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Question for those with Child seats
My friend told me that if you have your kid in a child seat , you should turn off the side airbags next to the seat. Is this true ? If so, how do you do that on these vehicles ? I looked but have no idea. Any info is appreciated.
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I read somewhere that the X5's have curtain side airbags. So, it's not a concern with young passengers. It's only the front airbags that's a danger for young or small passengers.
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Yes, the side airbags are curtain. However, just keep in mind, the middle rear seat is the safest seat to put a young child, no airbag problems and smaller risk of direct impact.
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Im not sure there is great info on this. A 'child seat' is safest in the CENTER of the rear seat.
I think a child seat can also be OK in the outboard position, since they are constrained to the confines of the seat.... HOWEVER, a booster seat or a young child COULD be injured by side airbags if they are laying against them when they deploy. (They are not constrained when they are no longer in a child seat...) Now can you or should you turn off the side airbags on the X5? Dunno. My E39 had this as a 'dealer selectable' feature for the rear seats.... A |
Thanks a lot for the info guys. I appreciate it.
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I just google'd it but I have read several articles and studies all saying the same. Center rear seat is the safest spot for the car seat.
Safest Spot for Baby's Car Seat? |
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Yes. You cannot use that latch if you mount the seat in the middle.
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Is this going to be another one of those "urban legend" type of issues issues? The "LATCH" system is NOT "super safe". It is, in fact, no safer that a properly secured standard belt. The only thing the LATCH does better with is when a moron doesn't attach the standard belt- THAT'S ALL. So it reduces user error, and therefore it marketed as being 'safer'.... So if you are a moron who cannot attach a standard belt to a car seat, by all means use the LATCH. If you can figure out physical things and not screw it up, the center position is safer and the LATCH adds nothing. This whole LATCH thing gets repeated like a mantra and becomes a truth.... IMO A The Car Seat Lady - The LATCH System |
Since this is my first child, I fall into the moron chapter. I'm learning as I go. Bear with me sir ;-)
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@ard...there is really no need to call anyone a moron. I think this is uncalled for, on our fine forum! |
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Just said use the LATCH if you ARE a moron and cannot figure out how to belt a seat in properly. You get to decide if you are using it because you are a moron or some other reason, ok? Enough with the woe-is-me, everyone is so offended attitude. Grow a pair and discuss the ISSUE on it's merits- not how someone called someone a name. However, you said you actually went to a firestation to ask these automotive geniuses their expert opinions.... so who can questions such arbiters of safety, right? They said it is "welded in" and "must be safe" since "it is federally mandated". I wont argue one of those points you seem to make for a simple reason: we are not discussing of it is safe or not, but rather IS IT "safer" than a properly fastened seatbelt! ... Everyone keeps repeating "LATCH is safer" and pretty soon everyone, including firemen, believe it must be safer. (Just like idiots at tire stores are absolutely convinced that Nitrogen fill is safer and better...) Find something IN WRITING (from a federally recognized safety organization, IHTSA, NHTSA, etc) that states a LATCH connection has been tested to be SAFER than a properly connected belt and I will "wholeheartedly and unequivocally" apologize. (In fact, for larger kids, the LATCH has a lower rating than seatbelts...which, guess what?, are WELDED TO THE CAR'S STRUCTURE..and must hold MUCH more force than a kids seat LATCH connection! Surprise?) You wont find it. All you'll find is "the latch system is easier for unskilled people to use and therefore it is always the system that we must recommend to the unwashed masses." I can be rude and can be arrogant- but I admit when I am wrong, and appreciate the education. Love to hear there is data somewhere prove latch is safer... go find it and make me eat these words. Sorry if you don't like my tact, or lack thereof... I find that bringing people up short sometimes gets there attention.... So. A |
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Enjoy your seatbelt, and I will enjoy my LATCH system. We're both happy! End, Fin, Schluß!! |
You can still use latch in the middle seat as mentioned by using the inner latches of the two side seats.
Seems like the wise firemen agree that the middle rear seat is safer. While I understand it is not as easy to get to, keep in mind, easier to get to for you means easier for a car to get to in a collision as well. By the way, if you get one of the car seats which have a base, you only have to do the seat belt/latch one time so it's really not a worry in terms of hassle. |
people, people.. just have twins and you won't have to worry about where to put the car seats.
BTW, LATCH is a great invention, switch the carseats between the E70 and a minivan at times. Talk about snap & go for the same amount of security. Unskilled? I don't know why anyone would purposely WANT TO stick belts through small holes as opposed to latching. I don't have LATCH in my other SUV and it sucks having to do it with belts. Nothing to do with how good you are at it. Or how smart you are, for that matter. Ard, you seem to be arguing against LATCH being safer by saying it was never stated anywhere and to show that it has, but you prove nothing of your own by simply saying it's not. I don't think anyone minds being corrected, but do it the right way if you're gonna do it at all. |
Next up, let's argue about Car seat brands. My Britax adds more HP than your Graco !!! :nanana:
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I went with the Orbit Baby. It was the easiest for me to get into the base and onto the stroller. I also bought another base for the other car so I don't need to mess around with moving anything.
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Page 60 of my 2001 X5 manual (in the airbag section, not the child seat section) states:
"We recommend that the rear seat side airbags, if provided, be deactivated if children will travel in the rear seat. The rear seat side airbags may already have been deactivated, either at the time of manufacture or by a BMW center. Labels in the rear door opening should indicate the status of your rear seat side airbags. If you are uncertain of their status, or wish to have the airbags activated or deactivated, please contact your BMW center." In addition, LATCH anchors are only provided for the outboard seats; you cannot use the LATCH system if you are installing a child seat in the center of the back seat. If you use that location, use the seatbelt, which is equally safe (just a bit more labor-intensive). Some car seat manufacturers allow installation on "non-standard LATCH spacing" but the vehicle itself does not. |
latch system and airbag system are completely different from the E53 so it doesn't apply.
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BMW does not allow LATCH borrowing (use of the outboard LATCH anchors for the center seat) in any models.
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What does it mean that BMW does not allow LATCH borrowing? My guess is that it simply means they do not want to assume liability in case anything goes wrong since there is no evidence supporting the safety of this usage.
However, I can't see why physically, it would be any different to use the outboard ones for the center seat. It is still physically attached the same way with the LATCH, the only difference might be that it is slightly longer reach than if you used the proper LATCH points. I don't see how the longer reach would compromise the safety of the car seat as if installed properly, there is absolutely no way the car seat can move or fall off. |
The LATCH system is a standardized system set at a certain distance apart (280mm, or 11 inches). When set into the outboard seats, borrowing the LATCH bars for an install in the center seat means the LATCH attachments are not at the standard spacing (since the width of the center seat varies). Britax allows use of LATCH with non-standard spacing, but only when the vehicle specifically allows it. There are a few vehicles that allow it--Ford has a couple of models that allow use of center LATCH if there is only one seat in the car--but for the most part it's not allowed.
The car seat is not going to separate from the vehicle or 'fall off'--the issue is that, in a crash, the child seat can perform unpredictably and might not protect the child adequately. In a fender bender, chances are everything would be fine, but in a severe crash with lots of energy being thrown around, it might make a difference. That kind of unpredictability is what makes the car seat & vehicle manufacturers err on the side of caution and disallow it yo remove themselves from liability. Either way, the LATCH system is provided as a convenience factor, with the idea that an easier install = better installation = a safer child. However, a seat correctly installed with the seat belt is just as safe as a seat correctly installed with LATCH (and in the case of a center install in a car without dedicated center LATCH attachments, a seat belt install would be considered safer, as using the anchors would be considered misuse). |
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According to The LATCH Manual, which is a compilation of LATCH information provided directly by the vehicle manufacturer, BMW does not allow the use of center LATCH in any model. :thumbup: |
and I suppose Sarah Palin passed you that info or you saw it written in the sky from looking at russia? ;)
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Uh, sure!
Although it does help that I have a legit source--BMW :) |
Ard,
I don't think the LATCH system is necessarily "safer". However, since studies have found that most ppl do not correctly install baby seats in their cars, then the LATCH system is "safer" in that it's easier for ppl. And unfortunately, we all know the intelligence of most Americans. So, it's the better install method. If the non-LATCH setup is done correctly, then of course it's as safe as a LATCH setup. |
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Precisely my point. |
Well, you don't have to be a moron to install car seats improperly (as evidenced by those on here who are using center LATCH ;)). The nationwide statistic is that 90% of car seats are installed and/or used improperly, although it's arguable that 90% of the population is idiots ;)
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I guess since it's my first child, and I know nothing about this I'm in the 90% moronic percentile. I bet there are a few subjects that I may know more than you about. I wouldn't call you a moron for it. It is not your area of expertise. I'll leave it at that.
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I am sure there are :) and I certainly didn't call anyone here a moron.
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Now I remember why i dont visit this site anymore
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Ard is as subtle as a bull in a china shop. He’s like school on weekends, no CLASS! (Fat Albert reference)
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Ha. Agreed. |
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Does anyone know if BMW supports having three car seats on the 2nd row with X5? Would you also reference the source please? Thank you.
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There was a thread about it a couple days ago http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-their-x5.html |
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Note also that you can use the front seat for a child restraint device (only if you turn the airbag off) but you can't use the third row. |
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