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l8tbrake 09-28-2009 11:18 PM

35D oil problem
 
Anyone have any oil burning issues with there 35D? I had to add 1liter of oil around the 11,000 km (6800 miles). When I asked the dealer they said that was normal especially during breakin. They also mentioned it was normal given the long intervals for oil changes.

Penguin 09-28-2009 11:20 PM

That is quite normal consumption for any engine. As they said, particularly during break-in.

http://autorepair.about.com/od/gener...l/bldef587.htm

http://www.pistonslap.com/tsb/010601011A.pdf

l8tbrake 09-28-2009 11:23 PM

thanks.

spyderdoc 09-29-2009 02:44 AM

Just added a quart at 7300mi (35d). Runningperfectly otherwise

Lubehead 09-29-2009 07:18 AM

Not only is it nothing to be concerned about, in many ways it is actually a good thing, especially when a long drain interval is the goal. While excessive consumption is obviously bad and hard on the wallet, the addition of the quart helps to replenish and stabilize the additive package. Especially the TBN (Total Base Number) which helps in neutralizing acids. In addition the boost to dispersancy capability(ability to keep contaminants in suspension -particularly soot) is always helpful.

XXX555 09-29-2009 08:45 AM

I8 and Spyder, did your check oil dashboard light come on or did you dipstick to find out your X5d was low?

FunfDreisig 09-29-2009 09:03 AM

Speaking of dip sticks and idiot lights...

Does anyone know (or have a good idea) why BMW recommends waiting until the 35d engine is a full quart low before adding oil?

Some possible 'reasons'...
It is dangerous to over fill a diesel engine.
It makes it easy to just 'add a quart'.
It reduces the number of times owners show up at the dealer for them to add a little oil.
They don't want us to get our pretty little fingers dirty checking the oil level with the obscurely located dip stick.

Call me old school but I feel like I've neglected any of my vehicles that get a full quart low before I top it up.

Funf Dreisig

Penguin 09-29-2009 09:58 AM

Primary reason, I suspect, is that it will not hurt an engine to go one quart low, and if it is one quart low, you can dump the entire quart in and toss the empty bottle, e.g., simplicity and convenience.

And also, as you note, it removes the possibility of accidentally overfilling since all you've got in your hand is a single quart.

l8tbrake 09-29-2009 03:30 PM

xxx555 the warning light came on telling me to add a quart. it actually came on intermittently at first and had me a bit worried. Maybe I'm also old school but when the oil gets low you top it up. I would have assumed this was the case especially since its a turbo. I did bring it to the dealer after light had gone out and they said to wait until it came on and stayed on. At that stage the level showing in the diagnostic screen had two bars.

other than the oil issue and a pesky nav problem which the dealer is looking at this friday, it runs perfectly.

k80jr 10-28-2009 08:47 AM

Our 35d was 1 quart low just before the 1st oil change at 11000 miles. Just had the dvd drive replaced under warranty. Nav works fine now,

grover432 10-28-2009 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lubehead (Post 664626)
Not only is it nothing to be concerned about, in many ways it is actually a good thing, especially when a long drain interval is the goal. While excessive consumption is obviously bad and hard on the wallet, the addition of the quart helps to replenish and stabilize the additive package. Especially the TBN (Total Base Number) which helps in neutralizing acids. In addition the boost to dispersancy capability(ability to keep contaminants in suspension -particularly soot) is always helpful.

But it is bad for the environment. I think that is why 2 stroke engines are disappearing - they can't meet emissions regulations, no matter how thin the mix is. I say if you want clean oil, you should shorten the service interval and recycle the oil, not burn it and keep replenishing with new.

apw2607 10-28-2009 01:38 PM

I've got a 2009 35d and its now got 17,000 miles on it ! Yes, periodically, I've needed to add a quart of oil. Its become less frequent now. Nothing to worry about.

Lubehead 10-28-2009 08:41 PM

grover432, I don't understand how the occasional addition of makeup oil to an engine is more damaging to the environment then an oil change.

Here in Massachusetts and other states in New England there are hundreds of thousands of waste oil heaters spewing unburnt hydrocarbons into the environment. These heaters are not very efficient and certainly do not have any sophisticated emmission controls.

Large trucking companies, refuse haulers, construction companies and a host of other fleet maintenance facilities actually resist longer drain intervals even though they have been proven to not only be safe and do not compromise engine life, so they can have used engine oil to heat their garages.

The math cannot work. Use a higher quality engine oil with a proactive condition monitoring program and add an occasional quart or even gallon of makeup oil and the overall consumption/environmental impact will trump the commonly practiced drain intervals used by those who are not open to such concepts as conservation, increased operational efficiencies and decreased consumption of limited resources.

I dont know the statistics offhand but I'm fairly confident that the quantity of oil that is actually recycled and put to good commercial use is miniscule when compared to the quantity of lubricating oil actually consumed in any given year. Recycling of engine oil is even more limited.

grover432 10-28-2009 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lubehead (Post 674635)
grover432, I don't understand how the occasional addition of makeup oil to an engine is more damaging to the environment then an oil change.

Here in Massachusetts and other states in New England there are hundreds of thousands of waste oil heaters spewing unburnt hydrocarbons into the environment. These heaters are not very efficient and certainly do not have any sophisticated emmission controls.

Large trucking companies, refuse haulers, construction companies and a host of other fleet maintenance facilities actually resist longer drain intervals even though they have been proven to not only be safe and do not compromise engine life, so they can have used engine oil to heat their garages.

The math cannot work. Use a higher quality engine oil with a proactive condition monitoring program and add an occasional quart or even gallon of makeup oil and the overall consumption/environmental impact will trump the commonly practiced drain intervals used by those who are not open to such concepts as conservation, increased operational efficiencies and decreased consumption of limited resources.

I dont know the statistics offhand but I'm fairly confident that the quantity of oil that is actually recycled and put to good commercial use is miniscule when compared to the quantity of lubricating oil actually consumed in any given year. Recycling of engine oil is even more limited.

If 200 million cars on the road do the same thing, it adds up. Even though industry has a poor record and uses oil to heat their shops, etc., that just makes the argument for redoubling our efforts to put regulations in place to stop it.

I would say that most people considering the X35d are doing so because they want to pay less for fuel but still go fast. Many are also concerned about their carbon footprint.

There are many more non commercial drivers on the road than commercial trucks and the impact of good policy on reduced pollution whether through reduced fuel consumption, oil consumption or oil usage through extended service life can all play a part.

Maybe an extended oil change interval will result in increased engine wear and will require replacement earlier. I'm OK with that. If the engine needs a rebuild at 130,000 miles instead of 180,000 miles, maybe that is just the cost we have to pay.

In the mean time, if the X35d is supposed to burn oil, then so be it. If it isn't then BMW should fix it. Personally I don't like having to add oil, but if it is within BMW spec then I'd live with it. I certainly wouldn't call it a plus though because of new additives "propping up" the life of the existing oil when BMW says the interval they recommend is OK.


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