X5 E70 Navigation Upgrade
 

I just installed a 16:9 Widescreen in my 2007 X5. I am preparing to install the Navigation System. Is the Nav System Plug N Play is I already have the On Board Computer and I Drive? I have called the dealer and they are not sure. Need some help. :dunno:

Hey, I'm researching the same as i'm planning to upgrade to Nav on our new 08 X5. So far haven't found much info... Do you have a complete parts list for the Nav retrofit? If you do it would be great if you can hook me up. All i know is that once you install all the parts you need you will have to take the vehicle to the dealer for a complete recode.

Now, did the 16:9 screen worked just plug and play?

btw, this is the thread i've started about the same thing. The retrofit package for nav mentioned in the thread is comming up as a bad part according to the parts people at the dealer... like i said not much info otherwise... so lets combine resources on this!:D

It is not plug & play. The parts will cost you approx $4000 and you will have to gut most of the interior to run new wiring harnesses - in the dash, under the centre console and under the seats/carpeting to the trunk. Take a look at the E53 nav retrofit pages to give you an idea.

The E70 Navigation stuff is all in the dash isn't it? Certainly my DVD drive for the disc, all the video modules etc are in the dash.

What needs running to the trunk? Presumably you need to remove headliner for the shark fin gps but apart from that I would expect it to be easier than the E53.

(By the way I am speculating - I know absolytely nothing about this! :dunno: )

hmm... i don't beleive its the case with e70, i think the two main components needed are the new head unit and the display. I beleive the sharkfin is already sattelite ready. I don;t know for sure, but this is what i think based on the pretty limited ammount of info outthere...

I'm still pretty surprised no one has done this retrofit on the e70...:dunno:

replacing a 4:3 with a 16:9 on e70?
 

Hi all,
I have a 2009 3.0 e70 without nav but w/satellite. I'd like to gradually retrofit in nav and am starting with the monitor. I've searched and searched and cannot find a retrofit article on monitors for the e70's. Surely it cant be as simple as swapping out the 4:3 for the 16:9, can it? Is it plug and play? And once the 16:9 is in, does the display automatically recognize the widescreen, or continue to display a centered or offset 4:3 image?

THanks in advance to anyone who knows.

Hello : ¿can you tell me how too removed the 4.3 monitor from the dash?
Sorry for my english i from spain.
Thanks alot.
Carlos

Did you folks made any progress with your NAV stuff? I just got an 07 x5.0si without the NAV option and I am desperately looking for a solution.

+1 I have an 09 and would like to understand what options I have for the larger screen with NAV :thumbup:

The BMW Nav system is not as good as a $100 Garmin. If I had it to do over again, I would not get the Nav in my X5,

I am getting my X5 E70 2007in a week or so. I am getting the one with no GPS and also willing to install it at some point.
I also have the same question: Can someone confirm that it is possible to perform direct replacement of the existed 4:3 screen to wide one 16:9 ? For example on older E53 model it was possible and you could just simply replace 4:3 nav screen for 16:9 one. However I am not sure about newer E70 model. Did anyone tried it ? Can we get a pictures of the backside of the 16:9 and 4:3 screens ? Just to compare connectors.
My assumption is that it should be possible to directly repalce 4:3 to 16:9 screens and everything should work well. I was reading many different articles on the net and most people saying it should work.

Lets share information here about that.

I tried to do this with my 2002 X5 3.0i after I bought it with no nav. It turned out to be about a $4000 proposition when it was all said and done. Would be much cheaper to just by an X5 with it already.

With that said, the '06 and older X5's used iBus which was much easier to do. Everything in the new X5's is Fiber optics. Not to be a nay sayer, but even if you get all the right components, the new X5's require require coding from the dealer when you install any electronic component. For example, to install Sirius (which was plug and play in the old E53) is 2 hours of labor for coding.

Everything is software driven as all modules on the BMW MOST bus have to be running the same software version and be coded to accept one another.

If you have the option, just buy the X5 with nav. You'll save yourself money, time, and frustration.

Now I would like to confirm that if you have E70 with no navigation and with the small screen (not the 8.8 inch one) but the smaller one (around 6 inches) you may !!! install 8.8 screen and it will work.

Look at my picture below.

The only disadvantage is that the screen will be a bit messed up at the right side.
All connetors are the same - plug and play.

Nice picture. So what happens when you go into a submenu like entertainment. Does it utilize the entire screen? Also did you need a dealer to recode anything after you put it in. So I asked my dealer if they can add option 609 to my 2007 e70 and they want to charge me $90 to plug it up and see if they can or not. Just sad.

Also where did you obtain the larger screen. It looks like all the people I can find that sells the larger screen with nav are from Europe. Im so surprised that this retrofit business is so discouraged in the USA.

Thanks for the picture and info

I just got my new 2011 yesterday but I spent all day with it, and I just wanted to chime in for a minute.

This is certainly a common statement regarding ANY integrated vehicle NAV system, and it's not without merit.

I am an engineer by trade and I'm having quite a lot of trouble USING it, but when I get it to do what I want, I find this system is really excellent. This is one area where, so far, the documentation is next to useless, but hey..

The Lexus system I just came off of was EXTREMELY easy to use and offered a good implementation of basic features. It was not very pretty (the BMW system is BEAUTIFUL), it was not very fast and it's routing was not the best, but by and by it worked fine.

Garmin is prettier, it's faster and it also works fine. The simple fact that an integrated system is generally much larger and may have better controls is a big advantage over other systems. I think Garmin's real target market are the handheld users and their aircraft avionics (which are excellent) and not so much the auto market. Magellan doesn't ever seem to work well, and every time I see a little tiny Tom Tom unit on someone's dash I just can't help but laugh.

Free map updates are nothing to sneeze at, as our roads here change - sometimes quite dramatically - on a yearly basis, so points to the other makers for that.

What I like about the BMW system..

1. Pretty. VERY pretty. Many reviewers complain about their choice of color scheme and contrast, and while I readily see why they don't like it, it's been working great for me so far. It is (surprise surprise) VERY European in fit / finish / operation and if you don't like it, well.. The perspective view is actually very useful.

2. Fast. It's slow to start up (and that is already starting to make my right eye twitch every time I fire it up) but once it's up, everything is very fast. Most importantly, it recalculates routes instantly, which was actually a big problem with the Lexus.. By the time it had recalculated, I had probably missed the turn. Display update could be faster - I don't understand why in this day and age these systems aren't using at least the last generation in graphics, etc. but what do I know?

3. Accurate. This is the first system I've had that makes more intelligent choices about routing. Most systems use algorithms based on FAST or SHORT - this one adds EFFICIENT and that makes a BIG difference to me.

4. Features. Being integrated is the nicest piece, I suppose, but not just for looks, as of course it's integrated with Bluetooth (for dialing, contacts, etc.) and this has already proven to be a VERY nice addition.. If I could just figure out how in the world to give it a list of destinations, delete, reorder, etc.

It's true: nothing is perfect.

I noticed right away that versus other automakers, they don't charge very much for NAV. Even Toyota wants like $2500 for NAV, which is fairly ridiculous.

sefann,

I did not go to dealer thus no recoding has been involved. Basically I started to install my CCC navigation which I bought from Europe (eBay). First I installed the display and was surprised that all connectors perfectly fitted (actually there are only two connectors there, one is for power and another is LVDS video signal). After that I started to install main CCC module with CD and DVD and here where problem has come - I am missing correct LVDS cable to connect my display and CCC unit. So I just uninstalled CCC unit and plug back original non-navigation one while keeping 8.8" display connected. After that I started the engine and here we go display shows the picture.

Picture is not fully correct in any of the menus - at the right side it is always empty space. So only the same size (6.5") is used on the 8.8" display for the information, the rest is empty, hoever filled with some BMW colors.

If you tak a look, one bottom line of pixels on display is also missing, however one line from the top of the screen is added and it is blank. So basically whole picture is shifted to the bottom for 1 pixel line. It is for all menus.

Once I get my cables I am planning to finally install my CCC.
Vlad

Thanks for the explanation Vlad. I will take note and make sure all the cables I need come along with purchase. I am about a month away from getting mine from europe too. Good luck with your install when your cable comes in. Do share some pictures when you are done. I really can't wait to buy mine now. Thanks.

has anyone successfully retrofitted a navigation system to their E70 X5?

Yes, I just did.

Ok how that was:

I got my E70 with no navigation. I bought separatelly few parts: CCC navigation + screen from ebay, plastic trim for the dashboard from the dealer. I also managed to use the same cable for the display instead of buying a new one and finally I did fan wiring by my self (3 wires, very simple).

After successfull installation to the vehicle I found that navigation works but I lost sound from my speakers, bluetooth, pdc and some other functions.

I went to the dealer and ask them to code my car. They estimated and told me the price - around 400$ CAD (in Canada the prices are crazy). I came back home and decided to code vehicle my self.

I got a cable for programming of the vehicle off the ebay, it cost aprox 140$. I also got software off torrent and spent 3 days reading one russian forum (I read russian well). Once I got all info I need I just simply programmed my vehicle. It took me aprox 15 minutes.

Thats it :thumbup:

Now I have installed CCC, working with all my options (except Voice control since I did not ordered a special code for that from BMW).

If anyone have a questions let me know. And yes, I now know how to program vehicles :nanana: for almost any retrofits....

Vinzer

wow! that is impressive. Do you have any pictures?

How much did it come to after everything?

Well I do have few pics on my iphone, but it is the same ccc as in most E70 and E71 vehicles. No difference.

Total it cost me: 850$ for CCC nav (good deal) + 90$ for plastic trim + 140$ for the programming cable. = 1080$

Well of course plus my time, but I got good coding expirience :D

care to teach how to code? :eeps:
I need massive help for my cd changer retrofit :(

Thanks Vinzer for the tips. I'm going to try to find a CCC module on ebay as well and a screen. Hope to get some help from you if possible

That's very interesting!
Are there any else you can do with the coding other than hardware installation?

For example, any hidden features or service menu you can activate?

@chuzo: PM sent

@energie: I will help you, no problems

@nosnoop: yeah, many funny things. I am currently testing all this. For example digital odometry in the dashboard, or your sunroof automatcily closing when rain begins or your mirrors automaticly folds when you hold CLOSE button on the remote or .... many other :D

I am reading one interesting Russian forum about that and doing some tests with my car.

:thumbup:

Wow! Please, please do a write up in English to tell us what you found!
:2thumbs:

The following should be possible, however I am testing it out on my E70:

1.Enable remote folding mirrors and windows/sunroof opening/closing
2.Enable remote windows/sunroof opening/closing
3.Enable remote hardtop folding
4.Enable One-touch sunroof venting
5.Enable TV/DVD-in-motion (only for the CIC) - yes it is possible to instal CIC instead of CCC in E70 :thumbup:
6.Enable Euro front blinkers (disable US Sidemarkers)
7.Enable M3 digital speedometer in the instrument cluster
8.Enable any lights as your Welcome Lights
9.Enable remote trunk opening/closing
10.Disable iDrive warning
11.Disable door gong
12.Disable headlight washers
13.Disable a bulb check error (LED bulbs, HIDs, etc.)
14.Retrofit coding (OEM Alarm, Sirius, PDC etc.)
15.E9x LCI tail lights coding (all FRM versions)
16.Head Unit audio output coding (Stereo, HiFi, TopHiFi, Individual)

any update?

yeahh, basically my theory has been confirmed on practice :)
items in bold are OK to go with E70 for now. the rest I did not tried yet but will try during next 1-2 weeks.
what I do now is studying theoretical part of the bmw modules and their communication between eachother. the reason for that is because i found that it is very simple to kill (i would say to put in some kind of "sleep" mode) any of vehicle's modules by doing a coding in a wrong way.
I ordered special interface (not regular usb one) from china. That interface allows not only coding but also programming for any modules in car via optical channel. E70 has a MOST type of bus and for proper coding and programming it is always better to use this type of interface. For basic coding (such as retrofitting of CCC or even CIC) it is possible to use USB interface.
More updates to follow.

1.Enable remote folding mirrors and windows/sunroof opening/closing
2.Enable remote windows/sunroof opening/closing
3.Enable remote hardtop folding
4.Enable One-touch sunroof venting
5.Enable TV/DVD-in-motion (only for the CIC) - yes it is possible to instal CIC instead of CCC in E70 http://www.xoutpost.com/images/smilies/thumbup.gif
6.Enable Euro front blinkers (disable US Sidemarkers)
7.Enable M3 digital speedometer in the instrument cluster
8.Enable any lights as your Welcome Lights
9.Enable remote trunk opening/closing
10.Disable iDrive warning
11.Disable door gong
12.Disable headlight washers
13.Disable a bulb check error (LED bulbs, HIDs, etc.)
14.Retrofit coding (OEM Alarm, Sirius, PDC etc.)
15.E9x LCI tail lights coding (all FRM versions)
16.Head Unit audio output coding (Stereo, HiFi, TopHiFi, Individual)

interested in #1 and #12...

7.Enable M3 digital speedometer in the instrument cluster

Picture from my car:

http://www.djvinzer.com/pictures/IMG_0478.JPG

very nice!! :D

I believe that with #15 led retrofit with e92 you are able to code the same on the e70 for the new led tail lamps right?

Yes, you should be right, I never tried it but it must work according to what I was reading and comparing. Probably I will have to get eventually LED retrofit and code vehicle for test.

can you post a do it yourself guide when you finish testing?

Yes I can do that guide BUT I am a bit scared now about responcibility ;) Everyone who will be doing coding of their BMWs should understand that in case if you for some reason screw up your module (any module) because of bad power supply (yes you need or most probably will need a battery charger in order to perform coding) you will have to visit your dealer. Also there is a chance that the visit to your dealer will happen via toying truck. Once I am done with my tests and self education I will post information here.

Hey vinzer. I'm about to trade in my e53 for a e70. but the one im looking at has no nav. i read ur messege on how you successfully retrofitted your e70. can you tell me what to look for on ebay as well as what 3 wires you had to run. i wanna know i can do it b4 i get this car. the dealership seems to think it can't be done.

Yes it is possible to retrofit CCC in E70 in case if it come with no nav from factory.
You will need to buy CCC navigation from ebay. Technically you need only the screen and main module (CCC module). You also will need two cables - cable to connect display and CCC module (I will tell you how you can use your original existed cable if you do not want to buy new one). Another cable is the FAN cable, but I can also tell you how to build one your self if you want.

CCC Main Module: 07-2010 BMW OEM E70 X5 E71 X6 AT-CCC CD NAV / CD RADIO on eBay.ca (item 260667291811 end time 23-Sep-10 22:00:00 EDT)

CCC Display: ecran CID BMW X5 E70 navigation professionnal new on eBay.ca (item 120621665660 end time 24-Sep-10 15:35:42 EDT)

So far tested (in bold) and confirmed to work on my E70:

1.Enable remote folding mirrors and windows/sunroof opening/closing
2.Enable remote windows/sunroof opening/closing
3.Enable remote hardtop folding
4.Enable One-touch sunroof venting
5.Enable TV/DVD-in-motion (only for the CIC) - yes it is possible to instal CIC instead of CCC in E70 :thumbup:
6.Enable Euro front blinkers (disable US Sidemarkers)
7.Enable M3 digital speedometer in the instrument cluster
8.Enable any lights as your Welcome Lights
9.Enable remote trunk opening/closing
10.Disable iDrive warning
11.Disable door gong
12.Disable headlight washers
13.Disable a bulb check error (LED bulbs, HIDs, etc.)
14.Retrofit coding (OEM Alarm, Sirius, PDC etc.)
15.E9x LCI tail lights coding (all FRM versions)
16.Head Unit audio output coding (Stereo, HiFi, TopHiFi, Individual)

Especcially I loved the fact that after installing of the LED White Plate Lights I got an error message from the vehicle (obvious) that my plate light bulb is bad. I was able to code the vehicle the way so no longer error message appear on the screen.

Now I am planing to install H11 HID kit for my fog lights and also play around with coding in order to avoid error message.

Sounds great.
Do post a guide when you have the time, what part/cable we need, where to buy etc...
Just put a disclaimer on your guide, and you should be fine. I think everyone would understand the potential danger of fiddling around with the coding if something goes wrong.

Just for the start yo need at least the following:

1. USB to K-D CAN Cable (it can be any smilar in characteristica cable, but I got exactly the one like this): New BMW INPA K+D CAN BMW INPA EDIABAS OBD2 USB Cables on eBay.ca (item 150496451110 end time 21-Oct-10 00:17:23 EDT)

2. BMW Standard Tools Software (search it on torrents) This software consist of NCS Expert, Ediabas, INPA, WinKFP and Tool32. You will need INPA, NCS Expert and Ediabas programs.

3. Laptop or normal computer with Windows XP (yes it works under Windows 7 and Windows Vista but there are many issues with that, however it worth to try too)/

4. Some free time and willing to understand how all this works.

This is for the beginning. And once all tests are done and my self education reaches the level when I can explain the stuff to the people I will make a guide on How to code simple things in your car.

Do not hesitate to ask me a questions.

Nav install
 

Hello,

I have been following your inspiring trend on the x7 retrofit and I'm happy to say that I just purchased my screen and Nav from ebay and can't wait to get it in. I was wondering if you could give me instructions as to how to use existing stock cables and wires as none of the units come with any connectors. I wouldn't mind even buying them but I could not find any, or don't know what I am looking for. Finally the question about coding. should i go ahead and purchase that usb device for the coding from china? is this something dealers usually carry (probably not)? There is a gentleman named Patryk who comes highly recommended on there forums as a guy who can remotely programme the car for the nav after the install. i guess i could ask him too if I need the cable for the coding. I must say being an IT guy the idea of programming my own car sounds tempting. Thanks in advance for any help.

sefann,

I assume you have X5 E70 and you was originally having MASK (small screen, not as wide as navigation one). Now you bought CCC navigation which comes in two units (wide screen + main ccc module with two CD/DVD slots on it).
You will need the following parts:
1. LVDS Cable to connect dispaly and CCC unit. BMW part number 61129195760
2. Plastic trim for the dash board in the middle. BMW part number 51456967469

The plastic trim is 100% needed. LVDS cable is needed to simplify the things however if you do not want to buy it - just use existed one. The connector for the dispaly will fit the new display. The connector for the unit will also fit the new CCC unit but you will have to cut plastic limiter on the connector. You will see it once you star to connect it.

There is also small FAN attached to the back of the CCC unit. You will have to make some small wiring there in order to let it work. I will try to find some wiring diagram how to connect that fan. I simply do not remeber that by heart. But it is not vital for the short tests, which can be done even without the fan. But just short tests.

Now once everything is connected you need to code your CCC unit and change vehicle order (VO). This can be done at the dealer or by using cable and software. Patryk - the name of the guy from the E90 board - he probably may help you with the coding. But you will have to get the cable first or maybe he can ship you one for the time of coding. You can not buy this cable anywhere at the BMW dealer.

It is not super difficult to code your car but you need to fully understand what you doing.
Do not hesitate to ask me a questions if needed.
vinzer

Thanks for responding. Yes your assumptions are all correct regarding my car. Thanks for the part numbers I will begin looking for them. Maybe the dealer will have it. I'm going to ask Patryk if he will send me a cable otherwise I will order one myself for the coding. Thanks man I really appreciate your help. I will ask about powering the fan later once I have everything.

Hi,
So I am expecting everything to show up today and I will get right to work. Can you help out with instructions for making the nav fan work? I would really appreciate that.
thanks.

Hi,
Did you make any progress with this? I have all my parts in and I already installed my screen. Someone mentioned on the forum here that i need to create special wiring for the ccc nav fan. did you run into this? please share.

I am attaching 3 pictures of the back of the CCC navigation here.

If you look at the back of the CCC unit you will see at the left FAN with its connector (3 pin connector from left to right pins 1,2,3) and at the right side there are also two connectors on top of the third one.

You need to take 3 wires and connect the following:

Pin 1 (from left to right, when looking from the back of the ccc unit) of the FAN connector to the pin 5 of the small 12 pin connector (left one out of the two).

Pin 2 (from left to right, when looking from the back of the ccc unit) of the FAN connector to the pin 11 of the small 12 pin connector (left one out of the two).

Pin 3 (from left to right, when looking from the back of the ccc unit) of the FAN connector to the pin 1 of the small 12 pin connector (left one out of the two).

Sorry I do not have better pictures at the moment.
Please ask if you have any questions.

Thanks for the instructions and pictures. I put everything without the fan but I will make it a point not to use the nav until I fix the fan. Actually I cannot use the nav because it is stuck on another state when i try to use it. I'm surprised it showed up because I thought the whole nav part did not show up until the vehicle was coded. speaking of coding the dealer is gonna charge me $280 but he isn't sure that it will work. he claims he cannot change the VO but he will try something else. If only I was patient enough to wait and get a cable myself . .. .

After the installation of the CCC Nav, do you have a sound from your speakers or can you use the rest of the functions ? Asking this because there is a chance that the nav unit you installed could be removed from the vehicle which had very similar VO and in that case it may work instantly.

Your dealer can do a VO change by doing Retrofitting of the NAV option via their equipment. Would you be in my area I would code your vehicle easily, but I am far. It is 10 minutes job to do if everything is installed properly.

You may use your navigation without a fan but only for the very short period of time, because technically it may overheat and get some internal components may get damaged. The best would be to make a simple fan cable and connect it before use of the nav.

hahaha . . dont tempt me I may just drive up to where ever you are. ROAD TRIP!! I do have sound and I seem to be able to do all my functions surprisingly. There seems to be a slight delay when i switch between between modes and screens. but all the old stuff works. And i even have some new options like bluetooth but of course thats not installed so it wont work. You may be right about the VO of where the nav came from. But the system map is stuck in Oakland. there is no place that i can see to reset the nav or tell it that it is in virginia. its kinda funny as it is showing me driving thru streets that arent really there. Maybe I should spend some time trying to figure out how to reset the NAV? Thanks for the info on doing the coding. I will mention it to the dealer in the morning.

Did you properly wire your GPS antenna for the CCC unit ? Also you should give the NAV system to work at least 10 minutes while having clear sky view in order to properly determine your location. It should happend automaticly. And finally Navigation DVD - do you use the correct one ? There are usually two of these - one for Eastern part of US and Canada and second for Wester part of US and Canada

Hmm . .. is the antenna the round looking single cable that I thought perhaps what for the radio? Because that cable was a little loose and my radio stations do not work so perhaps it came out. I'm going to take it apart again and check. As for the DVD I did get it with the screen for free and it was indeed from a seller from the West. But wouldn't it give me some kind of error or something if I have the wrong dvd. when i plot something it just says calculating and then a voice says route displayed on screen. but the screen shows some random street from another city. Even though it can find my zip code and streets and everything. But let me go check that antenna and get back to you. Thanks man you are a genius.

You do have two connectors at the back of your unit. Onr is Blue color - I think is GPS antenna and second is Black color - I think FM radio antenna. Both must be connected in order to have GPS and FM. Did you have GPS antenna built in your car or you add it ? If you add it by your self where did you put the antenna it self ?

Found the problem. No blue antenna wire for the GPS. ARRH!! I could have had this done a long time ago. At least this means that I may not need to recode the car. Now I have to find a cable and run it to the top. THANKS VINZER. I'll let you know how I do.

You are welcome ! :)

By the way if any one is interested, I might have one E70 CCC Navigation unit. Complete Set which includes CCC Nav, Screen, Antenna, iDrive knob and even plastic trim for the dash. I also can pre code it for you car. I do not know the price yet but it is disscussible through Private Mesages. If you not far from me I can install it for you.

sefann,

it explains why it shows that you moving in some different city on the map. you do not have GPS antenna connected, and now what happening is: your navigation has not only antenna for the positioning information but also compass and vehicle speed information. this is for passing under the brifges and tunnels and in downtown of some cities where the connectivity to the GPS satellites may be interrupted. once signal from gps is lost your navy starting to use last known vehicle position + compass direction of motion + vehicle speed to calculate your trip and show position on the map.

get the antenna off ebay and you will be able to have your navigation working properly :)
by the way if anyone is interested you may check here about the navigation retrofits for E70 and other BMW: www.bmwretrofit.com
these guys do it in Canada and can probably also help you if needed.

Yup. My antenna should be in this week. hopefully it is an easy install. Im going to look around that link you sent. I have a feeling I will be playing with my car and enjoying it for some time to come.

Good ! feel free to ask me if needed ;)

:thumbup: if anyone else need help, let me know

Finally new project has been finished. It is called:

BMW CIC Navigation Retrofit in to the BMW X5 E70 2007

The most funniest part about that is that officially BMW dealer says - It is impossible to retrofit newer CIC navigation system in any vehicle older than March 2009.... but it is not only possible, it has been done by us already at least 12 times for the past 4 month :thumbup:

Do not listen to what your dealer is saying :rofl:

^^ Thats exactly what I want to do. I PM'd patrys, but he won't help unless you get the parts from him. Question for you Vinzer, my E70 X5 has a production date of December '08. Will I have to swap out the CIC and put back in the CCC for the dealer to do any programming in the future??

I may just get the parts through you guys since you are
1. Cheaper than Patrys' store
2. Located in Canada
3. Not afraid to help out people who are attempting this, even though they don't buy parts from you.

Hey,
Yes, unfortunatelly you will have to swap your CCC back if your vehicle E70 and it is before 09.2009 production. But you need to swap it ONLY if you need software upgrades on your vehicle at the dealer.

I am not the owner of BMW Retrofit, I am just a very good friend and customer of this team, however I do work together with them and do some researches (technical ones) and can answer your questions here as a representative of the Retrofit Team.

Yes we can sell you the CIC navigation parts, this is for sure.
Yes we can code all parts for your vehicle. In case if remote coding is required we will ship you the interface for this coding.
Yes we will help you in any case, even if you buy parts from anyone else :D
Also you may go step by step with us. What I mean is: sometimes to buy complete CIC system + navigation activation + voice + all the rest may be just a bit expenive. We offer step by step solution. First you can just get the system, coded for you. Install it (with or without our help if you want). After that, when you ready you can get maps and navigation and voice. No need for rush, no need for big investment from scratch.

^^ So this package BMW X5 E70 X6 E71 Series CiC Navigation Entertainment System HDD Based (Pre-coded for your vehicle)

Does that include the coding to support Voice? Does that mean that all I'll need additionally is the FSC code for the maps, or do you supply everything for that price?

I can be mistaken because I am not the guy who is responcible for the online store, and I would say your best shot will be to email direcly to BMW Retrofit guys ([email protected])
but from what I see I can say that this price should include complete system, means all mechnaical parts, except probably mid console plastic trim for the new controller (old controller works just fine) and also it does not include some small module for PDC to work properly too I think.
Also Navigation and Maps are not included in this price for sure. Today I ordered from them FSC codes for the Navi maps. I know that the service to have navigation active and maps are much cheaper from BMW Retrofit than from other know providers of the CIC Retrofits. ;)

vinzer, what module for the pdc? I was told that with the CIC the pdc screen (car image) doesn't appear when the PDC is active , and also the back-up camera..
That's a very good price on bmw-retrofit site :D

Thank you :thumbup:

Module called JBE.

Hi Guys

I recently retrofitted CIC to a 2008 e70 & same as you had only PDC audio, I fitted the later JBE & extended the cables from the old PDC unit to the JBE.

I then changed the build date of the car in NCS to 10/09 & recoded the JBE & RPDC, I now get the picture displaying correctly but no audio.

I have also recoded the CIC again & the IHKA for the PDC button to work correctly but cant get any beeps!
I can change the volume of the beeps in the CIC ok though.

Is there any specific coding that has to be done?

If I put the old PDC on & plug the sensors back into it the audio comes back

Any input greatly appreciated
Jase

You mostly correct in your steps, but I am not sure if you had coded all the modules required. I think you might be missing some steps. Probably the best would be to contact with the bimmer retrofit guys :cool: they will definatelly help

So Vinzer if I read correctly on my 2011 E70 X5 it is possible to activate the DVD play function on the front screen with just coding?

This is correct. Contact with: [email protected] guys, they can do it for sure. Have no idea about the pricing.

Nav: Pretty, but useful without street names?
 

The nav system in my 2011 X5 35i Sports Activity is gorgeous.

But I've always found it weird that street names don't show up as often as I'd like. With the old navs on the E60 5 Series, you had worse graphics, but at least there were little triangles and street names that showed up.

Today, i looked at my map and I was like "wow, pretty, but absolutely no street names whatsoever" and snapped a pic with my phone.

Of course if you play with the zoom level the names show up sometimes, and the NAV will tell you what street names to turn, but having names on maps is always helpful, especially if you're trying to get to learn a place, no?

Does anyone know if there's a later firmware that might resolve this or if BMW will be fixing this?

Thanks.

Would it be possible the name is available only in a particular mode or vie? On my 2008 model, street names are not available on the perspective view.


cloudz

You are correct as to the perspective view, but the problem is that the BMW (TeleAtlas) Nav system has a very poor algorithm to coordinate the scale/zoom level and the placement of street names.

from reading I know the program and hardware I need to code a retrofit CCC to CID X5 E70 but there is nothing I can find about the steps after the CIC install with bimmerretrofits special cable. I know you still have to do some light coding. Is there a link anyone could send me to read up on this? I would like to do the basic coding myself. I would not do the software updates or any fancy stuff but I think that could I do myself.

I am sure bimmerretrofit has a forums about coding at their website. You may find some info there. :thumbup:

Fascinating piece of work indeed! And thanks for sharing all this.

I am new to this board.

Not sure if the following two items are doable:

First, display an analog clock face on the nav screen along with date and outside temperature. Note - this information is already being displayed on the dash panel between the tachomter and speedometer . . . I would like to display them on the nav screen so everyone in the car can see it. Please see attached mockup.

Second, is it possible the PDC located on the rear bumper by itself? i.e. leave the cameras and front PDC active, only de-activate rear PDC. Need - I have a hitch mounted bike rack, when I use this rack, it sets off the rear PDC and then I have to use the button near the tailgate open button to switch it off . . . but that switches off everything - camera, front and back PDC.

I have a 2011 X5d with all the factory offered options except adaptive drive.

Thanks again for all the good work.