2010.1 North America Professional DVDs
 

It looks the 2010.1 North America Professional DVDs are out. The maps are from TeleAtlas rather than from NavTeq. Part # 65902158158

There are two (single layer) DVD's.
1. Region 1 covers MN,IA,MO,AR,LA,WI,IL,KY,TN,MS,AL,GA,FL,SC,NC,VA,WV ,OH,IN,MI, DC,MD,DE,NJ,PA,NY,CT,RI,MA,NH,VT,ME,Canada (so it's mostly "east")
2. Region 2 covers
MN,IA,MO,AR,LA,TX,OK,KS,NE,SD,ND,MT,WY,CO,NM,AZ,UT ,ID,WA,
OR,NV,CA,HI,AK,Canada,Mexico,Puerto Rico (so it's mostly "west")

It claims to contain over 142,000 miles of updated roads and feature millions of updated named placed (Points of Interest) including:
* Over 625,000 Restaurants
* Over 172,000 Department Stores
* Over 120,000 Banks
* Over 111,000 Gas Stations
* Over 82,000 Hotels
* Over 26,000 Tourist Attractions
* 435 BMW Centers (includes U.S., Canada and Mexico)
Other Map Attributes
* More than 7.3 million miles of road networks
* More than 367 million addresses
* 12.6 million Points Of Interest in 106 easily searchable categories, from necessities such as food, gas and lodging to attractions like shopping malls and museums.


I have heard of some NavTeq 2009.1 DVD uses reverting back to that version because their area wasn't covered so well. After all, it is a different map supplier.


Our board sponsor, ECS Tuning, has this 2010.1 update.

Just receveid mine from Roseville BMW, I found it odd that it was in a 2 DVD single layer format. I am annoyed that you cannot find any independant auto service facilities.. mine included.

That's a pretty bad omission. I'm assuming it was in the Navteq-based 2009.1 DVD?

I suggest writing or calling TeleAtlas (ask for Andrew) to ask them to update this run or at least include them in future releases:

TeleAtlas - American Headquarters
11 Layfayette St
Lebanon NH 03766-1445
800-331-7881

As far as the two DVD format goes, I read that a number of BMWs had problems with the dual layer (DVD+R DL) format. BMW actually released a later version of the 2009.1 DVD that was a single layer (the original was dual layer).

Have the POI categories changed at all? The way these are structured is dependent on the map DVD structure rather than hard coded in the nav os.

That's difficult to tell without spending a fair amount of time with one disc in and then the other.

Regarding vmwerks comment regarding lack of independent auto facilities, I found some in my area but there not in the Car Services section (where they should be). They are under Business > Fuel Stations. Unfortunately, most of the listings in that sections are gas stations (some with a small shop) but I saw a couple listed that were independent auto facilities that don't sell gas. Generally, the local independent auto facilities not listed anywhere.

Hmm I'll go and check for my shop... I only sell race fuel though.. :P

Thanks for the update. I have not been happy with the Nav maps.

Do You Recommend the Update? Why or Why not?

Just curious, do the saved locations from the nav still remain after switching? Also, I assume the map etc still looks the same?

Ok, newb ignorance question: is this for 2009 and older only (DVD based systems) or can this somehow be used to update the 2010 HD based system? Will the TeleAtlas overwrite the NavTeq?

And, FBO all - anyone have a handle on cost?
T.I.A.

$215.42 (including tax)

This should be what is loaded on your 2010 HD.

Cost is $199 most places.

Sorry, perhaps I am confused between TeleAtlas vs NavTeq. I guess I had thought the TeleAtlas was that comes from USA and NavTeq from Europe but perhaps I had those reversed. I had read how the vendor was changed for the 2010 to the European company's USA maps and found the idea ridiculous. Reading this thread, I thought I might have found a way to switch back. Oh well, glad I started off with "newb ignorance question"! ;)

So this would be the update for my '09 X5, correct?

This was the update for my 2008. Went from one-disk (Navteq) to a two-disc (Teleatlas, I think).

Notice any improvements?

Looks just the same to me on the screen, but I had no issues with the old one. Until we go cross country to Nantucket later this spring, I really won't get a chance to test it out thoroughly. All in-town driving between now and then.

One change: the name of our street was misspelled on the old one. It is correct on the new one!

Saved locations all remained after switching. Generally, the maps looks the same. It's strange that it doesn't even show my town name though -- we only have 25,000 people in this town... :rolleyes:

I have to wonder why the need for two DVD's, it looks like all that data would fit easily on one double layer DVD.

I read somewhere that the DVD BMW uses had some errors reading dual layer DVDs, so they went back to using 2 instead of 1.

I have not encountered any differences.
 

As stated before, all my address book and recent destinations remained unchanged.

Using 2 single layer DVD is a good idea. When I backed up the 2009.1 DVD there was really only one compatible disk (Verbatim 8x DVD+R DL) and I had to use DVD Decrypter to rip it and burn it. The data has to be distributed correctly between the layers or it will not work.

I burned the 2010 onto Sony DVD+R 8x (Made in Japan) which are actually Taiyo-Yuden. I understand these are the best and I use them for any critical DVD need.

CALLED THE DEALER YESTERDAY.. 2010 DVD OUT IN JUNE
 

:thumbup:

Your dealer is wrong. It's already out.

You are absolutely correct. elvism can look at the posts above. I also posted a link to it on the ECS Tuning site.

I just updated to the new dvd. Does anyone else find that it works a bit slower than the old version? It seems that if I don't follow the directions exactly, it takes almost 30 seconds to update/recalculate. The old dvd would be closer to 5 seconds. Also, on the initial load there is a delay for the directions to load and a while for my idrive clicks to be reflected.

No, not finding it to be any slower. Seems to be much the same. Even on the initial load.

I have always wished the Nav was faster so I am pretty conscious of how long it has always taken to load and to update/recalculate.

+1. My impression is that is the same as the old one (I have 2008.1). The only overall change I noticed (other than updated roads) is that some roads are now red.

The roads would have been updated... for people that drive in established areas with little change I would skip a year between DVD's.

There was alot of building in my area over the past several years. Consequently there are alot of changes year to year.

FWIW NAV is like my IPOD, I have alot of stuff in it but only listen to very little. Over the weekend I was in Chico and used it to find restaurants etc. It was one of the few times I actually needed it for nav, I primarily use it to get an ETA.

Agreed - however, I think some roads that used to be yellow are now red. No big deal but it one change.

2 DVDs don't work for me since I live in OK and twice a year go AR, AL, TN, GA, SC, NC, VA, FL.

:confused: So twice a year, you swap the DVDs? Doesn't sound like a big deal but maybe I'm missing something.

Remembering that OK and AR are on different DVDs, think about the problems this creates on the first and last days of these runs because I make real-time decisions related to hotels, food, fuel based on data from the nav. And what happens if I get a warning and need to detour starting in one state and going to the other (e.g. OK/AR)?

My question is why couldn't they keep us going with a single DVD? It is really true that no updated NavTeq will work in my 2008?

OK, I get it now. There is no updated NavTeq for BMW so I think you can forget that.

It seems like BMW should have released the one DVD and the one DVD dual layer as options. That's what they did with the previous version (although the DVD dual layer came out first). From what I've seen posted on other BMW forums, there were a number of cars that problems with the dual layer format which implies that that's why they produced a DVD version as well. This 2010.1 version It has a lot more data than the previous version from NavTeq so there is no way that they have produced a single layer DVD version with all the maps...

If I can find the time, I'll see if I can figure out what I need to edit and combine to try to make one dual layer DVD of this 2010.1 version.

I think most people are not doing cross country drives and can predominantly use 1 dvd and benefit from less errors and more data.

Having said that, I have a 2008 and am clearly having issues with this 2010 dvd being a lot slower to load and refresh than my old 2008 dvd. Just this morning it took almost 2 minutes for the directions to pull up and then it would freeze in the middle and not reflect where my car was moving towards when I had turned.

No issues with my old 2008.

Perhaps it's bad weather? It might be a problem communicating via satellite? It's been terrible weather here the past week.

Looking at earlier posts and mention made of issues with double-layered DVDs make me wonder if that relates to the fact fact that I was one of those who had to have the dealer replace the DVD drive. The thread about this is about one year old so not sure how to find it unless this is it: http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...yer-issue.html

Just FYI for those that are wondering if one dual layer DVD can be created to combine Region 1 and Region 2 DVDs...

I spent some time looking at the configuration files and directories on the two DVDs. They have exactly the same directory and file structure. I looked into the data in the files that I could. I found that all the navigation data is stored within a TABLES directory with the same set of 218 file names -- so that's biggest problem. After editing some files and renaming some others, I combined the two DVDs which resulted in 4.70GB of data (a single layer DVD maxes out at 4.30GB). The dual layer DVD that I created was not recognizable as a navigation disc though.

I'm not saying that someone can't figure out a way to combine this data but I can tell you it'll not be a trivial matter...

^ what if you remove some states that just don't matter? :D

There are no file names that identify what state/s that data is for. Going into the raw data, I couldn't identify any states either.

[rant on]
When they charge $1900 for the Navi option, they should be offering map updates for free. For $200 that they ask for the update, one can by a portable navigation unit that is more user friendly and flexible than the OEM solution. Whoever builds software for BMW OEM navigation system needs to hire better usability and MMI engineers.

P2P should do the justice to the poor engineering covered by arm-twisting marketing.
[rant off]

I got a card from BMW about upgrading my nav dvd and when I asked if OK was on a different dvd than AR and other states to the southeast at first I was told no then later yes. I know the op said OK was on #2 dvd but any chance that it is also on #1 even though the dvd sticker does not mention it?

I do agree with the rant by evolver, but my dvd was new last year and really got it wrong in Greensboro and a few other places so an update would be welcome relief.

GPSnV1,

No, OK is not on dvd #1. I just went into the car's Navigation and that state does not exist on there.

Well now I am wondering about trying to get GPS and/or Trapster on my iPad or even the new VI beta connection (iPhone only) to help both with nav and with leos as I prepare for a 4K run next month.

I am half way through 4K miles and my 2008 maps have failed multiple times especially in/out/around Florence Myrtle Beach, SC and then Durham followed by Greensboro, NC. I also had issues in Atlanta, more than one place in TN (Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, Pigeon Forge) and so on.

It is almost like I would have been better off to print out my routes on Mapquest. That's not what I had in mind when I stopped using a Garmin and purchased the factory navigation.

So if I go with the 2 DVD set and the problem of having to switch disks for OK and AR will the new dvds really solve some of the problems I am getting on this run through OK-AR-TN-GA-SC-NC?

Edited the next morning to speculate on whether the DVD drive is having issues reading what must be a double-layered DVD. That is, the more I think about problems with various destinations I wonder if the DVD is being read correctly. My home dealer replaced the factory DVD drive already but I can hear the DVD start spinning as soon as I get into the vehicle and other times as well even when the nav is not engaged.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't even consider updating.

Even though I have Nav and HUD, my $150 portable Garmin device is infinitely better than the p.o.c. BMW sold us. I tell all my friends looking to buy a BMW to skip the navigation.....does it work...yes, but its functionality is pathetic.

This makes me wonder about using the $50 TomTom app for my iPad 3G and iPhone 3GS (iPhone 4 next month).

Anyone have real-world experience to know how the TomTom app compares with what I have on the 2008 X5 GPS using the 2009 DVD?

It was very frustrating to have spent so much on an X5 and see the FREE BeatTheTraffic app outperform the BMW nav.

Edited to say that TomTom could not tell me what they use so I guess it is radio but that deepens the mystery about what data are used by BeatTheTraffic.
Some related links: How can we provide reliable, complete, timely, and concisely presented traffic data? - and TomTom, portable GPS car navigation systems

I have the 2010 and it is a Pain in the a$$ because I have trips where I cross from one disk to another. So If you are doing a cross country trip, you have to pick a point near the end of the map enter that location, get to there, stop the car, put in the new disk, let it sit for 5-10 min and then go on.... That is why I keep my 2009 disk in the car at all times.

Even with "heads up" display, I'll take my $150 Magellan any day over my BMW's navigation. It is just better in every way. I've used the Navigation on a 2011 loaner and it is better than my '07, but the user interface is just not very user friendly imho.

BMW needs to hire decent user interface designers. Navigation interface is an epic fail. I would even say that this is the worst $1900 I have ever spent.

I would agree. The GPS hardware is excellent, but the new TeleAtlas software and database is terrible. In the middle of nowhere in Idaho it told me to turn off of the highway onto a small dirt private farm road at least a couple of times. There have been many other similar errors, including one where it was confusing two cities in Texas that were more than 40 miles apart, e.g., it showed a Hampton Inn in city "X" in the database, and when you choose it and told the nav to go there, the city name changed to city "Y" more than 40 miles away.

Not infrequently the nav voice will tell me to turn left or right, while the route on the map sows straight ahead. If I follow the nav voice, it just takes me around a block or two to the next place to turn, and brings me back to the original route.

My Garmin software is vastly superior although, as I said, the BMW hardware is faster with a better display. So I guess the BMW Nav system can more quickly and precisely take me to the wrong place, using a bad route with inaccurate voice commands, as compared to the $150 Garmin!

I have to agree that the navigation interface is awful. It's hard to understand why when there are so many better examples out there. It's tough though, I don't want to have to mount my smaller iPhone screen on the dash or worry about hiding a Garmin or something so that it doesn't get stolen.