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AzNMpower32 11-06-2007 09:29 PM

Clarkson on the X5 4.8i
 
Mr. Clarkson reviews the X5 4.8i. Here's what he had to say about it:

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...cle2791661.ece

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For the past week I have been mostly driving around in the new BMW X5. The old one was an ugly, American-made piece of nonsense that never really floated my boat at all. Sure, it was built to offer sports driving dynamics, but what’s the point of that in a tall off-road car? It’s like making vegetarian food that tastes of sausages.


You sense with the new one that some of that sportiness has been lost. For a kick-off, it’s much, much bigger, and as a result, much, much heavier. And when you turn the key, the new 4.8 litre V8 engine doesn’t so much zing as snuffle and grunt. I don’t know what torque is but I bet it sounds like this: like a Mexican body-builder arm-wrestling a grandfather clock.
I have heard it said that the new version is nowhere near as nice to drive as the old one, but that rather depends. If you want to take it on a hillclimb or to Silverstone, then yes, I would agree. But for normal, everyday work, then no. The new one is better. It floats and cruises where its predecessor would truffle and snout.


Annoyingly, however, the extra bulk makes it even more useless in town. I sometimes look at people in London squeezing up narrow streets in these massive cars and I think: “Are you completely bonkers?” Yes, you might need something big and tall for your monthly trip to the cottage in Suffolk, but for crying out loud, why put up with the misery for the other 320 days of the year? That’s like permanently wearing a condom for the one day a month you might get lucky.


City dwellers should have a Mini and rent something big when they need to go away. I’m really talking here to people in the countryside who’ll be delighted to hear the new X5 – for the first time – is available as a seven-seater. Although I should point out the seats in the boot are small, cost an extra £1,300 and ruin the boot space. So I wouldn’t bother. If you need seven seats, you’re still much better off with a cheaper Volvo XC90.
The X5, then, should still be viewed as a five-seater, and a pretty good one at that. But one day while I had it, I found myself sitting in a jam – the A3 was closed again – next to a Mercedes ML 63, and I thought: “Hmmm. Yet another American-made German five-seat off-road car. And given the choice, I’d take the Merc. It’s better looking, smaller and that engine is just so joyously mad.


But of course, I wouldn’t. What I’d actually do, without a moment’s hesitation, is buy a Range Rover. You sit higher up in the big Brit, and because Land Rover does not make ordinary cars, there’s no sense when you’re on board that you’re simply driving a taller version of a humdrum saloon. But you definitely get this impression in an X5, which feels like a 5-series, and that means it doesn’t feel particularly robust.


Worse. At one point I was forced onto a kerb by a bus driver who set off without looking – surprise, surprise – and instead of just popping onto the pavement, the Beemer simply gouged huge chunks out of its front offside alloy wheel. I would like to make the bus driver pay for this. Actually, I’d like to see one done for attempted murder. But either way, BMW’s big rugged off-roader was damaged by a kerbstone, and that really shouldn’t happen.


It makes you wonder. Next time the road ahead is closed, could you escape up the embankment and across the fields in an X5? I think not. But in a Range Rover you could. I know, because I’ve done it.

Wagner 11-06-2007 09:32 PM

Hmmmm.

mrkbbd 11-06-2007 09:39 PM

What do you expect, it's a car designed for the US market

rufusdedog 11-06-2007 09:52 PM

"What I’d actually do, without a moment’s hesitation, is buy a Range Rover. You sit higher up in the big Brit"

Big Brit? Isn't Range Rover owned by Ford, and powered with a BMW engine?

drod 11-06-2007 09:54 PM

these trucks were never meant to be true off-road vehicles... why do you think BMW decided to call it SAV instead of SUV??

everyone's getting trucks now a days....but they don't want truck-like road manners... this is where the X5 comes in...

and yes, the components are getting lighter and cheaper to cut down on weight and costs... (but so is everyone else)

pretty soon we'll be driving tin can recyclable vehicles!!

my only concern is the advanced technology that's bundled into these designs... that's where the problems are.. and the rest of the world is following suit...

nothing but headaches now and forever!!

Wagner 11-06-2007 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkbbd
What do you expect, it's a car designed for the US market


Guess the Z4 is too then.... :rolleyes:

~KaiFy GaiwanY~ 11-07-2007 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rufusdedog
"What I’d actually do, without a moment’s hesitation, is buy a Range Rover. You sit higher up in the big Brit"

Big Brit? Isn't Range Rover owned by Ford, and powered with a BMW engine?

that was in the model 2004 .. but now , BMW is still owned by Ford but powered by jaguar ..

rayxi 11-07-2007 01:03 AM

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At one point I was forced onto a kerb by a bus driver who set off without looking – surprise, surprise – and instead of just popping onto the pavement, the Beemer simply gouged huge chunks out of its front offside alloy wheel. I would like to make the bus driver pay for this. Actually, I’d like to see one done for attempted murder. But either way, BMW’s big rugged off-roader was damaged by a kerbstone, and that really shouldn’t happen.
I'll bet he hit the curb with the flat part of the wheel. I don't care what kind of car it is, when two flat surfaces meet one is not going to ride up on the other. Simple geometry.

I agree with the above comments about the X5 not being an off-road vehicle. Clarkson is really grasping at staws to bring that up as a criticism.

jimsaq 11-07-2007 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ~KaiFy GaiwanY~
that was in the model 2004 .. but now , BMW is still owned by Ford but powered by jaguar ..

you're talking about rover there not bmw yeah?

there's several engines available for rangies too, would suprise me if they're all made by the same place

rh71 11-07-2007 02:10 AM

reposted from: http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e70-forum/...ight=impressed

Wagner 11-07-2007 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rayxi
I'll bet he hit the curb with the flat part of the wheel. I don't care what kind of car it is, when two flat surfaces meet one is not going to ride up on the other. Simple geometry.

I agree with the above comments about the X5 not being an off-road vehicle. Clarkson is really grasping at staws to bring that up as a criticism.

Granted. It all depends on what bias he brings to the article/clip. I'm actually not a real big fan of that guy, the cars he rides..sure :)

Like I said..he honestly compared a $42K 300 SRT to a $95K M5......not the brightest bulb.

Fredo 11-07-2007 10:49 AM

As in the other post....don't take him seriously. He's a hybrid car journalist/ comedian. You only have to see him present Top gear on TV to see that. Helps him sell his books and DVD's.

AzNMpower32 11-07-2007 12:31 PM

While I agree that Clarkson should get over it when he equates 4x4 = off-road vehicle, he does have a point.

From his point of view: If you just want something to take your kids to school with and haul cargo, buy a sports wagon. If you want a high driving position, there are cheaper SUVs out there. If you want to go off road, well obviously you can just go buy a Land Rover. And what's the matter with a minivan? Those things haul lots of stuff AND provide a decent driving position.

rodybmw 11-07-2007 02:01 PM

As far as I can remember he has never seen a BMW that he liked. As a matter of fact he always makes sure to go out of his way to bash BMW.........so keep that in mind when you read or watch him on Top Gear.

ravenheart 11-07-2007 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rodybmw
As far as I can remember he has never seen a BMW that he liked. As a matter of fact he always makes sure to go out of his way to bash BMW.........so keep that in mind when you read or watch him on Top Gear.

That is not really true - he likes the M5 and M6 - he has reviewed them both for his DVDs and for Top Gear - should be no shortage of the clips on youtube.

In general I think people give him a lot less respect than they should. His view of motoring is about the X-factor, as he calls it. If Clarkson was to leave a legacy behind (besides his hilarious grumpy rants) it would be to drive cars that excite you!

Him ranting about a car instead of just ignoring it is not a bad thing. It means it is exciting him - which is what it is all about. I, personnaly, hate mustangs and corvettes - but i would rather be caught dead in either of those than alive in VW Jetta or a minivan. Twisted logic, but there is a point in there :)

Edited for typo

Brisbane 11-07-2007 03:28 PM

It's fashionable in the UK to bash the American car industry and Jeremy gets more attention with controversial statements. While he has some points I think we can rest assured that the X5 suits our purposes perfectly, is built even better than its German counterparts (according to BMW's own studies) and, from, all I understand, actually handles better than it's predecessor.

I like Jeremy and watch him often but often don't agree with his opinions. I suspect he likes the X5 much more than he admits- he's an entertainer after all. And a bloody pommie.

vinuneuro 11-07-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brisbane
is built even better than its German counterparts (according to BMW's own studies)

Do you have the source on this one? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you.

R8DX5 11-07-2007 04:24 PM

Clarkson never liked BMWs. He raves about everything British. Anyone who watches Top Gear knows this. He criticized the X5 for being big and heavy yet he prefers the Range Rover, which is bigger and heavier.

mkar 11-07-2007 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
And what's the matter with a minivan? Those things haul lots of stuff AND provide a decent driving position.

:yikes:

AzNMpower32 11-07-2007 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mkar
:yikes:

Sorry, I don't follow fads or fashion trends. If you need room for 7 and cargo, I think a SUV isn't the way to go, to be honest.

Clarkson is admittedly biased and yes, he's partial towards pretty mediocre British brands. But he did like the M3 CSL, the M5, and 535d. I think he hates Porsche more than BMW though..........haha "Porsche Coxster" :rofl:

rayxi 11-07-2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
While I agree that Clarkson should get over it when he equates 4x4 = off-road vehicle, he does have a point.

From his point of view: If you just want something to take your kids to school with and haul cargo, buy a sports wagon. If you want a high driving position, there are cheaper SUVs out there. If you want to go off road, well obviously you can just go buy a Land Rover. And what's the matter with a minivan? Those things haul lots of stuff AND provide a decent driving position.

And if you want a crash safe vehicle that can carry 5 with a fair amount of cargo, handles well, has AWD and looks great then...(do yo need a hint?) :)

mkar 11-07-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
Sorry, I don't follow fads or fashion trends. If you need room for 7 and cargo, I think a SUV isn't the way to go, to be honest.

Clarkson is admittedly biased and yes, he's partial towards pretty mediocre British brands. But he did like the M3 CSL, the M5, and 535d. I think he hates Porsche more than BMW though..........haha "Porsche Coxster" :rofl:

I don't think any kid has ever said, "When I grow up, I want to drive a minivan." Minivans look horrible. And the Boxster gets disrespect everywhere.

mkar 11-07-2007 07:58 PM

On the other hand, I bet no kid has ever said, "I want to grow up and drive a car full of children loaded to the brim with all their shit" either.

Fredo 11-07-2007 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by R8DX5
Clarkson never liked BMWs. He raves about everything British. Anyone who watches Top Gear knows this. He criticized the X5 for being big and heavy yet he prefers the Range Rover, which is bigger and heavier.

Not strictly true.....he raved about the M5, nearly bought one too. Despite the "flappy paddle" gearbox.

And he certainly doesn't rave about everything British....ever heard him say a nice thing about TVR or Rover ? Nope

Nor is he picking on the X5 because it's American as someone suggested earlier in the thread. Did he say that? He would classify the X5 as German...that's it's DNA.

AzNMpower32 11-07-2007 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rayxi
And if you want a crash safe vehicle that can carry 5 with a fair amount of cargo, handles well, has AWD and looks great then...(do yo need a hint?) :)

Oh that's very easy.

A 535xiT. And it's a pity we don't get it here, but I'd actually take the 550iT M-sport with a 6MT if I could. :cool:

Brisbane 11-08-2007 10:16 AM

Sorry I don't have the source but I saw it in Roundel a few years ago.

BMW (and I'm sure most car makers) keep very close tabs on these sorts of things but the results are rarely made public. I also recall reading a similar result many more years ago when the Honda plant in Ohio was first producing cars- I think in the Wall Street Journal. There have been similar articles and data for union v. non union workers.

rayxi 11-08-2007 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
Oh that's very easy.

A 535xiT. And it's a pity we don't get it here, but I'd actually take the 550iT M-sport with a 6MT if I could. :cool:

Yes, I'd take a either 5 'er as well but it's a moot point since we don't have that choice.

AzNMpower32 11-08-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rayxi
Yes, I'd take a either 5 'er as well but it's a moot point since we don't have that choice.

Um you guys also get the 535xiT. And according to the BMW CA website, the 5 Individual as well.........:confused:

Honestly, I think the 5 touring looks better than the 5 sedan.

Interestingly, if I could get my hands on a '02-'03 540iT sport, I would actually consider buying it. I mean, that would be really cool. Motoring around campus or driving kids around, having them ask "why did you buy a wagon?". And then I'd go on my whole TV-like spiel about the handling, motor, blah blah blah, while they're holding onto dear life because I'm going around corners quickly. I find it funny when I surprise teenagers :D

STALKER 11-08-2007 03:20 PM

Clarkson is entertaining, and thats it.
Please do not read his reviews/comments and actually think for one moment they are actually based on any real insight or logic.

rayxi 11-08-2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
Um you guys also get the 535xiT. And according to the BMW CA website, the 5 Individual as well.........:confused:

Honestly, I think the 5 touring looks better than the 5 sedan.

Right you are! Last time I checked (which has been a while) only the 530xiT was available.

AzNMpower32 11-08-2007 06:02 PM

So there we have it. If you want a good looking vehicle that can carry cargo, transport your kids safely, and handle all-weather conditions........buy a 535xi sports wagon!


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