup:

Yes, there are trolls on this board. Others here have mentioned it (and if I am not mistaken proven it in at least one case when the "troll" bragged about the pot-stirring on another forum for MB or RR, etc. Do I believe you? Nope. Do I think someone who lies (regardless of age or preferred role playing game:nanana: ) hurts the credibility of the forum? Yep.
I think my post in this case contributed because either you are full of it, in which case the members here looking to buy can get back to the realization that $5K discounts on 08 4.8's just coming out are not going to happen or you will prove me wrong, and other members can use the proof to pressure their local dealers to give them a better deal. Either way, I see no downside for me. Being called an asshole, jerk , whatever is not a downside, since you do not know me, anymore than I know you. So far though I have seen no sign of the proof I asked for. You can avoid posting the info or PM'ing me, but that only further proves my suspicions that you either omitted some relevant facts to the "discount" or you are fabricating it completely. You say you feel you have no reason to validate it, so why did you bother making it up in the first place?
You think forums fail because people like me call them like I see them? (sometimes incorrectly I am sure). You obviously have not been on enough forums (not that the fact I have is anything to brag about), so when you learn a little more about some of the BS that happens on them maybe you can enlighten me.
Until then, I will consider this to be the female version of you:
http://tallfreak.com/2007/04/06/penelope/ :nanana: :nanana: :nanana: :rofl: :rofl:

(PS-still willing to post that apology as soon as you prove me wrong). Maybe you can photoshop up a buyer's order. That's always convincing!)

Yes, wouldn't that be nice? Even more nice than throwing out a nice round, but highly unlikely discount.:thumbup:

For $5K off I can have it shipped from Indiana and still save money.

> I'm in the process of buying loaded 4.8 now- when complete I will gladly post dealership, salesperson and amount discounted.

You might want to check with your saleman and ask him if he wants you to do this. Different people get different deals, depending upon many factors. I got a Z4 in 2004 for $500 over invoice and when I took delivery offered to my saleman that I would send people his way. His response was that sure, he would be very appreciative if I sent people his way, but to please not tell them the deal I got, as his boss would be really unhappy with him if he did deals like that for everyone who walked through the door.

Picked my 07' 4.8i for $500 over invoice. Happy as a pig in Georgia!

Just drove to the closest Ferrari dealer and picked out my favorite color 599 from the 20 or so they had on the lot. They said I could pay invoice and told me to "pay whenever I felt like it, or not!"
Mr. White (AKA Eddie Murphy):rolleyes:

I went to Shumdit BMW and I paid MSRP because nobody pays less than that! In fact, at Shumdit BMW, people pay over MSRP because nobody in their right mind would give anybody a deal on a new X5. It's just not possible!

Stop being such a hater...what are you, the pricing police?

Hope you're enjoying your new Ferrari.

If there were a Shumdit BMW you would be escorted off the lot to the Buy Here, Pay Here used car lot down the street where you belong.:rofl: :rofl:

I am not a hater, I am a realist.;)

PS- "The Ferrari is so choice. I highly suggest picking one up if you have the means"- Ferris Bueller:nanana:

Why is $500 over invoice unrealistic for an '07?

Its a new car from an owners viewpoint but will be a year old in ~ 8 weeks for valuation/trade-in purposes. I would expect any year end model to be deeply discounted.


Not knocking your deal monnot66 ...just curious about the other responses :confused: .

Not knocking his deal. It's the 08 4.8 for somewhere between less than invoice and $500 over from Bergs I am knocking.

;) Ah yes, got it.

...carry on

Ahhh...Shumdit, you just never stop, do you? I never said I paid less than invoice and I never said I didn't pay more than $500 over. Please get your facts straight. Just admit it, you're jealous that I got a better deal than you.

You don't have to say it. Since the 2008 4.8 only has roughly $4300 profit at MSRP for the base model and around $5500-6000 if you got every option possible, to get $5K off means you either paid less than invoice or very slightly more. There's my straight facts you asked for in your last post. Now, regarding my jealousy:

I paid $53200.00 for a 07 with 934 miles that had a sticker of $68K and change due to the unfortunate passing of a Mr. Bill France Jr. (of Nascar legend). It was his son Brian's (now the head honco) car and since Brian was relocating back to the East Coast he no longer needed cars in both places. Call it right place at the right time. It was the correct color combo and the only things wrong with it (for my needs) was that it needed the 20" 214 style wheels (which I added for $2355 brand new with tires) and I did not really need the 3rd row seat, but have actually used it a few times and it's not a bad option to have). The difference between you and me is that I can prove what I am claiming.

While it's possible you also got some sort of deal, I think there is more to the story if the numbers are correct, and more than likely the numbers are not correct, which is why I "never stop". Ball is in your court!

yawn...

Wow, nice rebuttal. How do those Cole Haan's taste? In your case, how do those Payless' taste?;)

Shumdick...what exactly is a Cole Haan? Is that some type of French dish like them escargot's? I've never heard of a Cole Haan before. I have however, heard of Payless. I drive by it on my way to buy shoes at the Dollar Store. Those are some mighty high end shoes they got there! Keep on throwing those insults buddy!

"Shumdick"- now there actually was a decently thought out comeback.
A Cole Haan is a kind of shoe. Nothing OJ Simpson would wear, but they are decent shoes. www.colehaan.com/colehaan/home

Since you asked for an insult, how about this one?:

I know we are all proud of our significant others, but did you ask yours if she minded being used for your Avatar?

Is that good, or do I need to think up something else? Kinda busy here at work, so I might need more time to come up with a really good one.;)

:popcorn:


....carry on

Ahhh...the old significant other insult...very creative. Sorry you didn't have time to think up something better. Drive-thru at the McDonald's pretty busy today, huh?:thumbup:

No, I was fired from there for criticizing people when they came to the window "Really, did you need to supersize that order in your current condition?";)

I work for the government now, so in effect you are paying me to harrass you and I have job security to boot (hard as hell to fire us without a lawsuit):rofl:

Actually I own my own company, and I am blessed enough to have the time and the freedom to seek out and destroy trolls almost 24/7!

The government? Crap...I take back everything I said. I bought the car for MSRP. All hail Shumdit!;)

LOL, that's one thing we can agree on:thumbup: (assuming the job was IRS related!)

07 deals
 

I found an 2007 4.8 loaded which listed for $74,800.00 which has 8000 miles on it for $56,800.00 So there are deals out there.

Yes, but this is not apples to apples with getting $5K off a brand new unit. 8000 miles and used is different (which is why my also used 900 mile find was not unreasonable to expect).

Looks like people are getting deals very close to mine. There's a poster that just got $900 above invoice for brand new. It is happening whether you want to believe it or not.:thumbup:

I am going to go with "not" although $900 is more than right at invoice which is where you were close to. I am also going to guess he/she is a new member. Picking up an 07 for that kind of money is something I could see happening, but on a 08 I just do not see a dealer doing that kind of deal.

Possible exceptions: Dealer is trying to make amends for in some way wronging you, ie they wrecked your car on a test drive when it was in for service, the ordered the car for you with the wrong options/colors, etc.

Car was damaged (hailstorm, minor incident on the lot, etc.)

Car was optioned as Green with Hot Pink Leatherette interior:rofl:

And most commonly: You are leasing the new car and/or trading in a vehicle. As someone who worked for a dealer for years (yes a BMW dealer), I can tell you either or both of these scenarios makes it possible to do just about anything with the numbers on paper. Want a M5 for $5000 under invoice? We can do it! (on paper);)

Very nice. What dealer did you get that deal through?