New iDrive controller & infotainment system(with hard drive) for X5 and X6
 

A completely new infotainment system will replace BMW’s current CCC (Car Communication Computer) system in most but not all BMWs starting possibly as soon as September 2008 production, according to unconfirmed reports we have collected. The CIC will reportedly be installed on new 1er, 3er, 5er, and 6er Series, and possibly the new F01 7er Series, this fall if things fall into place as planned.

The X5 and X6 should receive the new CIC -- the acronym apparently stands for Car Infortainment Computer -- starting with March 2009 production. The CIC is made by Becker, which currently makes M-ASK (MMI Audio System Kontroller) systems for BMW, used in MOST-bus vehicles without "Professional" satellite navigation.

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The system will include a 40-gigabyte (GB) hard disk drive, reportedly partitioned as follows (hopefully there will be more room for music and less room for names and addresses when we get final specs):

• System 2GB
• Music 3GB
• Entertainment server 8GB
• Navigation map data 12GB
• Telephone (name and address) 10GB
• Reserve 5GB

A new higher resolution display, reportedly 1280x480, will be included with the CIC. Favorites buttons, introduced on the E60 5er Series LCI (life cycle impuls, or mid-life refresh), will continue although it is likely we’ll see a new menu structure and improved language support. The new iDrive controller we mentioned last month will be part of the package as well.

Only one DVD drive will be included (the current Professional Navigation system now comes with two, one for music and one for map data; map data will be stored on the hard drive. It’s not clear yet as to whether drivers will still purchase a DVD and transfer it or whether the data will be updated in the dealer’s workshop but we suspect the latter will be the case. On other cars with hard drives for navigation, all have a dealer option to upgrade the navigation data and some also let the owner do it via a disc that is read by the car's lone optical drive.

BMW's Configurator (see photo below) shows the new iDrive controller and a blank iDrive display, perhaps indicating that the new menu structure is yet to come.

Additional features include a USB port in the glove box which will be used for transferring or downloading music to the CIC, as well as support for EDGE (Enhanced Data rates for Global Evolution, providing data transfer at up to 560 kbps) and UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System, a true 3G mobile telecommunications standard based on GSM although it’s not compatible with GSM, providing a data transfer rate of up to 2 Mbps).

Another unconfirmed report indicated that Night Vision may project its image via the car’s Head-Up Display (HUD) instead of using the iDrive CID (Central Information Display). Night Vision may also benefit from improved resolution and new safety features including a so-called “Pedestrian Catcher” that alerts the driver to pedestrians. It will still be made by Autoliv using a FLIR sensor that has greater range in this new version, about 500 rather than 300 meters.

wow...cool stuff. for those debating whether to buy an '08 or wait for an '09...the choice is clear!

Are those 09 E60 seats different too?

Entertainment Server?

Note that LeMansX5 said starting with March '09 production. There will be lots of '09's built before that date...

This is the first bit of news that I actually feel a bit jealous of... ;)

The harddrive will make everything pull up faster in theory... but what is it using now?

The iDrive controller pic is from E90 facelift pic I had posted earlier.

But the article says that the X5 SHOULD get it in the March 09 build. Is there any confirmation of this. I'd hate to wait until March 09 and then find out that it'll be in the 2010 model.

So torn!

not convinced it's a step in the right direction...

you would think BMW has enough info on what others are doing...(and doing it better!!):dunno:

heck, we know and we don't have to spend R&D money to see it...

what we need is a touch screen!!! :wow:

Darn...not only Google Maps/My Info but also this...crap...but waiting until March 09 will be a killer...would they put this in the 2009 models which I hope will be released September?

CIC=MMI?

It's Audish...

drod, I think that would be a huge step in the wrong direction.

Touch screen = fingerprints = dirty screen

But the bigger issue is safety - a touchscreen requires the driver to divert more attention from the road by sitting up to reach the screen. (I have one in my other car - Japanese - and its a PITA)

If this new i-drive menu system is more efficient, it could be the best of both worlds.......maybe

^ agreed with the above. If they make it a touch-screen, they may even have to lock you out of using it while the car is in motion.

ok, even more electronics in these already plagued by gremlins vehicles.

40 Gb hard drive ? Nothing like releasing new technology that uses very old drive capacities/ technolgy..3 gb for music .. ? It's a wonder anyone makes 40 gb anymore... now a sOlid state hard drive would be nice ...:D

Nah the one in the second image.

NO TOUCH SCREEN!!! The Idrive is far better. I had a touch screen in my Lexus and prefer the current Idrive over a touch screen.

:iagree:

SSD (solid state drive) is definitely the way to go. Much more durable (heat, vibration, bumps, size). I'm waiting for the X-drive.

:iagree: - and the new knob locks GOOD! Don't mind if it looks like Audi - Audi's got a perfect and easy to handle system... so why not go in that direction.
Much better than the clumsy old one anyway.
So, also for me the first thing to be real jealous about. :rolleyes:

Why do ppl say that the current iDrive is non-intuituve? Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. Can anyone explain in what way the Audi's system is better? It seems to get great reviews. Really need to stop by a dealer to check it out.

I've used MB's new system. I think it's pretty similar to the current iDrive.

The MB system seems to have more levels where the "back" button is really required. iDrive seems more flat and layed out.

I wonder how the new iDrive system will be like.

I found this LONG article from bimmerfile.com (http://www.bimmerfile.com/2008/05/31...able/#more-288)

I tried to copy & paste it over. But the formatting got all screwed up. So just click the link to read it.

It's about the new features of the new iDrive (though some of the features mentioned in the article don't have definite release date). It really makes me want to wait till March 2009! It's gonna make the current iDrive feel inferior. :(

On the bright side though, I was walking by a MB ML today in a parking lot. Glanced in and saw the OLD command system. Comparing the current iDrive to it makes me feel much better. iDrive still offers much more to a tech-oriented person like myself. :D The OLD command is so sorry. This is probably my #1 reason for chosing the X5 over the ML. (Obviously the X5 has a lot of other great attributes over the ML. But the ML is less expensive for a comparable equipped vehicle. I can live with the ML's poorer handling abilities. It still out classes a lot of other vehicles).

The Japanese iDrive systems are better and more intuitive. BMW uses Siemens while Japs I believe use Alpine and some other brand.

There's some exciting stuff in that article:

Radio Driver enters ZIP code and finds all local radio stations. Driver may select by station frequency, ID, genre (jazz, pop, talk, etc.), or signal strength, and assign to presets on dash or on touch display.

Interior Lighting Effects Select the color and intensity of dial/dash backlighting.

Systems & Controls Customize the function of “function buttons” to control selected functions of any system in the car. In cars with touch screen LCDs, select from among the components of the systems to be displayed and/or controlled from the LCD.

Vehicle Tracking Using GPS or mobile phone, create a log of where the car has been, when and for how long. Also track how hard the car was driven. Set up real-time tracking of the vehicle

Contacts In case of emergency or accident, list numbers to contact to speak to hands-free or with a pre-entered voice synthesized call. In event of airbag deployment, selected contact name and number to flash on LCD to assist rescue personnel in case of driver incapacitation.

and lots more.

This isn't going to be cheap but if BMW can pull it off, the competition will be in serious catch up mode!

Tim

Most of the items in the bimmerfile list are just of recent patents. There is no direct correlation between that and the latest iDrive. It's typical for companies like BMW to patent things if they think there's even a small chance of using something (or to prevent a competitor from doing it). We will not see most of these features on the next iDrive.

That said, the general direction is exciting and I could see myself using many of these new features if they were offered. I'm a big Tivo fan and have often thought how nice it would be to have Tivo like control over the radio built into the car. I hate it when I catch the same show in the morning & evening on NPR! :)

looks very cool and simple! thanks for sharing this information.

"Eyeing on the new M3"

More info on new iDrive / infotainment system

Sources indicate that the menus look more like the Audi MMI interface in the design of the lists and manner in which selections are highlighted. With the increase in screen resolution the fonts and maps are much cleaner looking and are also more visually appealing. The submenus will function more like bookmarks within the interface and include links to other menus.

The controller will still require to be moved to access the other side of the split screen (when active). Unlike the current system in which both windows in the split screen have flat sides and are highlighted when selected the new system will add an oval like curve to the selected window. We have heard that the navigation map can now take up the entire display if so desired, something that was lacking in the past.
Radio and CD are now two separate menus and can be quickly accessed via the new shortcut buttons. Within the CD menu the current track will be displayed in a top “frame” while in the bottom will be the list of songs which you can then scroll through with the controller or steering wheel controls.

A welcome change to the phonebook is multiple numbers listed for one named contact. The current system would require additional entries in the phonebook for each number.

The date, time and radio station bar at bottom of the current screen has been removed. It will now find its home within the gauge cluster.
The new system will require some transition to those familiar with the current system because of variations in the menu structure and the location of certain features may not be the same as in the past.
The system in general is faster and appears to be stable. The new shortcut buttons (cd, radio, navigation, telephone, menu, back, option) around the controller work well and are placed in very accessible locations making the system easier to use.

We have not had first hand access to the system yet so this information is based on the experience of others and may or may not accurate or be based on the final product. However we believe this information to be reliable and at the very least a peek at some of the possibilities.

Some pics from new 7-series hard drive based nav. :thumbup:
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I think I have a woody.

Tim

Is there a chance this will be offered on the 2009 X5 or X6 at the begining of production or is still a March build date?

:rofl:
Spring 2009

Details on new infotainment /iDrive here

why doesnt it list the 5 series and X5?

Because those don't get it till 09.

Truthfully, it's about time. How long have people been complaining about the idrive system? I believe it's been since they first introduced it! As I mentioned in another section, BMW likes to be known for concentrating on performance, not bells and whistles. However, if they want to continue to sell in a market where competitors are becoming, well, very competitive, they'll need to start listening. Porsche is doing just that in their '09 Cayenne. Their PCM is going touchscreen with enhanced resolution, bluetooth, ipod, etc. Range Rover and Lexus have FAR better nav systems than BMW and Audi's MMI is just light years easier and more simplified that idrive.

It's nice to hear the news. Unfortunately, I just bought an 08, but that's okay. I'm sure this will be a late introduction 09 or 10 model. I'll be ready for a trade in by then!

I am very disappointed to have missed the new system by one year. I had to buy this year but have enough problems with the I-drive on my own and my spouse won't begin to touch it.
Adding insult to injury the nav took me on the wrong I-40 today when coming in to Greensboro, NC and I ended up calling BMW Assist because I was almost out of gas (15 miles showing left) and could not see an exit with a service station anywhere. In the morning when I need to move around Greensboro, I am going to plug in my old Garmin 2720 to make sure I make appointments on time.

That's crazy... I remember one time a few years ago (in an '05 X5) when I was using the nav to make a meeting out in Long Island, it took me off an exit, then back on the highway in the opposite direction, then off the first exit and back on the right way again. I had no idea what happened, but to be honest, I've never had problems with any of car's nav - just the BMW.

I can see the new posts now... "how do i retrofit my pre-09 vehicle with the new idrive?"

:popcorn:

how do i retrofit my pre-09 vehicle with the new idrive?

I want things like my rear-view camera to come up much quicker! Hi-res screen? I'll take three.

Does anyone know how I can retrofit my pre-09 vehicle with the new iDrive?

Hold up a sec LeMans:

First we had a HUD, and now we've got Waypoints, nigh-vision, and FLIR??

Is this a BMW or an F-15E Strike Eagle?:thumbup:

I'm holding off until they include JDAMs and a laser target designator.

It comes in this shape for you ;)

http://accessories.bmwusa.com/Assets...leNav_1037.jpg

welcome to what a Corvette has had for almost 10 years ;)

I'm thinking nightvision with FLIR displayed on HUD is reserved only for 7 series for now, correct?

Still, sounds pretty cool.:)

yup, but will slowly move to other models.

I was watching this Top Gear segment on the S-Class and how they seem to have all the great options we've heard about (and check out all the adjustables on the interior)... I thought the X was advanced (my first luxury vehicle)... but this blows it out of the water... BMW needs to get in gear (at least make it more available quicker).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaiTFkHrMNE

I think BMW makes its latest techs more readily available on non-flagship vehicles, at least compared to Mercedes-Benz.

For example, X has HUD and electronic parking brake, while ML still uses conventional foot parking brake and no HUD or anything that feels high tech. Only S-Class, I believe, has the electronic parking brake (probably CL-class as well, which is essentially a coupe version of S-class). BMW also featured FlexRay on X5 first, rather than its flagship model 7er. And ML doesn't have BMW equivalent option for Active Steering.

S-class is amazing, but it seems that Mercedes just keeps its high tech on the flagship model only, and never on lesser models like E or ML.

You are comparing a flagship with a non-flagship. Compare the F01 7-series with S-class and see who wins. ;) and wait till BMW has a new flagship.

http://www.7-forum.com/modelle/f01/g...umente_ani.gif

:iagree:

Hey LeMans---now that this LED type instrument panel is in the new 7 series--do you have any estimate on when it will be in the e70--maybe 2010 models ?

^Not before facelift/LCI.

I know it's been mentioned before, but how can we retrofit the new system in to our pre-09 vehicles? :D

While this would most likely be an expensive retrofit, I hope they at least offer software updates that will provide the improved interface.

Need a hard drive too......:D

> While this would most likely be an expensive retrofit, I hope they at least offer software updates that will provide the improved interface.


Generally they improve vehicles to encourage people to trade-in their older vehicles for a new one. Offering a retrofit for previously sold models doesn't fit that business model.

From today's New York Times:

For iDrive 4.0, BMW Decides to Bring Back a Few Buttons
By JOHN R. QUAIN
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ONE is hard pressed to recall an automotive feature that has been as relentlessly criticized as iDrive, the central control system in many BMWs. “Dizzying,” “hindrance” and “knobsense” are some of the kinder words that have been used to describe the often bewildering computerized interface that operates the navigation, communications and entertainment systems.
But just as relentlessly, BMW has clung to iDrive through seven years of adjustments, upgrades and tweaks. Now, in some cars that became available this month, the company is offering a new system with a revised interface that is easier to use and may be ready to shed its image as a symbol of technology run amok.

The iDrive system was originally intended to be a paragon of simplicity. BMW engineers said they thought the growing thicket of inscrutable buttons on car dashboards was confusing. So they eliminated many of the buttons and knobs and replaced them with iDrive’s in-dash LCD display and a rotating, sliding, toggling knob on the center console, allowing drivers to select among myriad controls and settings. But as engineers sometimes do, they went too far.

The iDrive could (and still can) control everything from the temperature settings and the speed of the air-conditioning fan to the radio, navigation system and cellphone. The trouble was that it was frustratingly complex. In one version of the system, for example, one had to navigate multiple screens just to turn up the air-conditioning; storing a preferred radio station took up to five spins and clicks of the knob. And the on-screen menus, which started from an odd eight-point compass screen, used abstruse initials like “BC” (meaning board computer, used to access features like distance-to-empty and fuel economy) and “PDC pic” (meaning park distance control, which helps with parking).
As if all this weren’t bad enough, earlier iDrives were so slow to respond that changing any setting was best performed while the car was parked.
But over the years, BMW throttled back on the iDrive, first adding buttons for climate controls, then a row of programmable buttons so that drivers could get directly to functions of their choice. Later, the eight-point compass menu was cut to four.

Now, with what is officially BMW’s fourth version of iDrive, the company has abandoned the compass menu for a traditional vertical list and branching-tree structure. The iDrive control knob still sits ahead of the center armrest, but it is surrounded by a cluster of seven buttons. The voice recognition system has been tweaked with a faster computer processor and 80 gigabyte hard drive that lets iDrive switch more quickly between functions and controls.
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This great-grandson of iDrive made its debut in revised 2009 3 Series and 1 Series models this month as a roughly $2,000 option (depending on the model). It will be standard in 7 Series models starting in the spring.

Sitting behind the wheel of a preproduction 2009 335d, I immediately felt more comfortable with the new iDrive. The crisp 8.8-inch display still eschews a touch screen (the company doesn’t want drivers leaning forward to change settings) in favor of the control knob, but the knob works more consistently and simply with the on-screen menus. You spin the knob to go down a menu list, push it to select an item, or just shove it left to go back to the previous menu. (Now was that so hard?)

The result is that you can skip to functions you want more quickly. And a large round on-screen icon changes depending on the area you have highlighted.

For example, a musical note graphic pops up for the CD/Multimedia selection. This made it easier to tell where I was with a quick glance.
The seven buttons around the iDrive knob also made it easier to switch among functions. They give you direct access to the CD, main menu, phone, radio, navigation and options screens, in addition to the always helpful “back” button. The push buttons vary in shape so it’s easy to learn them by feel.

Incidentally, for those who must always be tethered to an iPod, there’s a connector for the music player in the armrest, and the iDrive will display an iPod’s track, album and artist information on screen.

You can also rip CDs directly to the system’s hard drive or copy digital music files from any device connected to the U.S.B. port in the glove compartment.

The copying function will continue even if you switch to the radio or the navigation function.

Planning and following routes is also easier on the new iDrive. The screen can be split to show different views side by side, like a large overview map of an area next to a close-up perspective of your location. Thankfully, it can now also be set to show a single, simple view on the entire screen.
To enter addresses, rather than displaying a standard QWERTY keyboard layout, the alphanumeric characters are laid out around a rotary dial on the screen, which corresponds to the spinning of the iDrive controller. (Audi has been using a similar approach for several years.) I found this much quicker and easier to master than the usual on-screen keyboard.
The navigation system offers drivers three route choices: fastest, shortest and most fuel-efficient. Live traffic reports are delivered free over Clear Channel’s FM service.

If twirling knobs and pushing buttons isn’t for you, iDrive includes an improved voice-command system. Unlike the previous version, after pushing the voice control button you no longer have to wait for a beep to start speaking. And in addition to switching between functions, you can speak city and street names to plot a route or say the name of a contact to dial a Bluetooth-connected cellphone.

BMW owners will also be able to dig deeper into iDrive. For example, they can change programs that previously only dealers could adjust, like the automatic door-lock settings, as well as check information like the tire pressure. The version that will appear in the new 7 Series will also offer an on-screen owner’s manual with instructional videos (which can be watched only when the car is stopped).

BMW has accumulated driver data that, it says, has helped to improve iDrive, including having about 600 people use a driving simulator to tweak this version of the system. In all, I did find that the new personalization and customization features allowed me to tailor the interface to suit my preferences, depending on whether I preferred push buttons, the spinning knob or voice commands.

The system may be easier to use, but has BMW finally eliminated the problem of driver distraction? Absolutely not. The voice-recognition software — like all such programs on the market — is far from perfect.
Moreover, there will always be drivers who will insist on plotting new routes or spinning through their iPod playlists while meandering up the Merritt Parkway. (Indeed, the fact that BMW will offer full Internet access and live TV in the European market, but not in the United States, says something about how much they trust us with this technology.) However, until some advanced voice-control system arrives that can comprehend every syllable without a mistake or hesitation, this may be the best BMW can achieve.

LeMansX5,

Thanks for the good info again :) I wouldn't find having all this new iDrive and Nav in my 2008 E70 :(

I did notice the comment about "...there will always be drivers who will insist on plotting new routes or spinning through their iPod playlists while meandering up the Merritt Parkway..." That wasn't an editorial comment from you based on my posts yesterday was it? :stickpoke

Thanks, LeMans--cool info.

Now that the '09's are arriving, have we seen the new CIC or is it confirmed that we won't see them until March production??

so jealous of the harddrive helping speed and storage.

You are welcome. Somebody is paying attention. ;)

You are welcome.

Jon Spira at BMWCCA sets the record straight on NYT's review:

Quote:

BMW introduced the fourth generation of its oft-criticized iDrive cockpit controller system in the 2009 3 Series this fall. The New York Times' review of the latest version of iDrive this week sees the latest version as a marked improvement over previous iterations, but the reviewer gets several facts wrong in comparing the new-and-improved iDrive to its predecessors. NEW YORK TIMES: Earlier iDrives were so slow to respond that changing any setting was best performed while the car was parked. We say: While pre-4.0 iDrive systems set no speed records, this is simply not correct. While the Gen 1 iDrive (as introduced in September 2001 in the 2002 E65/E66 7 Series) was a bit of a laggard, it was also built on a platform that was discarded fairly quickly. Even this system was fast enough to be used when driving; its complex menu structure, however, did slow the driver down—but that is clearly not what The Times had in mind. Starting with Generation 2 (introduced in the 2004 E60/E61 5 Series), iDrive, while not setting speed records, could not be characterized as slow, either. Subsequent software upgrades provided some improvement in speed, and the Gen 3 iDrive (introduced in March 2007) could even be considered snappy. [Not if that's the iDrive in the 335i it can't!—SC] NYT: [An] 80-gigabyte hard drive . . . lets iDrive switch more quickly between functions and controls. Us: The hard drive speeds up navigation and other functions but has nothing to do with the speed with which iDrive switches between “functions and controls.” NYT: There’s a connector for the music player in the armrest. Us: Not an iDrive feature, this was an option (6FL) that was introduced in several models as of March 2007 production. NYT: You can speak city and street names to plot a route or say the name of a contact to dial a Bluetooth-connected cell phone. Us: Speaking city and street names has been an iDrive function for several years; speaking names of contacts in a mobile phone has been available since at least iDrive 2.0 with the introduction of the CCC (Car Communication Computer)-based iDrive. NYT: For example, they [BMW Owners] can change programs that previously only dealers could adjust, like the automatic door-lock settings, as well as check information like the tire pressure. Us: Personal Profiles (which allow owners to set things like door locks) were introduced in September 2005 in the 2006 3 Series . Tire-pressure monitoring via iDrive has been available in various guises for several years as well.

from e90post forums...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1225452190

I like the console area there near the shifter. It's a bit more busy but it's elegantly done. They're saying this is the new X1 or X3 cockpit. Wonder if this is what the X5s are getting too...

The pic link you posted is from new F01 750Li. Not X1. Will post better pics.

The first 09's at my dealer have the old style I drive. Anyone know when the new I drive will make it into the X5?

Craig

^^After March 2009.

Thanks,

Craig

No reason why BMW can't slap on a 500 gig drive unless they are experimenting with something that is solid state to compensate for driving conditions.

Since the new CIC maker is the same as the previous CCC maker, there may be opportunities for backwards compatibility (hopefully).

one has to wonder about an actual harddrive and extreme temperatures / temperature changes... what are some vehicles/manufacturers who already use them?

Hard drives are pretty common in cars now. Time will tell how long they hold up. I'd imagine the automakers are looking at the new Solid State Drives and will use them once the pricing comes down.

Will this be an '09LCI or a 2010?? I had been thinking about a 35d, but with the cost of diesel, fuel savings are chopped from 26% to 14% (after accounting for the cost of diesel in my area) and the future cost of diesel is uncertain. I had heard the X5 will get the TT from the 335 and X6 for 2010. If this is the case, I might wait. With the current residuals on X5's in Canada, this vehicle would be a purchase as opposed to a lease, so I have to be a bit more critical about what I choose.

2009 is already out so no LCI on 2009.

Press Release: BMW iDrive: The Original Sets New Standards.

Second generation of BMW's innovative control concept even more intuitive and easier to use after intense development and testing. Already featured throughout the BMW model range from the 1 to the 7 Series.

Munich. Everything in view. Everything under control.
Proceeding from this clear-cut principle, BMW presented the innovative iDrive control concept back in 2001, becoming the world's first car maker to offer a system allowing the user to mastermind essential vehicle, entertainment, navigation and telecommunication functions via a central Controller on the centre console and a multifunctional Control Display in the instrument panel, in this way replacing a wide range of conventional switches, buttons and displays.

Now, seven years later, BMW proudly presents the second generation of BMW iDrive. The superiority of this thoroughly new system compared with comparable copies introduced in the meantime by the competition is the result of a consistent development BMW started back in 2002 just one year after launching the first generation of iDrive and is based not only on research know-how in the areas of ergonomics and perception studies, but also on the results of empirical analyses and practical tests naturally embracing customers the world over.

Unique: BMW iDrive as the ideal solution from the compact car all the way to the luxury class.
The basic principle of BMW iDrive to separate the control unit and the display from one another has been adopted in the meantime by other premium car makers. But the original still sets the standard - particularly after the introduction of the new generation of BMW iDrive presented in autumn 2008 in the new BMW 7 Series and the new BMW 3 Series.

At the same time BMW's new iDrive is now entering the market in the BMW 6 Series, the BMW 5 Series, and the BMW 1 Series. No other manufacturer is therefore able to offer such a convincing, uniform control concept in such a large number of different vehicle segments ranging from the compact car all the way to the luxury performance saloon.

Not least, this is why BMW iDrive has long become the synonym for multifunctional display and control in the automobile. Positioned in ideal ergonomic arrangement on the centre console, the Controller is now as important to many motorists as the mouse for the user of a computer. More than two million cars with BMW iDrive have been sold since 2001.

Systematic development with customer tests the world over.
In the course of the development process which already started back in 2002, four possible concepts were considered for the new generation of iDrive for their user-friendliness. All phases in the development of BMW's new iDrive were furthermore accompanied by intense customer enquiries and practical tests. This involved the use of mobile driving simulators, cockpit models and two concept cars equipped with prototypes of the new system variants. An evaluation programme with a total of 500 representative test persons was furthermore conducted at four different locations in Europe, America and Asia.

The focus in these tests was to conduct various control operations in typical driving situations. One example was the process of changing lanes on the road first without performing any additional functions and subsequently while entering one's destination at the same time. This lane change test clearly showed which concept made it particularly easy for the driver to largely maintain his ideal line while using the navigation system. In the process the updated concepts were optimised until finally BMW's engineers and researchers were able to establish the best and most suitable system, the second generation of BMW iDrive.

A further highlight in examining the features and qualities of BMW's new iDrive was to optimise the time required by the user to operate the system efficiently both when trying it out the first time and when using iDrive regularly. A number of systematic comparisons quickly showed that when using BMW's new iDrive even the very first time, and particularly when using the system regularly, the user requires far less time to make himself acquainted with the control operations than with other systems offered by other manufacturers.

The occlusion method also applied for making comparisons with other manufacturers and their systems provided particularly detailed information on user-friendliness, enabling BMW's engineers to determine how and under which conditions the user is able to interrupt a specific control operation.

This test clearly showed that BMW's new iDrive allows the driver to split up tasks such as selecting a specific source of music or determining his destination in the navigation system into several control steps conducted one after the other, with the driver required to take his eyes off the road only very briefly. In other words, the driver is able to complete individual operations such as navigating to his destination by means of lists or changing among various radio stations in a "blind" process, without even looking at the controls.

Once again, therefore, the occlusion method confirmed the decision already taken in developing the first generation of iDrive to opt for interaction of the Controller and Control Display instead of using a touchscreen.

BMW's new iDrive: easy to understand, easy to memorise, clearly structured.
BMW's new iDrive ideally fulfils the tasks and requirements defined in the development phase. In its design and configuration, the new Controller follows the most advanced biomechanical know-how reflected by the Controller's touch surface and clearly structured mechanical features. The individual operating steps with the Controller being tipped to the side, turned or pressed, are largely the same as the operation steps conducted by the user of a computer with his mouse. Turning the Controller, for example, the user browses through a list of individual menu items, then pressing the Controller to confirm the function chosen. Tipping the Controller to the left or right, on the other hand, the user is able to navigate through the various menu levels.

Introducing the second generation of BMW iDrive, BMW now offers a Control Display measuring either 10.2 or 8.8 inches and exceeding all existing graphic surfaces seen in an automobile so far not only in terms of its size alone. Display resolution of 1,280 x 480 pixels allows clear presentation of true-to-detail graphics with a level of brilliance and clear focus quite comparable to that of High Definition TV (HDTV).

BMW as the driving force in progress: from CARIN all the way to iDrive.
Right from the start, the development of BMW iDrive was directly based on a wide range of experience already gained by BMW in the area of driver assistance and interior configuration.


As far back as in the 1990s, BMW's designers and engineers started considering how the constantly increasing number of comfort functions in the automobile might be masterminded in the safest and most efficient manner.

Up to this time the integration of a new function in the car always involved the use of additional buttons and displays in the cockpit. So back in 1994 the engineers developing the then BMW 7 Series combined the world's first navigation system in the automobile with the CARIN car information system serving as an on-board computer. Six years later the first radio system with an integrated navigation function was presented in the BMW 3 Series. And with iDrive entering the market just one year on, BMW for the first time gave the driver the wonderful option to control a wide range of different functions with one single control unit and a central display: a genuine revolution in the cockpit of the car.

Optimised control concept for even greater supremacy.
Supplementing the Controller, multifunction buttons on the steering wheel gave the driver the opportunity right from the start to activate selected entertainment and telecommunication functions without having to take his hands off the steering wheel. The favourite buttons then introduced in 2007 subsequently helped to make control operations even easier and more systematic.

Now the new generation of BMW iDrive comes with no less than eight favourite buttons on the centre console, enabling the user for the first time to save not only radio stations, telephone numbers and navigation destinations, but also all menu items subsequently available for direct retrieval via iDrive.

As an additional innovation, the second generation of BMW's revolutionary control system comes with four direct selection keys on the Controller for the menu options used most frequently. Pressing these keys, therefore, the driver is able to spontaneously change among the CD, radio, telephone and navigation functions - in the same way as in entertainment electronics - particularly quickly and efficiently, again making the entire system very easy to learn and memorise.

BMW iDrive leading the development of vehicle control concepts.
BMW iDrive has revolutionised the control and operation of the car significantly and with a lasting impact. And now this pioneering work is paying off once again, with BMW iDrive remaining the benchmark for all systems of this kind.

It is quite astounding to note that hardly any user of a computer knows the name of the US IT pioneer Doug Engelbart who almost 40 years ago took out a patent on the computer mouse he had developed as a genuine breakthrough in the world today. But with BMW iDrive the situation is exactly the other way round: not only BMW drivers know exactly which cars boast the unparalleled original.

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Thanks, LeMans--that is good stuff. I like the LED instrument panel--hopefully that goes in after March as well or for MY2010.

They really should put up a flash demo of this thing online so we can see every feature of it. I was looking for a demo of the old (current) idrive prior to my purchase too.

LeMansX5,

Can you stop posting picture and details of the new iDrive?!?!?! They are driving me crazy :tantrum: I want that so much in my 2008 E70 :(

I'm assuming there's no way to get the new idrive installed on an '08?

I hope that there is a way!!

That's it. I'm waiting until the new iDrive system is available for the E70. Thanks for the updated information.

As the greatness of Kip sang at the end of Napoleon Dynamite: "I Love Technology".

Do you think there are enough buttons for the driver to deal with in the new 7 series? I think BMW has seriously gone overboard. I think if you don't drive the car for just one week you'll probably forget what half of the buttons do.

Oh and I can't wait to hear about the battery drain issues that are going to plaque this sucker. My guess is that it will have 2 full size batteries that will be completely drained in 6 hours if the car is left standing still.

so is there any way in the future that we 07/08 models can get this new
 

navigation system??

wow! those graphics are amazing!

I wonder if the graphics will really be that good? or is this going to turn out to be another case of false advertising like with the backup camera. I hope its not.

I was at the dealer friday and test drove the 09 M3 and the new iDrive was installed. It's pretty cool and easier to navigate! I also, test drove the 09 X5 but, still had the old iDrive (I guess they are coming in later?)

Which vehicle did you prefer??

The one that doesn't break down.

If yo want avehicle that doesn't break down, you're in the wrong dealership - head over to Honda! Ahh, but the drive is worth the hassle, isn't it??

For the fun to drive around switch backs at West Chester I liked the 09 M3, sucker has some power! But, I liked the 09 X5 4.8 more because it's soo deceiving. My only gripe is the wheel/tire combo which was lame. I rather like the wheels on the older 4.8s. Now, if they can put the X6 50i engine in the new X5, I would put a deposit down.

is there a new wheel/tire combo for 09 X5?

Just for the diesel...

Craig

I guess to have the best of both worlds you have to buy both vehicles. I drove both the 3.0si and the 4.8. I liked the power of the 4.8, but didn't like the gas mileage. The 3.0si had better fuel economy but I found it a bit weak in the performance department. I'm hoping the diesel will be "just right". Not fast, but not slow and torque right where one needs it for daily urban driving.

As for the wheels; I drove a 4.8 with the sport package and couldn't wait to return it to the dealership. The ride was harsh and the tram lining was horrible (OK, the roads in my city have a fair bit of rutting in the asphalt). If I want to wrestle, I'll do in on the mat, rather than behind the wheel. The 3.0si with the standard wheel setup was perfect for me.

With fuel economy at 11.5L/100 city and 7.5L/100 hwy, the 35d will get the same fuel mileage as a Honda Accord V6, but will have much more utility and be more fun to drive. Hopefully I won't be in the dealership every week with problems.

Are there pictures of the wheels (or size/description)?

I read the 09 brochure wrong. Same wheels for the 30i and the diesel. Style 212 19" for the sport package 19x9.0 star spoke.

Craig

Any pricing yet?

My dealer told me pricing would come out in 10-12 days from when I talked to him on 11/03/08 for the diesel..

Craig

My dealer says the same and expects the diesel to carry a $2,000CAD premium over the 3.0si. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I've heard between $2800-$3000 more for the diesel over the 30i.

All we can do is wait to see what the price really is. Everything else is just speculation...

Dealers are taking orders now, but I'm wating until pricing comes out. No reason to get in a hurry. Cars aren't flying off the dealers lots right now.

Craig

I agree about waiting. In fact I'm going to place an order for the first March production slot I can get. I'd like to have the new CIC.

This is a fairly significant change in the E70, due in March I believe. Do you think the March production will be an early 2010 model to avoid confusion with the 2009 model?

It's hard to know. Do you remember what happed with the '08 5 series LCI? I believe it was introduced in the summer of '07 as an '08 model. It had no bodywork changes, but included upgrades to the interior.

If the CIC is part of March production as rumored, then it wouldn't surprise me if it was a 2010 LCI that would hit the dealerships in April/May (similar to the 5 series, I think).

In any event, I kind of need a vehicle now as mine was written off. I may be able to use a spare vehicle at work until spring, but if the LCI won't happen until a 2010 introduction next September then I either take a diesel/CIC March production or buy/lease something entirely different.

I always like to have the latest and the greatest (which is why I would try to wait for the CIC), but I can't wait a year. Timing wise for me it's a bit of a pain; the new 5 series was a consideration, but no one really knows when it will hit the showrooms either and I don't really want an end of cycle car.

Time will tell, I guess.

If they do the new iDrive in March as an early 2010 model then most likely no facelift until 2011 model--it will be interesting to see what they do. My bet is they just include it on '09's.

08 5 series did have some minor body changes at LCI as well as some additional changes to exterior lights. LCI press release was in early January. The 08 E60 cars were available in April 07.

How definite is the March production having the new CIC? Any idea if it will be it a 2009 or early 2010 model year?

So if the E70 follows suit, then perhaps we'll see an LCI E70, MY 2010 in April '09?? That would be great.

Who really knows. I read it in this thread; the moderator provided the information.

BMW Dealers around Germany said that the new CIC will not be released until 09/09! Can´t believe that.

Please continue diesel X5 Qs / discussions in diesel X5 launch thread. Thanks.

I have moved diesel X5 posts to the Diesel X5 launch thread.

Any new information about the availability of the new CIC on X5 E70?

2010 model, releasing fall '09 according to my dealer..

My wifes new '09 335xi has the updated iDrive/hard disk/nav screen update - nice and certainly better than the current E70, but not a reason not to buy IMO.

I bought an '09 anyway.

Is everything including the nav pretty much instant? THe current idrive has a delayed response for everything, most notably the nav as it searches the disc.

Regarding Nav - Her 335xi seems to find info quickly.. Probably faster than the '09 X5 that we drove, but we weren't really looking up a lot of info. I'm driving an E53 for two more months and that nav. system/speed/useability is a joke.

I found the music/climate lookup pretty quick - no noticeable lag.

Of course your dealer will tell you that. He wanted you to buy the X5 now. There is no way he would want you to wait until March/April to possibly buy the X5 because you could fall in love with something else and never buy another X5.

I think BMW just might offer the new iDrive/Nav update in the X5 starting in March/April 2009. Not only that, but because there is a chance (in my mind) that it could be called a 2010 model with the turbocharged 6 cylinder engine finally available in the X5, I am patiently waiting. If the 8 cylinder becomes available, that's just icing on the cake.

Although my contacts at both Twin Cities dealers would only say they don't know, they did not deny the possibility.:thumbup:

:thumbup:

It being January, there really should be no reason not to wait till March right now, unless ppl are coming off lease and need to make a decision.

Scott has also confirmed spring release of new iDrive on X5 and X6.

Great news!! I will now get an 09 xDrive35d!!

Tim

On 12/31/08 I placed an order for an '09 4.8i. I have been waiting for the new 'M' or whatever they are going to call the 4.4TT (as well as waiting for the new CIC/iDrive). Prior to my order I had asked about the arrival of the new/updated X5 and was told that it 'wouldn't arrive until later in the year'.

I was doing some more digging today, ran across a post on the X6-side, and re-connected with my local dealer. Here's a paste when I pushed for what 'later in the year' actually meant regarding the 4.4TT:

I just spoke with the rep from BMW and he said it may be released earlier

But, they are not definite yet......

....BMW is not ready to make an official statement yet.


Could they be announcing at one of these?

http://www.naias.com/the-2009-show/overview.aspx Aka Detroit Auto Show (Public Show - January 17-25, 2009)
http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/about/index.asp (Public Show - February 13-22)


FWIW, I just cancelled my order - I'm waiting to see what Feb 13th brings Worst case is I re-order the '09 4.8i and drive a rental for a few weeks

Daddy likes ----> http://www.autofans.us/images/BMW/Tw...W%20X5%201.jpg

Well BMW will never let the cat out of the bag (nor will any other brand) on new features, engines at a later date---they want the sales now. The M that has been talked about on here will have even a bigger engine than the X6 5.0. And it definitely will have a bigger price tag (like $20K more) than the 4.8 you just cancelled. IMO they will put the 2 TT engines they have in the X6 as the non-M X5 models and launch the M that has some ridiculous :wow: HP number.

I understand and agree.

I say 'M' and what I mean is what the dealer has told me is coming in the near term - an enhanced 4.4 TT aka 5.0 (+/- 407 hp)..

I should have differentiated that from any potential ///M (X5) variation.

The X6, X5 ///M is supposed to have more than 507hp. Most powerful BMW ///M ever.

So, do you believe there will be two 'upgraded' X5's coming?

40X HP
500+ HP

I'd take 4xx at this point, but 500 seems to be where they need to be to be competitive with the (HP at least) ML63 and PC Turbo S.

It would make economic sense for BMW to use the same engines in the X6 in any updated X5's.

Per BMW birdie; X6 will always have more powerful engine than X5. If X5 3.0si gets the TT6 than X6 will end up with upgraded TT6 with more power. Same goes for X5 4.8i vs X6 50i.

According to the BMW Blog, the X5 and X6 will get the new iDrive in September as a 2010 model. I say it makes sense, since March always seemed kind of weird.

Source: http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/01/06/bm...-in-september/

As for March/Spring for new models, BMW has done March/Spring releases so many times, e.g. 2006 3-series, 2008 5-series, X6 35i, F10 5-series will release in Spring 2010, etc.

Its also good for BMW to have same iDrive version across their model line-up sooner than later.
I trust Scott and my sources more than bmwblog.

^ in that blog he states the nav screen will not change - talking about the higher resolution? Is that part accurate?

If BMW-Blog is right, I´ll go and cancel my orders as soon as possible

I wonder about this. Why would the mighty 5 series have to settle for the same tt the 3 series has? Why wouldn't it always have a more powerful engine as it carries a higher "premium" value? Or conversely why didn't the 3 series get limited to the 328 model and leave the more powerful tt for the 5?

It seems to me that the economics would dictate a fewer number of drivetrains. If the tt six is in the X5 and an uprated tt 6 is in the X6, unless it is the same basic engine with slightly different tuning for a bump in HP (Porsche does this), then BMW has to produce 2 entirely different motors, which based on history has only happened for a very short time until a changeover can occur.

Just my $.02 worth.

> plans always change.

Yeah, people sometimes forget that. For example, it is quite possible that BMW was planning to introduce the new i-drive to the X5 in March, but a technical snag developed and in reviewing it, combined with lowering sales projections due to the economy, it was postponed until the normal 2010 model year introduction.

I am not saying that is what happened, or will happen, but it is is an example of how, at a given point in time, a March introduction date could be 100% accurate, but the introduction not actually happening until later in the year.

But why do a lot of german dealers confirm Mar 09 (also those wo said Sept 09 before)? Are they lying to increase their sales?

Not sure, let's wait and see what happens. Until there is an official confirmation from BMW, this is all speculation in the end.

if I hear something "more official", I will def post it here

Of course all 07 & 08 owners want to know if the new idrive can be retrofitted into their existing vehicles. I'm sure if there's a will, there's a way. Heck if you can retrofit nav from scratch, I'm sure you can upgrade - although it will probably cost as much as a whole new nav install.

So rather than speculate if it's possible, we need to talk to some 3 series owners that already have the new idrive and see how the guts are different from the previous 3 series.

Any 3 owners here??

just wondering the life span of hard drive in a moving car.... Hard Drive in general is like record player that need a needle touching the physical plate. Notebook has some sensor to part the drive head if it detect falling... or notebook is moving... but car is constantly on the move... what prevent it from not damage the plate? Have anyone ever drop a laptop accidentally.. while the power is on? U damange the HD...... imaging hitting a nasty bump.. damage the rim.. and also Damage the HD... total disaster...

Unlike the usual hard drive in most laptops, solid state hard drives have no moving parts. :thumbup: Some of the new laptops these days have solid state drives.

Infiniti has been doing this for two years with no problems that I have heard of. I would assume they are using solid state as well since vibration could be a problem. The head in a harddrive doesn't actually touch the platter but your points are still valid.

Tim

:iagree: Craig

In Germany also several enginge updates, 30d (235hp->245hp) and 35d (286hp->300hp) are discussed. Maybe BMW opens NAIAS with a bang!? ;-) For my opinion the engine update is not realistic because of the recently US market introduction for the Diesel technologie... A slight chance for the European market may exist.

More German dealers confirmed new iDrive (X5 X6) for March 09 production today. Several forum users called their dealers and posted the results.

Teaser pics from X5 ///M thread on how the new iDrive controller will look in X5.

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Seems like the i-drive knob is not in the greatest location because of the shifter. Probably an improvement over the one in the E53 though.

E53 did not have an i-drive knob, unless the rest of the world missed something, LOL...

Hmmm.... you sure about that. ?

E53 = No I-drive knob from BMW AG MUNICH.

Love the multi-color stitching M steering wheel with paddle shift!! I had that on my E39 and it was amazing! :thumbup:

I wonder why they made the iDrive controller higher now. In the current E70 setup, the small storage compartment is above the iDrive controller. Now it is below? Whatever the case, I trust BMW ergonomics experts.

I notice it has the carbon leather trim. I have that in my current e92 M3. Its very nice indeed.

Whatever you say.

Well, if it really is set for March production, we should find out pretty soon.

Though if sales are not doing well, it could be delayed, even if the original date was March. Typically auto manufacturers don't like to throw away good parts, and if they have components in the system, they will probably "balance them out" before implementing the switch.

The teaser pics I posted ARE of X5.

New iDrive system
 

Now the 5-series and the 3-series have the new version of iDrive and the upgraded sat nav with hard drive, I was wondering if anybody knew when the X5 is likely to get this system?

for sure MY2010. maybe some late MY2009 ones too.

Thanks for the reply. When will the MY2010 come out?

i think bmw starts manufacturing in october. can someone confirm?

+1 for MY 2010 - Sept/Oct

has this been confirmed. I thought it was up for march build...

I was also told march

I have just been to buy a new X5 and told the dealer that I want to wait until the new iDrive is fitted to the X5.

He told me Week 40 is when they will start production of X5s with the new iDrive.

Whens week 40 ?

That will be October 09 new production for MY2010 X5!

Well it's this easy, I have a march 11th build date, if I can't officially find out that the I drive is the new version in March I will end my order and re order one when I actually see one with it :) its that simple. I can wait, I happen to own other stuff to drive.

March 11th will still be the old build X5. I had an early March build date for a M-Sport X5 and I found it had the old code FF0235. So I cancelled it and got a new build date for late March. The new code for the M-Sport is FF0236. I would check your order and make sure you have ordered the new production?

That is hilarious! Pretend iDrive. They should call it PiDrive. :rofl:

Hey glad someone finally noticed! As raving a success as i-drive has been it does seem like a great idea to screw up the E53 X5 with one don't you think!? And it's only 350 euros!

I don't follow, so you are saying that the new build in late March of FF0236 will be with the new i-drive system?

Dealers were NOT notified when the 5 series got the new I-drive controller and it was a bit of a surprise when cars actually arrived. They WERE however notified when the complete I-drive system is to go in - March/09 but as an early 2010 build.

Such will be the case with the X5. I am willing to bet that March/09 production will only get the new I-drive controller with the extra buttons. Oct/09 production (i.e. 2010 model) will get the full blown updated I-drive with the hard drive, hi-res screen etc. and dealers WILL be informed of that change probably late summer just before the new year prod.

When a dealer orders vehicles in advance for their inventory, they get a full spec sheet of any changes or updates to vehicle equipment. No changes have been identified for March/09 prod. So again, a new controller at the most!

+1

The Australian dealer's do have the new March production changes but are of minor upgrades, some item now standard and mainly price increase on option. The 35d gets 10kw increase in power, mainly because the new standard in diesel fuel in Australia is now 5ppm of sulpher.

Nothing on iDrive except the rumour is the new iDrive Controller knob with buttons will be installed but not the new harddrive based iDrive, that will come in the Sept 09 production!

Yes, that is correct. New iDrive will be installed in Sept 09 for X5/X6. 100%

My dealaship confirmed week 40 to me yesterday.

I've gone back and forth on this, but decided to get a car now. My car got manufactured in Feb. The new controller isn't very exciting. If anything I dont really see how it improves things. The new idrive though is a different story.

These 3 variations will surely make it easy on the techs who will have to support this stuff huh. Wouldn't it have been easier to show... new controller = new idrive? Or maybe they just stopped producing the old controllers. :D

The whole idea behind the new controller is easier navigation. You can click on one button instead of going through three menus to get to a function. It's like clicking the 'email' button on your keyboard instead of going to 'Start, Programs, Outlook..." :D Makes life a little easier especially when you're driving!

Yes. Had a 09 528 loaner for a week because they didn't have the x5 part. It had the new iDrive -- because it didn't have NAV, I can't speak to the speed when looking up destination. The extra buttons are just EXTRA in my opion. Didn't provide additional value at all. You know you can do the same simply just pushing and hold the current iDrive button for 1 sec, and it will jump to the climate, communication, nav, radio screen right? To me that's actaully eaiser, since I have gotton those 4 direction memorized. Those short cut button's are small and you have to look down to see which on you're pressing and takes your eyes off the road. It's no different than the Wife's audi. they all just copy each other.

Newest BMW Navigation?

BMW purportedly working on adaptive ILENA navigation system - Engadget

Yup, will not be here for a bit.
http://www.xoutpost.com/lounge/58402-...on-system.html

Had driven similar car as a loaner, and yes, :iagree: . Those buttons are worthless, except the "Back" button. I can see using that one once in a while.

Not true. With the current system,

you can create shortcuts for audio sources to go directly to them. You can use the steering wheel to mimic the mode button on the dash. Theres a mode button on the dash anyway .... and on top of all of that, hold the controller in one of the four directions and it will goto the last menu for climate, entertainment, navigation and communications. The buttons are a complete waste of time.

I agree. Now that I have experience with both, the buttons don't really add much to the party. The sad thing is though, the HOLD THE CONTROLER feature no longer works as the "compass" concept no longer exists.

Yep. CIC

E90, E91, E92, E93 September 2008
E60, E61, E63, E64 March 2009
E70, E71, October 2009
F01, F02 SOP
E89 SOP

Wondering if anyone has had any recent update as to when the new i-drive will make it's intro? I've read on one article that listed Sept production but any other reliable updates?

Both X5 and X6 are getting the new iDrive controller and software as of 2010model.

FWIW, my dealer told me the same thing - he said all models are getting the new controllers and software for 2010.

So when does production for the 2010 start? Sept or Oct?

looks sweet. 6 SPD!

pissed just got my x5 4.8 and i gotta hear this shit now

2010 will also not have as good deals in the begining as they are giving now.
Minor cosmetic difference. ;)
Will be in showroom in October per info from my birdie. ;)

That means 2010 production starts in September ? :dunno:

Just the iDrive controller and some software in the '10. The whole Nav/iDrive like in the new 7 Series is supposedly coming out this Spring as an '11 (along with a minor facelift and rumored Twin Turbo engines).

Yeah it's probably pretty close--I think my dealer said they aren't taking any new builds on '09s unless they can modify one that's already allocated to them.

My source says the 2010 X5 M will hit showrooms before 2010 regular X5s. They will make enough X5 Ms first for each dealer before they start the regular 2010 X5s.

Its official, 2010 gets the new iDrive.

My In-law just ordered a 35d here in Sydney last week however the dealer just called with an update advising them that they still don't have confirmation yet from the factory with Vin allocation details etc only to expect ETA late November, much longer than usual ...
Could he be on the 2010 production books?

Did he ask for 2010 model?

No, don't think so, just walked in and placed an order.

He can still ask for 2010 model and there should be no penalty for that. I once changed my mind on a option after car was half built and they just put my order again.

Great point, i'll get him to do that cause if he finds out that he's just missed out on the latest & greatest by a month or so then i'll never hear the end of it...:D

We need pictures of new iDrive in 2010 X5!!!