Navigation Update
 

I have a 2008 x5 and was wondering if I should update to the latest update. Any plus or minus would be appreciated.

I will add to that... Where does one get a reliable Nav DVD? I've seen downloads to burn on the web as well as used DVD's. I'm sure the stealership charges a lot for them.

get it from a torrent, the latest would be 2009, after that i believe is an HD version

How and where please ? (link if you can )

Thanks.

google it i dont remember where i dl it from

not worth the money, doesn't even show some of the latest here. Free is good though. ;)

I was just about to ask if you had a link and instructions. I'll try to google it

Thanks

its free, make sure you read the burning instructions so the car recognizes it

ill try to look for it but its has been over a year

lol....borrowing for the time of use

i guess u bought it from bmw for $200

I just ordered from here. East Region. I'll let you know how it is when I get it. $49

2011 BMW Navigation DVD Maps - Home

Please do...don't forget. I'm interested too.

do you guys think the updates are worth the cost of $200?

Alex...you wanna tell us you're always doing only legal stuff ? Come on..... and...btw...we're all glad to bring some amusement to your boring life :))

Alex...send me your picture . I will show my son a row model for his life ...
Big thanks in advance ...

I know someone who was impatient because the torrent was not being posted and purchased the East version from that "store". When the DVD arrive, it looked like the real thing and worked perfectly. He was very happy with his $49 purchase.

But you're right, they are available on torrents now. Not that I know anything about that...

In a word, yes, but only probably every three years or so.
(oh, and if you think $200 is bad, they used to charge $400 for it)

Roads - even major roads - change in my area quite often, but that's rare for most folks.

It does take a year or more for changes to be reflected in the data sources, and there's a lot of effort in collecting those data. Someone didn't create it for free, so I don't expect to get it for free, either.

It's true that some NAV device makers offer "free lifetime updates" - for their little tiny awkward display that always makes you look like a tool driving down the road.

I prefer a large, integrated display, but I do understand those that want a newer device with maybe more features, it's cheap, etc. Suit yourself.

It probably would not kill BMW to make map updates free, though..

Finally got home after being away on business the past couple days. Actually checked their website again this morning and it was completely down this time. Well, the disk was in the mail when I got home. Put it in the DVD player and told me to shut the system down for five minutes and that it detected a newer version. When I turned the car back on it worked!! : )

I thought I would give it a try and it found a restaurant that just opened maybe 8 months ago. I also tried the red-light\speed trap - it showed the one that just went active down the road about 4-5 months ago. I also have the Escort 9500ix which I keep updated with all the red-light\speed trap info; but it's nice that I can now see the current cameras on my Nav screen.

Sorry, I forgot to add originally..

My version says..

112.9104.12
Road Map North America Premium 2010

A version number is good, but if they change the meaning, not so much.. and I don't know what it means, really. But that's what it says. :)

I thought I read an update on this thread but can't find it right now, so..

I'm not really a fan of Garmin or TomTom, but that's a matter of opinion, of course. The main thing I like about an integrated NAV unit is that it usually has a large screen (very true on the X5, and it's BEAUTIFUL) and of course ergonomics, etc. have been done to acccomodate everything.

I know folks who had manufacturer units that were based on TomTom or other designs and they were not happy with them. The graphics can be quite crude - new Acuras, for example - and their routing is.. interesting.

Certainly, people almost always question their car's NAV routing, forgetting that it may be basing that route on time, distance or efficiency, which are not always the most obvious routes.

Garmin seems better in this respect - and it's EXCELLENT for "not in the car" applications, particularly with terrain, etc. - but still seems somewhat ill-suited to the car.

Currently, my only two complaints about the 2011 X5 NAV is that it's ETA for "city" destinations is absurd. For example, it will say that it takes an hour and 20 minutes to get to work, which is 18 miles and takes maybe 40 minutes in heavy traffic, yet it gives very accurate estimates for highway trips. The Lexus was MUCH better in this regard.

It's POI database is not the best around, but to put that in perspective, it's actual road maps tend to be very, very recent based on whenever the data was finalized.

Yes, I think maybe it's high time they gave us "lifetime" or some period of free updates. Yes, it would be better if they were more frequent.

But even Garmin and TomTom owners have complained that yeah, the updates are free, and yeah, they're frequent, but they're also frequently WRONG. The most common problem being "road X" that is PLANNED to go from point A to point C through point B is on the map.. But the road dead ends at point B. I guess it's a matter of preference as to whether one likes THAT way or "there is no point B, so I'll give you another route to point C."

And something like the opposite is true.. Where the road DOES go from A to C but it shows that it does not pass through point B at this time.

I wish it gave me the option to "ignore" certain sections, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't. The Lexus did - although that was restricted to, as I recall, only THREE such points, but that was useful. Even major roads change around here yearly, so it's kind of a headache. I really don't want to buy a new map update if it's not going to reflect changes.

Such is the price of technology, I guess.

Tomtom IS "teleatlas"!!! Tomtom got into a bidding war with Garmin, and tomtom won.

There are two vendors for map data in the USA:

Teleatlas
navteq

BMW chose wrong.

Google does their own mapping, AFAIK- although they had previously used teleatlas, my guess is they grew tired of the incompetence...

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Here is a bit of a different question:

Does the language in the BMW new car warranty require them to repair any defects in the map data due to 'defects in worksmanship'?

I am not talking about a road that isn't listed, but where there are defects either in the media- or in the coding- such that erroneous operation results.

And this is a narrow discussion on the legal issue, not a "I asked my dealer and he said no"....anyone need a pdf of the warranty booklet? I cannot find any exclusion for software.

Thoughts?


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Most of my experience is with NAVTEQ, who many say is the better provider in North America, but..

From what I can find - which, surprisingly, isn't as much as I'd like - TeleAtlas is the better data provider in Europe.

So far, except for a slimmer POI database than I'm used to - but it's always hit or miss - the TeleAtlas map seems to be somewhat more accurate on actual "road positions" but somewhat less accurate on their address model.

But why would choosing TeleAtlas be "the wrong one?" Sorry, I'm only trying to learn more about this.

I won't hide the fact that I was VERY leery at first, but as I've gotten to use it more - the ETA issue I described notwithstanding - I've actually become IMPRESSED. Maybe it's just the graphics, but it's been very satisfying to use. A bit slower than I would have thought for a hard drive-based system, although not any worse than the DVD one I was used to.

Oh, and that startup time still kills me. The ancient Lexus DVD-based system was "instant on."

We've had a major off-ramp get closed and two major highways about to come online (extensions, really) in the next year or so, so I'll wait for another update.

In the meantime, I know BMW said recently they were going to go to the MeeGo environment going forward. Not sure if THAT'S a good move either.

That is good to know. :)

I beg your pardon - I don't wish to appear flippant, but..

Whenever I look for "reviews" for any given product, I look for the BAD ones first, THEN the good ones. Most often, the "bad" ones are some unreasonable expectation or some petty complaint, and you have to weed through those for the REAL BAD complaints. "Product broke in a month" or, in this case, "does really annoying things X and Y" are good to know.

By that token, I would like to hear cases where TeleAtlas data was just plain bad. I know they exist. Right now, NO MAP DATA will be 100% correct in every case - as I said, roads change VERY FREQUENTLY here, and so it's definitely a concern. I'm more concerned with who has more correct data.

Not that I would get to pick, in any case.. <sigh>
And for that, I definitely sympathize.

One other complaint I had with the Lexus (NAVTEQ).. Roads - particularly highways - were inconsistently named. For example, it would find "HWY 55" but it would only find "NC HWY 54" and not "HWY 54." It was not the same. SO FAR, the TeleAtlas is consistent here AND more flexible, i.e. I can find "HWY 54" OR "NC HWY 54". With the NAVTEQ it was its way, or well.. The highway. It also searched only on simple matches, not in proximity. It was also very bad at telling what towns were "near," but certainly I'll chalk that up more to implementation than bad data. In the end, for a manufacturer's integrated system, it all matters.

So far, I'm very satisfied. I think the Lexus system had a slight edge in usability and (yeah, again) in its ability - without traffic data - to accurately predict ETA, although, strangely, it would not "adapt." If it WOULD have been 30 minutes but I drove like a maniac, it would be off. With the X5's system, it WILL adapt and as I get closer, it will be more accurate.. But it's the ridiculous initial (or far away) time that bothers me. It could say I'm half a mile from home and it will take five minutes! Irritating.

I agree about teleatlas being strong in EU. I've used BMW nav in Europe several times and it was very, very good. Better integration and functionality than the US in the last 2010 5 series I drove. I remember thinking "wow, I wish nav worked like this in the US"

So it is my belief that BMW changed vendors based- in large part- on their experience with teleatlas in Europe, and really did not understand the impact of the sub-par maps in the USA on the customer experience here... I can tell you that BMWNA is getting hammered with complaints and has dedicated staff to field calls about nav and forward those complaints onwards. The know precisely who to send the comments to, as it is a well-worn pathway....

Back to 'wrong one'.... there appears to be hidden data defects scattered throughout the Teleatlas database that makes the routing algorithm 'think' there isn't a through road when there is.... as a result many people get very whacky routing. Can it find a restaurant or an address- yes. But the bigger problem is that the routes are nowhere near optimal due to these occult flaws within the data describing the road.

I think over time this will get addressed- 3,4 years and they will pull it up...BUT at OUR expense, and only if BMW hammers on Teleatlas under the terms of their secret agreement (which hopefully includes performance and complaint clauses to force teleatlas)

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How about driving on vacation through Utah last Summer and the Nav tells me to turn left while driving on a highway. The map shows a road to the left, but all there is are cattle grazing and not even a cow trail of a road ten miles either way.

Numerous people will tell you how TeleAtlas data frequently cannot identify the correct town for locations. I'm suspcious that it some how uses zip codes to identify town for locations, which is ridiculous, since there are many, many mailing addresses/zip codes that do not match the actual physical location.

But rather than type, just do a search and you will find many example of how bad Teleatlas data is.

Here's a start:

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-comments.html

Check-out post #30...

just one story
 

I, too, drive a 2008 and wanted to get the new maps due to some changes in my two major trips a year. I stopped first because of being unsure about the quality of the latest maps but also because one must purchase 2 dvds and one dvd works for OK and another for AR (where I drive through 4 times a year).

In the meantime, I used my iPhone and iPad last summer and found that the free ap called BeatTheTraffic gave more real-time information about traffic than I got from the built-in nav. So what I did most on the last run (Dec) was to place my iPhone withTomTom right in front of the map of the built-in nav where I could still see the column with turns on the factory unity. The TT app demonostrate turns well on interstates and I am still experimenting with which voice to turn on.

BeatTheTraffic now has a lot of ads so I am waiting for either MapQuest or Google maps to do a better job with live traffic on their apps.

I would gladly pay for a merger of these technologies much as I would if one could merge V1 with the Redline. But for now I am also running both the V1 & RL at the same time.

I have not tested this as yet, but the TT app for iPhone/iPad has MapShare that in theory makes corrections to the maps quite often:

TomTom, portable GPS car navigation systems - mapshare

I noticed the BMW web wants $350 for navigation dvds which is higher than what I want to go but just curious if the $200 sets at the dealers will be updated before summer.

I didn't see in the thread where anyone gave feedback on the torrents for the 2011 Nav DVD, so I will. It works great, and I use it in both my E70 and E92 without any issues. I can confirm the maps are indeed updated from the 2010 maps (which i purchased from the dealership) and does include the red light and speed cameras. If you are familiar with torrents you can figure out how to download and use these. You can all the info you need on the links here:

2011 Nav DVDs Released - Page 4 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com

The only issue you will have is if you burn the dvd at too high of a speed as it can introduce errors into the disc.

Anyone find a working source for the CIC maps???

This is the 3 DVD set for cars that require a FSC activation code and the data gets loaded on the hard drive...so 2010 E70 and newer....

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So I've been unable to find a dealer selling those. Yes there WERE links to sites...NO they are not valid any longer.

Anyone have a good link to ANY site actually selling the DVDs????

(Note that my request was not specific to 'pirated' sources... although it appears BMW is seeking to monopolize the upgrade process to only BMW dealers with a cost of $400+... in which case I am less aghast at the concept of 'pirating'...)

I can buy the FSC for $100. and not at "my" dealer, but yes from someone who has the BMW keygen capability....

Thx

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Thanks a lot for those links. I did download those two files. The only question I have is : when you burn it to a disk - do you load one for East and one for West region or you load two files to the same disk ? Thanks a lot.

For 2010 and newer navigation DVD's, BMW changed their provider for Maps from Navteq to Tele Altas. They now release them in 2 Regions (East and West) and are 2 separate discs. You will burn each of them separately and select the slowest burn speed your computer offers. After you're finished burning the DVD, put whichever region pertains to you in, you'll see a notice on the screen saying new maps detected and to shutdown your idrive for 5 minutes (or something similar). Turn the car off and wait, or you can push both eject buttons and the mute button all together and it will reboot your idrive system and you'll be up and running with the new maps. :thumbup:

*EDIT* You do know you need to the burn the the ISO files with a program like Nero or any other one that handle ISO file (an ISO is image of the info on the original dvd). You can't just add it to a dvd as a file and burn it, it won't work. I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, just thought I would cover that and potential save someone from wasting dvd's and wondering why they don't work.

Good advice. On a PC, just use the free ImgBurn program and preferably Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden DVD-R (but others should work too).

I tried to download the zipped files from the link. The download took 1 second and the files are "invalid". Does anyone have the files? Will this update work on an '07 X5?

The links to the zipped files don't work very well because you will often get disconnected from the hosting server before the file completes, which is what happened in your case. These files are very large and even on an extremely fast internet connection should take at least 30 minutes and probably closer to 1-2.5 hours. I recommend using the torrent links. Send me a PM if you aren't familiar with torrents and I'll explain everything to get you set up.

Does each require dual-layer discs? Can't tell cause they're zipped.

EDIT>> looks like the east is just 4.1GB unzipped... surprised since the previous one (also 2 parts) needed DL.

No, not dual-layer discs (for 2011).

If I remember correctly, the 2010 version was not dual layer either. The initial 2009 version was but then BMW released another version for 2009 maps that was not DL (probably because of problems that some cars were having with DL).

That is correct, 2010 was single layer discs as well.

I would gladly pay for a single double layered DVD like we got in 2009, but I can't imagine the joy of going 120 mph on I-40 when the nav tells me to change CDs as I approach AR state line 4 times a year. I suppose one will also always get the new cd warning asking to stop the iDrive for 5 minutes.

The new maps warning will only appear once when you first insert either East or West disc, and you can switch freely between the 2 with no need to shutdown the idrive. I do agree with you though that a single dual layered disc would have been much more convenient and practical.

Thanks to the great help of jdbretz, my new disc is up and running. But I don't notice any difference. What is the difference between the disc discussed in this forum and the 2009.1 disc I was previously running?

You may not notice any difference if there hasn't been any new construction in your area. The update includes those new roads and updated POI information.

someone mentioned there is red light camera info in this update - I don't see how I could get it to show up.

Hit the Menu button, go to Navigation, scroll to the right and select Information, On Location, choose Red light/Speed Cams, conduct a search. You don't need to select any of the results, just return back to your map. The icons will now appear on your map for the Cameras in your area. Keep in mind that if you search later for a gas station or restaurant, you will have to go back and get follow the instructions above to get them to show back up. The map retains the icons for whatever POI you last searched for.

^ thx

According to this thread, the maps for the 2011 cds are provided by TomTom.

I noticed this week that the 2011 cds were giving me some odd routings so I finally ran the TT app on my iPhone at the same time and the app did a better job that the BMW nav in terms of routing choices.

I know OKC might not be a good test case but just wondering how the 2011 maps look to others.

For whatever reason the routing on BMW nav sucks compared to a TomTom, Garmin, Google maps, Etc. I usually enter an address into the Nav, then compare it to what I get on Google Maps on my blackberry. When there are differences, I choose Google's directions. For local address' the BMW nav does fine, I just don't trust it for the best route on any long distance trip.

My wife commented a few weeks ago:

"You know this thing is pretty useless unless you know where you're going"

Can you think of anything worse for a GPS system?

I agree completely! The Nav in my 335i once routed me 67 miles out of the way on a 180 mile total distance trip. Luckily I knew how to get back and caught it before I started following the directions. The biggest thing I hate about it too, is even when it routes you the wrong way, it will continue to tell you to do a U-turn for the next 20 miles before it updates and send you the way you should have gone in the first place. Bmw gets a HUGE :thumbdown on their routing protocol. I haven't used the newer hard drive based Nav but hopefully they fixed all these issues.

I am convinced it isn't the "BMW Routing Protocol", but rather the 'TeleAtlas Data' that is defective: Buried within the data is a 'discontinuity' or 'defect' that the system views as either an "open" in the road, or a section with a very, very low average speed- like a negative number. Hence the algorithm does not choose it as a viable path... and it is not until you cross over the defect that the algorithm then no longer sees the discontinuity and can properly route.

I am convinced that there are broad and manifold data defects in the teleatlas dataset BMW is selling us....

It's sort of funny.. When I was doing my research before buying a BMW I came across a comment - and they may have been from here.. :)

<paraphrase>
"Then again, maybe it's not that BMWs break any more often than other cars, but BMW owners seem to be far harder to please than other owners."

So I use the new hard drive-based NAV, and my experience with it so far has been very positive. My only complaints are some user interface nitpicks, but some of it too is that I don't know where everything is just yet. I even stumbled across some neat features while showing it to someone the other day, so I have more to learn.

But..

I have used it on several long trips and it has been flawless. These are routes I'm familiar with, yes, but it happened to pick - from the start - the perfect route, the one I would have chosen that isn't obvious, requiring many highway changes, etc. It might be coincidence, as that route is often the shortest "highway" path. OK, but still - it works great.

On local routes, it is rather stubborn to recognize "I don't want to go that way - stop telling me to take a U-turn and go the way you want me too."

The Lexus did this too, but it was somewhat less stubborn to recalculate the route. To the BMW's credit, the route it chose was fine, I just didn't feel like taking it. It will eventually - maybe a little further down the line than I would like - calculate a new route, one that's also correct.

Certainly, if it takes you more than a third out of your way, that's broken.

Given one of the same routes I speak of above, however, the Lexus wanted to take the route that was 90 miles longer on a ~500 mile trip. I don't know if it was the algorithm or the data, i.e. "road X is an Interstate and road Y is a four-lane Highway, but I really like Interstates.." Or maybe it thought "road Y is a cow path." I dunno.

Oh.. The feature I accidentally discovered is I can construct a route, bit by bit. I haven't had time to play with it, but I rather always wanted that feature. "Bread crumbs" would probably be better, but it's better than "take it or leave it." Stored trips are nice too.

Not to beat on the dead horse anymore, because I'm with you, but..

So far, the TeleAtlas data has only revealed to me a few flaws - very recent actual changes in roads I can forgive - but not at any better or worse rate than the NAVTEQ data on the Lexus.

Just saying. YMMV, of course. And it does. 67 miles at least.

:O

Mine has been so poor that I now use my Garmin on long trips, rather than the built-in BMW Nav.

On paved state highways in Utah, it consistently computed my estimate arrival time and travel time assuming an average speed between 20-25 mph.

Using the find function, find something in Van Horn, TX. Click to route yourself there, and you will find it now has the same street address, but says you are going to Kent, Tx, another town about 37 miles away. So when you are traveling, the question becomes is it really in Van Horn or in Kent?

In Idaho it told me to turn left on a non-existent road on a remote highway location, where there was no road in either direction for miles.

Here's a specific I wrote down. Find a shell station at exit 193 going east on I-40 and tell it to route you to it. It will not tell you to take the appropriate exit, because the map places it under the crossover road between the east and westbound interstate lanes. So you miss your fuel stop.

Over the past year on trips in the West there have been literally dozens of instances like this.

Ah. Good point - I had forgotten on that. Yes - it's ETA times are pure fiction.

It seems to be absolute FANTASY FICTION on local roads.
It's more like SCIENCE FICTION on highway trips (possible but unlikely).

I don't give it any prizes for its POI database - it's terrible. It does have a lot of what I'm looking for, but yes - sometimes it will put it in an.. odd.. town, even though the address is correct (so I get there fine).

I've never used it to GUIDE me to fuel - I just have the icon turned on, and it seems correct, but who really knows, as I get ~500 miles on a tank on the highway. :)

It would be nice if it were like an aircraft.. "Show me airports." "Oh. I mean only airports I can actually LAND at."

I keep hoping there's a software update or something.

I have had only minimal issues with the Nav system and database in the '11 X5.
Regarding newness of data, it is OK but doesn't have the latest part of the Charlotte outer belt, open for 1 year. This causes issues where "end of interstate" became an off ramp but is understandable and a data fault. Plus I like taking the new section home which really confuses it.

I have seen some POIs in the wrong location, a common problem if the address range within a block is wrong, also a data problem. One recent issue was finding a hospital. The name of the hospital has changed 3 times recently but some associated clinics had not. So when I entered Grace Hospital, it routed me to a clinic across the interstate. Once I got to the actual destination which I did know where it was, it new the hospital was there, just under a different name than it should have been. When finding a restaurant for lunch that day, 2 folks argued whether the interstate or across town was faster. The nav picked the interstate but an alternate route was across town and 1 minute longer so it nailed that one.

I have few issues with routes it suggests. If you have issues with a route, you can try shortest, fastest, most efficient, use interstates, avoid interstates, etc. You can also try alternate routes from that screen. This is neat and worked in that restaurant example above.

Note if you have traffic info and dynamic routing turned on, it will route you around traffic and give a confusing route. One complaint I have, is once you are routed around traffic, the traffic info icon is no longer is red. I then have over-looked a re-route and got stuck right in the middle of traffic.

I have found the accuracy of the ETA varies whether you have side roads first or last in your trip. Its usually accurate enough once you are on the road for 10 minutes or so.

One challenge I have seen when entering a destination, is a suburban road that crosses urban, rural, and suburban limits. 90% of the time, you can select the major city and find the road you want but sometimes, you have to select the suburb to get the area you want.

Wow, y'all are a little intense on the nav thing. I think I've used mine maybe one time in 4 months for directions. Do you really have to use it in your own city ? I can see when you are in another big city and don't know how to get around using it but not a place I've lived for years.

Yeah, no- absolutely true. No need for it when you are in places you know.

Still trying to understand your reason for posting that, though....

I guess I'm not caught up in the navigation hate.

I can't speak for others, but I used it a lot last Summer driving 11,000 miles throughout the West during a couple of 5 week camping trips last Summer.

This Summer I'm going to use my Garmin instead.

I'm not defending BMW but technology like navigation, back-up camera does not get a lot of R&D in their business model--it's about performance. Lexus, yes, you will get a better navigation. But that's like asking why a Lexus with a great navigation and Mark Levinson sound system doesn't drive like a BMW.

I really think you've hit on the issue here- but it isn't that BMW has made a conscious decision...it is more that as a company they don't value things like Navigation and cupholders. It is a cultural thing... It isn't valued, it doesn't get attention, bad decisions are fine, they farm out project management, they listen to Teleatlas and say "Ya, should be fine... pass the bratwurst"

When you think how bad their nav/eletroncis was back in 2000, they've really improved. Just blew it with the hard drive based map and teleatlas as the vendor. IMO

All they had to do was stick with NavTeq and NOT make a decision to switch to the cheaper TeleAtlas data source. We're not talking big R&D buck here.

FWIW, I downloaded the Nav update from the E90 link, burned an ISO using the disk utilities program built into my Macbook, and swapped it in last night (09 X5d). I had to turn the car off, let it sit for 5 minutes, and restart it, and thereafter, it worked perfectly. There are a ton of new roads in my area that are now listed. Worked great. Thanks for the link!

actually there is 2010 NA ( North America) latest version. and 2011 EU, I read it somewhere where i downloaded mine for the M5

Has anyone noticed the extra disk seeks and spins with the newer 2010 and 2011 map updates? On my X5, it heard more CD spin noise while driving. Has anyone experienced the same?

cloudz

I noticed that when I burned the disc initially at a higher speed and it had errors. You may want to try to burning another copy at a slower speed and maybe a different brand DVD and see if that fixes it. Also I have had an issue with it seeking a lot, and I just ejected the disc and re-inserted it. For whatever reason everything started working smoothly again, so for obvious reasons I would try that first and see if it clears up. I am assuming you are using a burnt copy as opposed to an OEM one.

About the extra spinning ... I have that with the 2009 double layered dvd and remember that the local dealer replaced the dvd player due to issues related to reading these double layered dvds.

I tried another brand of DVD disc this time. This time the disc spins less often than before. It's an improvement for sure but not completely eliminated.

Does anyone know anything about updating the sat nav for the Hard Drive (new iDrive) system? We were in my dad's 2010 X5 this weekend and there were a couple roads missing, namely a few bypasses that actually have been there for a few years. :dunno: (I was driving "in a field")

Yes.

I posted about this in the nav subforum as I recall

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I searched that forum and couldn't find anything about updates for the hard drive (plenty for the DVD versions).

^^ OK, didn't have 'upgrade' in the title...

Here:

http://www.xoutpost.com/electronics/...ion-codes.html

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Yes. You're absolutely correct. Customers are able to update their nav maps themselves. It involves purchasing the media for a small price ... 10 bucks or so. Then purchasing the FSC code. The code is a unique identifier based on your vin #. Its done like that so codes cannot be shared between vehicles.

Codes cost 200 bucks, which essentially is the same Price as the old pre CIC idrive map upgrade costs, and is entered in by the customer.

Cheapest I've seen from a US dealer is $275, FWIW.

Yikes that's completely not worth it then. The X5 is a low-mileage lease and thus my parents don't/can't drive it that far out of town anyway.

Well, I've ALSO seen FSC codes for as low as $100 from eastern european BMW sources.... add a $10 DVD set, and there you go!

GL

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ard,

Have you purchased the code from the eastern european source?

Chuck

Nyet.


I was able to get BMWUSA to honor their written offer of "$200" and will just do that.

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I just purchased an 09 X5 4.8 Xdrive and it did not have a nav disk, can anyone help?

I PM'ed you.

I just purchased a 2008 X5 4.8 Xdrive and it did not have a nav disk, can anyone help? Do I need to update the software and get a new nav disc or does the new nav disc also update the software?

I have a 2009 disc. PM me if interested.

I'd really like to get 2012. Anyone from the west coast that doesn't need their east region 2012 disc want to work something out?

As long as you are sure you have nav, you just need a nav disk.

You can buy a new 2012 DVD (actually there is 1 for East USA and 1 for West USA). You could also buy a used one on eBay or elsewhere (just make sure the seller is reputable and you're getting a OEM version and not a copy) for previous years.

The 2012 hasn't changed much since the 2007 version. It's a little better and has lots of POI (points of interest) updates.

There are new features like red light cameras which weren't available in 2007.

I have an '08 that was manufactured in late '07 and hence came with the '07 DVD.

For those interested, I downloaded the 2010 maps from Demonoid (bittorrent site). There are two DVD images in the torrent. DVD 1 is for East US, and DVD 2 is for West US. I burned it with IMGBurn (pc app) at 2X speed and it's worked without a hitch.

All I wanted was my (newer) neighborhood to be modeled, and the 2010 has it.

Note: This is for the CCC, as no FSC codes are required. Just swap DVDs and away you go.

PM me if you need further info.

EDIT: I just found a torrent on the pirate bay that has the 2011 DVDs for CCC. I'll download them and try them.

EDIT x2: Burned and tried the 2011 DVD for West of Mississippi. Works perfectly.