e70 vs Cayenne
 

It seems to me none of the car mags have done this comparo yet,

in your ( un biased) opinion, which is the better handling / for fun-to-drive car?


I am going to buy bmw anyway but just wanted your opinion

uhhhh, google is your friend

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...=x5+vs+cayenne

cayenne's butt just doesn't look right no matter which angle i look at it from.

driven both, and now own the X5. Hands down X5 much better than cayenne.

I really like the Cayenne but dang it was expensive. The 6 felt slow and anything larger wasn't a great value compared to the X5.

Fifth Gear did a review of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVl9wUEhkjs&fmt=18

Drove both extensively - GTS (tip) vs X5 4.8i

IMO

• Looks - even
• Interior - GTS (even comparing X5's full leather).
• Quickness - Seat of pants favors the GTS
• Handling - GTS (as good as the E70 handles)
• Electronics - X5 (RTT, better iPod integration)
• Exterior - even
• Must have - GTS (a lot less of them on the road - even with the base/S variations)
• Value - X5 by a mile. Modestly equipped GTS = $90K :(
• Also: Residual value (I'm a lease guy) - X5 by a mile

If the GTS was the same price and if the residuals were close (they are > 10% below similar X5 lease terms), I would have ordered one.

For > $90K however, you're in a different league. I decided (easily) that I'd prefer to own either an ML63 or the soon to arrive X5 'M'.

///M wins :)

How do they compare in highway speed wrecks?

did you know that supposedly the new cayenne is coming out in a few months... atleast thats what i have heard...

Looks great - will likely (still) be very over-priced.

X5 = Good (the best rating)
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=451
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/tsp_archive.html

Cayenne = Not tested.. interpret as you will.

X5 is no where close to GTS period. In northern VA Fairfax county area, those E70 X5s are everywhere and I mean everywhere i once saw 5 E70 X5s in 2 rows of parking lot in Tysons Corner Mall, it becomes a dime a dozen. But I only see the new CayenneS once a month. And it looks much much better than the E70 X5. And i believe it performs better too.

I wouldn't say 'nowhere near' if you're referring to handling/speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVl9wUEhkjs

Std. Cayenne and the 'S' variations are everywhere - they aren't 'rare' by any stretch of the imagination.

Methinks they are everywhere because most people figure out that it's a far, far better value than the GTS.

:stickpoke

Not according to northern virginia area, especially in fairfax where you could find an E70 every 5 mins driving. you dont see that many cayenne around. i doubt you see more of cayenneS than e70 on the road.

If you're interested in which is more "fun" a better match, competition-wise, would be the 4.6is or 4.8is. The 4.8is is a great match for the manual GTS...the 4.6is a match for the tiptronic GTS. The 4.8is (stock) is comparatively as refined but it holds a slight performance advantage over the GTS. The E70 4.8i is definitely as refined as the GTS but no match in a performance comparison but still "fun" to drive. However, i believe the E70 holds a better resale value than the GTS and is not as expensive.

This is of course my opinion based on experience as i've driven the vehicles mentioned. A good friend once owned the manual GTS but switched to the tiptronic. The GTS manual is a blast to drive but is a bit cumbersome in traffic.

i understand why we give biased opinions when comparing X5 to other high end SUVs. but sometimes we have to admit that there are whole bunch of SUVs (merc, porchse, audi...) that are far better than the X. why keep praising the X on performance, "fun" while others offer a lot more of it. if you comparing ML to E70 same year, the ML offers much more quiet and softer ride. on the Sport side, X5 can't compare to GTS period. go drive it, you will see the fun you have in E70 is no where near the fun in GTS. E70 X5 is just another brand name SUV.

is the GTS even in the same league has the 48i? it's like comparing a 5er to m5... kinda.

Well, I understand that you think an X5 Forum would be biased - duh, but I gave an unbiased opinion - as unbiased as I can be.

I'm very aware that there are a couple of better performing (than the X5) SUV's - one from Mercedes (ML63) and two from Porsche (both Cayenne Turbos). The Cayenne S is an overpriced Touareg - sorry.

I have driven the GTS many times - IMO (IN MY OPINION), the X5 4.8 (E70 variation) with sport pack and 20's handles nearly as well as the GTS at 9/10ths pace. Apparently, so did the race car driver/commentator on the Youtube video/link I posted above.

I might suggest that YOU (Cayenne FB) drive them both, then offer some feedback.

Save for the ML63, the other variations of the ML's won't hang on a road course with the X5 variant I mentioned above.

BTW, what Audi SUV do you think is better, faster, more full-featured, will hold resale comparatively, or is as good looking OR fun as the X5? Surely, you're not comparing the Q-tugboat :p:

You are really funny, at the end all your arrows point toward the X5. You must be kidding me on this. ML doesnt compare to X5? you kidding me, and FYI i dont have to test drive them. No need to say more on that. But do you realized that your brain is wired to think BMW X5 is better than other SUVs in the same league. CayenneS > ML > E70 = Q7 > RX > MDX thats the rank. Think out of the BOX. Even i check xoutpost.com more than 20 times a day my brain works independently. I am a bmw enthusiat but when it comes to comparing cars, i am very fair and unbiased. NOT LIKE YOU.

Just so you know, a stock ML550 is slightly quicker to 100km than a stock e53 4.8is. No need to even compare to the E70 4.8i.

folks folks...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__4pAmJovmh...cat-joker1.jpg

both are very nice cars mmmkay...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s7-e...eature=related

x5 wins this one!

Yes, but I didn't write 0-60 (or 100KM).. I wrote 'on a road course'.. :D

NOVA - you have no credibility without driving all the SUV's you're referring to, sorry. But thanks for that unbiased ranking of SUV's - I'll look for your article in Automobile soon. :rofl:

who cares. the cayenne is butt ass fugly. i'd drive a 4 cylinder x5 over an fugly car any day......

I personally think you have to go with the GTS or higher as far as the Cayenne goes. The base model and the S are just flat out ugly, IMO. I feel the same with MB. Except for the ML 63, none of the ML's do anything for me. The X5 is far better looking and would be more fun to drive compared to the equivalent Porsce or MB, IMO. Unfortunately, the 4.8i is a little underpowered when you get into the realm of the ML 63 and higher end peppers. I guess it will be different when the M versions of the X5 comes out, not to mention the X6. I would bet the playing field will be somewhat leveled then.

Also, Audi doesn't make anything that really competes with the X5 right now and far as looks and driving dynamics are concerned.

Infinity is even further down the list. They are a second tier manufacturer compared to BMW, Porsche and MB, IMO. I don't care how fast the FX is.

the cherokee srt8 was pretty damn fast suv, but who cares??

zactly...

Cayenne GTS vs. X5 4.8

Exterior BMW
Interior BMW
Space Cayenne
Power Cayenne
Top speed Cayenne
Road driving BMW
Off-road Cayenne
Brakes Cayenne
Packages BMW
Reliability Cayenne (2008 onwards)
Price BMW

If I could choose between the two, I would pick Cayenne GTS. So far im satisfied with x5 4.8.

Regarding Space:

Cargo
E70 BMW X5 has 75 cubic feet of cargo capacity
Cayenne has 62.5 cubic feet of cargo capacity

Seating
E70 BMW X5 has 60" of front shoulder room
Cayenne has 58.5"

The pepper may have been bigger than the E53 variant, but not currently.

IMO, power & top speed are basically measuring the same thing (or mfg's limiters).

Given that, BMW wins 6 of 10 criteria.

BMW still wins - price dependent.

:dunno:

p.s. What about Safety as a criteria? BMW=winner?

Even this is a BMW X5 forum and I am a BMW fan, I would still go with the Cayenne GTS. Sometimes we have to accept reality that X5 is not any superior to SUVs in the same league. E70 or W164, W164 all the way.

You're the perfect Porsche customer. Go buy one. Please.

I dont know what angle you are viewing my points from. You keep telling me to go "test drive and buy" Cayenne and Mercedes-Benz SUVs. To tell you the truth, I dont need to test drive them if you know what I mean. I would just stop there. You are way too smart to figure that out.

I just sold my Cayenne, and I am waiting for my ordered 35d to arrive next month. I had two BMW sedans before the Cayenne ('04 545i and 325i). Loved each of them & thought I'd always have at least one BMW in the garage. That plan was sidetracked for a few years when I fell for the appeal and prestige of the Porsche. The Cayenne is a good vehicle - certainly no complaints here. After a while though, I really started to miss the BMW feel. Everyone's tastes are different, but to me - each of my BMW's have had the 'just right' feeling. My new one will have a lot more power than the Cayenne, get a lot better gas mileage, have free maintenance, and qualify for a nice tax deduction for my business. It was an easy decision for me to make; though I wouldn't talk anyone out of a Cayenne.

i would compare the 3.0 to base cayenne as opposed to 4.8 to GTS, 3.0 is more similiar to base cayenne in many ways...

The new cayenne pchops look like even more of a frog / jetta wagon.
I had a Touareg V6 (which is the exact same car) and we went to a 3.0 X5 and its MUCH better. I like the look of the Cayenne GTS, but I'd still go for the X.

Well I just got my X5 3.0si after scouting around for 3 months. Test driven the Cayenne (base 3.6 v6 model), ML350 and Audi Q7. All base models.

End up with x5 because I find Cayenne V6 drives like a truck. The engine is sluggish and underpowered. The most unrefined V6 implementation I have ever tried. Noisy even if u are sitting at the rear.

ML350 looks ordinary. No road presence. Tested it and on a straight slightly uphill road, completely puts me off when the vehicle downshifted to 2nd gear 3 secs after i floored the accelerator. Heard the roar, but the damn SUV did not move. Imagine if I need to do instantaneous overtaking on a single lane road, I may have been hit head on by the oncoming.

Q5 is nice with all the latest gadgets. My only dissatisfaction it is really TOO BIG.

So...really do I have a choice ?:dunno:

I wouldn't mind driving a Cayenne (S or above). They are great looking SUV's that drive great. They are slightly more prestige than BMW, but at a much higher price point. BMW is still a better value overall.

Now thats hottttt

ultimate driving machine.. is what it sounds like. Nova - you may not be biased since you're a BMW driver.. but you're making sweeping statements with no real facts.. The MLs are ugly IMO the Cayenne looks ok - but still prefer the X5.. i might be willing to vote that the cayenne looks better than the e70 though.. but i'd still go with e70 because i'm an enthusiast so i understand your POV from there.. the cayenne interior looks like crap too - looks like a chevy IMO - my brother in law was going to buy one and that was the main reason he didnt.. interior did nothing for him.. and i agree.

exactly..i got a fully loaded 48i for 890 a month, a month ago with porsche's new lease program for the cayennes..the base model with the v6 was 1025 a month with tax and title down with not nearly as much options my x5 has.

which one is more comfy???????
for those days where you just cant be bothered to floor it!

just tried the Cayenne 6 cyl yesterday
engine react well willa grunth if you push it
otherwise its kind of lazy
in a highway exit I found it quicker and more planted then my X5
interior seems smaller for my 6'2''
engine noise is quite present
outside look...well...dated
way to many option on the list
makes the 74K can price similar then the X5 8 cyl
the S is at around 90K can$
leasing at 7,5% way to high
residual after 36 months at 50%, so it does not hold its value any better
but they offered 47k trade on my X5, while at 2 BM dealer never got more
then 44K
so, tough for them, I will keep my X5
also, not a god time to buy a gas thirsty machine, lets wait for the diesel or hybrid