Just ordered BMW X5 35d
 

So my parents sealed the deal on a '10 diesel. $1000 over invoice, with guaranteed $4500 discount. More info on which dealership and options later, I've got to get to soccer practice.

Edit: Back with more details.

Ordered a Vermillion Red 35d with Saddle Brown interior and Light Poplar wood.

Packages and options include:
-Premium Package
-Cold Weather Package
-Technology Package
-Rear Climate Package
-Adaptive Drive
-Multi Contour Comfort Seats
-Running Boards

We went to Morristown BMW again, but they wouldn't budge any lower than $1600 over invoice. Keeping in mind this will be our third BMW from them, we thought we could score a better deal. We then drove over to Paul Miller BMW for the first time ever, and they were pretty easy going offering $1000 over invoice.

We now have a production number, but can anybody tell me how to track it on BMWUSA?

Congrats! I got mine at Paul Miller too. They were very easy to deal with.

congratulations, and good for you gettin the good deal...my dealer was a prick and wanted 889 a month with 4000 down for a lease....with a straight face.

anyone else get a production number on a 2010 yet?

Tim

I have one. The BMW phone number says that it is scheduled for production with no specific date yet assigned. I am assuming that this should change in the next couple of weeks.

k, Thx.

Tim

I ordered two weeks ago (Aug. 15th) and no production number.... I am assuming because the 2010's aren't in production at this time ??

You might need to call your salesman to get a production number. We had to ask and he gave us one, but on our previous two, we never asked and never got one.

MINz, PM sent... thanks....

He doesn't have one for me as of last Friday, and I'm starting to get a little nervous...

I so have a production number from my 2010 X5, but it still status 111 ("Order acceptded at BMW AG") and it is not available for tracking yet (the web site sas it might take a week or so).

Same for me..

800-831-1117 is more up to date. Just ask for vehicle production status...

Craig

Called and replied!

Not to worry you, but it might be that the dealer has no allocation for it to be built. Morristown told me that for their diesels waiting to be built, they have to send an email to BMWNA titled "Subject to $4500" and wait to have it accepted. I hope that isn't your case!

I was told we had an allocation, just no number yet. My dealer supposedly has attempted to contact BMW about it, but no responce as of Friday.
I was nice ( Or maybe dumb ) :dunno: to have traded in my current X5 early because they had a customer for it now. I have my 328XI coupe for daily use, but once November hits I really need the X5....

I just got a call back from my salesman stating that the regional sales rep said I should have a production number this week :thumbup: There just weren't enough numbers available when I ordered.:rolleyes:

Also he told me that the $4500 eco-credit is being extended through October!:cool:

I (finally) received three calls from dealers today saying they were able to confirm allocations subject to the Eco Credit. Before they were noncommital. Too bad BMW couldn't confirm this for the dealers and customers earlier. Anyway, I certainly wouldn't worry about lack of a production number.

Does this mean that cars that didn't have an allocation now do? Or does this mean that you can purchase a diesel and still get the credit for a few more months?

Either way, now everybody who ordered a diesel will be happy!

Also just ordered mine today. Chose Vermillion Red and Saddle brown but now I'm getting buyer's remorse and I didn't even take delivery yet. Remorse for color selection not vehicle selection. Going to sleep on it. Other choices were white, Space grey and the silver ( silver last because we have 3 other silver vehicles) Swore off black since my present X5 is Sapphire black and I swore off black when I bought it (but I wouldn't listen to myself!) this after having 4 other black cars. NO MORE BLACK. Yet I'm thinking that the Vermillion red is going to require just as much attention as the black. I know it's a personal decision but I'm open to input.

Wow, a very similar color selection! My mother didn't like the idea of white, and our current X5 is silver. Space gray was an option, but it seemed that it was very popular with the current E70 and we wanted to be different. My mother proposed Vermillion Red, I proposed Deep Green and my father liked Monaco Blue.

I was just in NYC yesterday looking around for X5's and colors. Black ones do look dirty in the city, but a white one didn't hide the dirt much better. I saw a Vermillion Red X6 drive by, and I thought it looked great and hid the dirt pretty well compared to the other X5's I've seen.

I thought about Vermillion Red but in the end went with Space Gray. My current X5 is black and is a pain to keep clean although looks great when it is clean.

Ordered Vermilion Red as well. I wanted Saddle but when I had to fight over exterior color (wife wanted Mineral Green) I didn't have the energy for the Saddle fight and we went with Beige. As much as I love Saddle, I really didn't like the black seat backs which I think was why I didn't fight over it.

Tim

Check with your dealer, but I think you can change the color and interior up until about 2 weeks before production start.

wow, is this for real?

btw, Minz, thanks for the call and the info you gave me.. :thumbup::thumbup:

Eco-Credit is being extended
 

I have verification from my salesman, including an internal BMW memo he made me promise not to post online. It basically says the credit is being extended through October and all orders placed up to 8/31 will get production slots. It also states that from now on (through the end of October) dealers will have to use an allocation they currently possess or trade for it. I.e., no taking orders without an allocation then asking BMW to grant an extra slot, which apparently is what has effectively occurred the last week or so.

As I posted elsewhere, BMW NA usually does the right thing in the end. It's just too bad they often generate loads of ill will by taking too much time to make the correct decision. They end up the same place in the end; however, they generate ill will while they putz around with the thumb in a warm place.

How much does $1000 over invoice end up costing, if you don't mind me asking?

We bought a CPO'ed Loaded 2007 4.8i and I'm curious to see what the difference between what we paid and what a New one is.

Thanks! :beerchug:

You can change colors till it goes into production. Here is 3.0 and 4.8 in Vermillion red.

How did your negotiations go?

$1000 over invoice ended up as $57400. Not exactly fully loaded, but with many options ticked.

What does priority 1 color mean? Does the red cost you extra? It looks very good on the x5 expecially with the 20" wheels.

Priority 1 colors just aren't listed as an option, but are still available to order at the same price.

Thanks for the pictures, LeMansX5! Our diesel should look similar to the second one, the 3.0i but with running boards. Yes, we added that feature on Monday after checking out how great they looked in real life!

What website?

My wife and I now have a production number as well ... Status 111.

:woohoo:

Our X5 is finally on BMWUSA! It is at the "Schedule for Production" phase, with colors wrong and no options listed. No worries though...I can't wait for it!

I'm listed too. Colors are correct and options are *ALMOST* right. Good enough for now.

Tim

Ugh - everyone's getting the production numbers...starting to feel left out here :yikes:

Anyone in Canada get their VIN yet?

Our X5 is on the site as well with the wrong colors. So weird.. but atleast there is something to track... Not sure if I should contact the dealer for the wrong color.

For some reason the website often has the colors and options wrong. When I got my 2004 Z4 the options were wrong on the website, but the actual car built was correct.

Just give it a few days to sort itself out ... obviously if its like that a week before production begins, you should get your dealer to printout your order sheet which they can do from their end ...

Thank You! :beerchug:

Can you Please tell me what options you checked off?

"Your vehicle is confirmed for production, with no confirmed production date yet."

I'll try again tomorrow...

$500 over invoice.....

2010 x35d
Base
ZPP Premium Pkg
ZPS Premium Sound
ZRC Rear Climate Pkg
ZTP Technology Pkg
ZCW Cold Weather Pkg
386 Roof rails
4UB 3rd Row seat
655 Satellite Radio
Multi Contour Seats
Tow Hitch
Running Boards 67,255 MSRP
Invoice price = $ 61,520 plus 500 =$62,020 less eco credit of $4500 = Selling price of $57,520

How do you compute for Invoice price?

Go to message # 47 kindly posted by brocks and # 48 posted by LeMans5, both found at 2010 X5: Pricing, Anniversary edition and other new stuff

Edmunds.com also has the 2009 invoice pricing. The options are approximately 8.2% less than the list. The base price is $47,105

Look at the page here that says "Wholesale Confidential": Xoutpost.com - View Single Post - 2010 X5: Pricing, Anniversary edition and other new stuff

What was the price for your Tow Hitch?

Thanks,
Tim

Same for me; however, colors are correct.

I just entered my car in my bmwusa.com account. The colors are correct for what I ordered (TiAg on black), but I might want Vermillion Red. I understand I need to make a decision pretty quick...

I think you have another week or 2. My dealer is still getting 2009 X5s in. I don't think they've shut down for the 2 week re-tooling.

Tim

I think I read that production for 2010 X5's doesn't start until Oct 1. However, my past experience with other BMW's is that your order can be moved up pretty quickly without much notice so if you are sure about changing colors or options, you should do it quickly.

In my case, my M3 moved up 7 weeks without notice. I was pleasantly surprised but there were others who were contemplating color changes who were unhappy when their production status got locked in before they could make changes.

tcfila... I think the list is $1200 or something stupid like that. I paid $800 on the '08 and when I negotiated for this one, I just put down $800 and no one questioned it. Should have said 5 or 6 maybe!

Is "Confidential Wholesale Price" the same as invoice?

If so, then we are actually paying $2395 over invoice and not $1000 over invoice. Did Paul Miller BMW lie to us? :angryfire

That's rhetorical right? ;)

make sure you are drawing the line in the right place on your invoice. $1000 over invoice won't include things like MACO, Training Fee, Documentation fee's, taxes, etc...

Tim

Our $1000 over invoice did not include any other fees, just the car and the options.

Now I feel stupid not making this connection, and not looking more carefully at what LeMansX5 had posted.

Edit: Invoice also included destination... whoops!

Just curious, how much are MACO, Training fees? I was charged $200 for documentation.

Found this via google, dated 12/2008:

Ours (Park Ave BMW in NJ) is as follows:

Doc: $249
MACO: $300
training: $180

Doc fees are 100% dealer profit. I would try to negotiate them into the price of the car (i.e. if you got $1k over invoice, make sure that includes doc fees). My dealer charges $399 for their doc fee.
MACO in my area is $300 (it's not the same everywhere you go).
Training is $180.

I would agree. The MACO and Training fees are real variable costs to the dealer and considered by most dealers to be part of the invoice price, i.e., the dealer actually pays the MACO and Training amounts to BMW NA for every vehicle they sell, and when they quote "$1,000 over invoice," that typically means the wholesale price you find on the internet plus the $500 of MACO and training fees.

One can debate forever whether or not those MACO and Training fees should be considered part of the invoice price, to which the negotiated "profit" amount will be added, but all that really matters is to get the final "price out the door" quote when finalizing the deal, e.g., if one dealer says "$500 over invoice," but includes the MACO and Training fees as part of the invoice, it's the same as another dealer quoting "$1,000 over invoice," if they do not include the MACO and Training fees as part of the invoice price.

I do believe that if you ask the dealer to pull-out ans show you the invoice from BMW NA after the car arrives, it will show MACO and Training fees added to the "wholesale" price.

I just called my rep and I now have a production number :thumbup:
Everything is correct on BMW's tracking site, of course it's in 111 Status...Now I'm less nervous and much more excited!!

My consolation for (finally) getting my price down to a so-so $1875 above invoice was making clear (in writing) that I was not paying any other charges or fees over my final price other than tax, title and license (no training fees, MACO fees, etc.). You can argue with a dealer until you're blue in the face about whether it is appropriate to charge these fees to customers -- even if they are really incurred by the dealer, but ultimately it is about bottom line comparisons, so other dealers who wanted to charge these fees had to offer a significantly lower price if tehye wanted to charge thee fees.

I paid training, but not MACO. I also paid 199.00 doc fee and they gave me all weather mats at no charge.

Craig

What website is everyone using to get the updates? I use the Track your BMW under myaccount on bmwusa.com. Mine is listed as "on order", but with no number status.

Tim

Everything sucks here for us in Canada. The pricing is outrageous.
I was going to trade my 4.8i for a 35d but i changed based on two factors.
1. It was a demo trsuck with 12000km on it and the dealer wanted me to pay freight, air tax, etc. I got pissed off and told them no.

2. i asked my sales guy why we dont get the option to get a HUD for the 3.5d in Canada. He said thats the way it is.

If BMW Canada doesn't at least try to match BMW USA, i will leave them alone and go for Audi or MB. Not that they care anyways.

That's the correct place to go.
You can also call 1-800-831-1117 for vehicle status.

Here's how my page looks....

Anyone know for sure when the 2010 production of X5 Diesels will start?

Oct 2010

See page 2 - http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/pricin...ring-Guide.pdf


Tim

A whole month of waiting before it even starts to be produced! :(

Thanks, I'll bet October is loaded with diesels!

Oct production = Nov delivery :(

I'll need to get winter tires the first week I have it...:wow:

We should see who get's theirs first.

I'm 3 hours from the factory.

Tim

> I'm 3 hours from the factory.

Why not go for the Performance Center Delivery then?

First, i wanna thank again Xoutpost for tons of information, and its members for being so helpful... special mention to Minz_guy for referring me to Justin Lee.

Today, we pulled the trigger on 2010 XDrive 35d.

TitSilver
Black Leather/Bamboo Trim
ZCW
ZPP
ZPS
ZAP
ZTP
322
328
386
4UB
6FL
6NF

$1000 over invoice... PCD on November....

Still thinking about getting ZAV(Active Ventilated) or just 456(Multi contour seats)?? what do you guys think?

Wow....Lot's of 35ds on order. Congrats everyone.

I'm lonely in the X6 forum waiting for the production status to change. I think I'll wait here with you guys.

Congrats. It gets rather hot in the summer and rather cold in the winter in NJ so if you want those multi-contour seats I'd also get the ZAV...

We decided against the ZAV because my wife eats in the car and we do not want crumbs to get in the seats via the perforations. Long story short, we are getting the 456s ...

We have PCD date of 4 Nov ... Maybe we'll see one of you there.

Congratulations on the 35d. I've been driving mine now for almost 5-months, and aside from a few minor issues I couldn't be happier with my purchase.

Congrats!

We also thought about ZAV, but my mother and I never complain about sweaty butts or having sore butts after long car rides. My dad complains about this, but he isn't the primary driver, so we decided not to get this $2100 option.

When did you place your order?

I placed mine on 8/31/09 and still no production date.

I have a 2010 x5 35d on order as well. I'm curious about the PDC option. Is it the net of it that it's at no cost, it avoids the $825 destination fee, but then I need to ship the car on my own dime? I live in southern CA, so the shipping won't be insignificant (probably $1200-$1500), but the PDC might be kind of cool. At PDC, do we get to drive among a fleet of cars? I'd rather not flog my new car until fully broken in.

Xoutpost.com - View Single Post - X5d pics and impressions after Performance Center Delivery 9/8/09 - LONG

From that post, it seems that you will have to pay the destination even with PCD. You do get to drive BMW's fleet of cars at PCD, though.

We placed ours on 8/18.

Just placed my order for a 35d and got the 4500 rebate plus will get the irs credit for 1800. The most my dealer would discount is 1750 off msrp, but they are giving me good money for my trade in. Got a production number, will have a vin the day production actually begins sometime in October.

Being on a budget (in order to gain wife approval) I had to choose my options wisley. Went with black/black premium with 3rd row seat, comfort seats, dvd entertainment pkg, running boards, and roof rails.

I really wanted the sports package, but decided to go with just running boards and comfort seats (nicer than sport seats imho). I wish I could order the high gloss black trim around the windows as a standalone option, is this possible? Also, the sports package does not have the 20" y-spokes available as an option, the 19's would be a waste for me because the first thing I plan to do is get OE 20's or 21's.

Also, the sport suspension is too expensive as a standalone option now, too bad. I might just go with a lowering kit later if the wheel well gap is too large, hopefully this will not be the case though because I really don't want to mess with the suspension. Any thoughts on the look of the e70 non-sport with 20's or 21's???

your right, good point, but ive been living here in NJ for almost 10 years now, hot summer and freezing winter is not a problem... :thumbup::thumbup:

im more interested to know the difference between regular sport seats and this multi contour seat (in 456 and ZAV)...

is it worth it to get 456 ever if you already have the sport seats from sports activity package??


another good point, im a bit worried with those tiny holes as my wife loves to eat inside the car, and with our 3 kids, i would think it would be a mess...

My wife and I sat in both the sports and multi-contour seats, and she strongly preferred the multi-contour seats. While I could do without the extra electronics, the extra $1,200, and like sports seats, I had to admit the multi-countour seats were significantly more comfortable. I strongly recommend you go to the dealer and sit in models with both.

I believe the Sport seats key feature is more prominent side bolsters, which provide more lateral support during "vigorous" driving. Many people like this, but some, particularly larger people, find it more confining and less comfortable, as it is a bit harder to move your position around a bit.

are the comfort seats much softer too? My sport seats are really stiff and bulky (latter part intended of course), as in if you go and turn around to peak at your kids, it won't give much. ;)

Hard to describe, but they clearly have more "padding" for comfort but are still firm. Its not unlike teh feel of a 1.5" mattress pad on top of a firm mattress. The ones I sat in were in an M5, and I found them quite nice (my efforts to convince my wife we should get the M5 too failed miserably).

FWIW, I did find the X5 sports seats to be firmer but less sporty than those in my 330i in the sense that the side and bottom bolsters were less prominent (which no doubt make ingress/egress easier). The firmness difference could simply be due to wear and use on my 330i.

Mentioned this in the other order thread, but placed my order 8/27. The wait has been long, and it continues tonight. Hopefully production starts in a few weeks or less. Options are in my sig.

How did you come across your PCD date? I ordered my 3.5d about a week after you but still have no production or PCD date yet. Wondering if I need to push harder with the CA...

I'll miss you by a week. Nov 13 here. :D

I'd push harder.

I placed my order Sept 3rd and requested a specific date. The dealer got an email from the performance center stating they could not give me any date until I went into production status. The dealer pushed it for me and I received an email a few days later saying I'm scheduled for my requested date. I'm not sure if it helped that the dealer told the performance center that if I didn't get the date I requested, my next available date was three weeks later.

The date confirmation does state not to make travel arrangements until 3 weeks prior in case of production delays.

We've worked with this dealer when I purchased my M3 ... I knew they would go out of their way to make us happy. I didn't bug them, but would have if they would've taken another week.

I just ordered one as well.

Here was deal I got in Orlando, Florida.

Base Price 47,105.00
ZAP Sport Activity Package 3,090.00
ZPP Premium Package 3,095.00
ZTP Tech Package 2,550.00
ZRC Rear Climate Control 820.00
386 Roof Rails 90.00
6FL Ipod Adapter 365.00
655 Sat Radio 320.00
322 Comfort Access 910.00
328 Runnings Board 275.00
ZPS Premium Sound Package 1,685.00
Destination 825.00
Training 180.00
Floor Mats 97.55
Advertising 200.00
Detailing 110.05
Total 61,717.60
Additional Dealer Profit 1,389.00
Cash Sale Price 63,106.60
BMW Incentive -4,500.00
Cash Sale Price 58,606.60

I know I could have likely done better, but just didn't have time to hassle with the guy any more and I felt that slots on the 3.5ds were being harder to come by.

Ended up being just under $1500 over invoice.

Good deal. Don't forget the $1800 tax credit from uncle sam...

What color's did you get?

True. We are going with titanium silver w/ black since no more gray option. Have a production number, don't know when it will be built though.

-jr

Why should you pay for detailing on a new car? I told a dealer in St. Louis to get bent when they wanted a 300.00 get ready charge.

Craig

It's really all just additional profit / overhead. $300 is outrageous. At the end it really all comes down to a time/cost trade off when haggling. For me they claimed it was paid to some outside vendor to detail the car. I told them to let me see the invoice for that and I'd pay it directly. I think it really was some type of autobutler product?

-jr

How and where did you get a production number the same day as ordering?

Are you a bit worried about the black interior in FL?

The day after we agreed on numbers my sales personr faxed me vehicle inquiry report which shows a production number and status (111) order accepted by AG, priority 1 (customer sold), etc.

I think perhaps they had a 3.5d slot which was scheduled and still 111.

-jr

That's odd - we just bought our 2009 Diesel from there - on Aug 17 2009, got the last allocation deal for custom order for '09 that is - FULLY loaded, + Simonoz sealant (5 years), GAP, Wheel insurance, iPhone intgrated adpater and the only thing we didn't get as an option was the "Heads up Display" and got it for $6000 below INVOICE PRICE!! and delivered in 2 weeks

Good deal.. I'm sure they are dealing pretty good on the 09s. I wanted to wait for the updated NAV and iDrive though.

-jr

:iagree:

"Your vehicle is scheduled for production with no production date yet."

:yawn: When will it come? Our family is starting to need it since our 3er is "broken."

Minz, i believe you ordered you 35d before me, and guess what, i have a PCD date already, its on 11/03...

Justin Lee of Paul Miller BMW is the man...

I doubt the sales guy has anything to do with it...

youre probably right...

imagine your sales guy slacking, not doing his paperworks....

:dance: "Your vehicle is in production with a scheduled completion date of 10/9/09."

I guess we're going to get it before the end of the month! Now to convince the parents to start ordering mods . . . :rofl: I've got to inquire about installing a clear bra.

Odd? for a 2009? Many of the last 2009s were going at ~4500 under invoice

Without knowing what you paid for the garbage they shoveled in (simon-whatever...does anyone fall for that crap???) is it impossible to know what you 'true cost' is.
I assume you leased or financed? (GAP?) so maybe they made their money there....

:woot: It went from "Schedule for Production" to "At Preparation Center" on BMWUSA tracking. The 1-800 number still tells me it is in the paint shop... :confused: Is the website actually more updated than the phone system for once?

Don't matter. Mine has been completed for a week now and still "waiting to be released to the carrier". Apparently the EPA cert is holding up delivery.

Tracking
 

The 800 # tracking continues to give me information that my X5d is in the paint shop with a completion date of Oct.13th, well today is the 15th and I've been hearing this all week...
Tonight I checked the web and it showing "at preparation center" I don't feel confident with any of BMW's tracking :confused:
I called my SA, but only got his voice mail, maybe he will call me back and have more information...
For what it's worth what does "at preparation center" actually mean in BMW's production chain? :dunno:

Well, tracking to me doesn't matter anymore! My mother got a call from our SA, we're taking delivery next Saturday!

Wow! Congratulations! Finally, someone has an actual date to pick up. This wait has been soooo long. I've been told mine is on the train headed to CA, having left on the 13th. Can't wait!

:bounce:

Taking delivery tomorrow! Feeling a little sick today, so I hope I get better so I can be there tomorrow!

Congrats. Our PCD is Monday; we're already on our roundabout journey to SC.
Can't wait!!!

Suck it up and go! Congrats.

Took delivery!

But already a problem. We already noticed condensation in both headlights

Don't worry. That will go away.

At delivery:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...guy/35d001.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...guy/35d002.jpg

Sitting outside for 20 minutes trying to figure out how to get the darn Homelink Garage Opener to work. Then we noticed the condensation :yikes: Not nearly as bad on the right headlight.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...guy/35d003.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...guy/35d004.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...guy/35d005.jpg

Congrats on taking delivery - the condensation will go away right?

The condensation will go away, but will return every time it rains or when we wash it. The problem should be covered under warranty anyway, just a little frustrating.

We're taking it back in a few moments. Paul Miller doesn't have any "extra" loaner vehicles right now, so we're forced to take both X5's there.

Edit: Well, we're back with both X5's.... Why? Well....our salesman came out and greeted us qt the service area to tell us that the condensation isn't a problem and that he talked to a technician about that. It is that the vehicle takes in air for the lights and that water is normal. Common sense tells me that is total BS. Got to take some more action now...

I think the condensation is acceptable given the weather today. Relatively hot and humid after it being much cooler overnight. Mine looked a little hazy today.

Well, I've been talking to Weasel about this and he did say that some condensation is normal. He did add that our case was a little excessive, so I guess we'll be taking it to Morristown BMW this time to see what they say. Weasel did have a great idea of bringing the X5 over on a rainy day and comparing the haze with other X5's on the lot. Thanks a bunch! :thumbup:

The condensation is normal, there was a TSB. I have it in my E90, and it goes away when you turn on the headlight.

Our condensation didn't go away after a 25 minute drive to Paul Miller. When we pulled up to the service area and stepped out, there was still 1 inch of condensation of the bottom of both headlights. This was with the Xenon lights on.

If you're in the area, try Park Ave BMW. I've had nothing but a good experience there.