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MOD220 08-13-2011 10:31 AM

have some basic E70 questions...
 
first off, great forum! so happy to find such a resourceful place filled with X5 enthusiasts! in the market for a newer X5, and have a few basic questions:

1) which models E70 are there?

its my understanding from 2007-2010, there were the choice of:

a) 6 cylinder
b) 8 cylinder
c) turbo diesel

and from 2011-present
a) 6 cylinder turbo
b) 8 cylinder turbo
c) turbo diesel

is that correct?

2) can the NAV system be used while driving? my Lexus requires the car be stopped, which is a deal breaker for me as I'm in outside sales, constantly making changes behind the wheel

3) is the keyless entry such that i never take the key out of my pocket? Lexus has this, my Acura does not, can't stand needing to get key in/out of pocket all day

4) is it worth the extra money for the newer turbos, or is there greater value in the earlier e70's that have been discounted, but less power and lower MPG?

5) does the Dinan chip increase/decrease gas mileage above stock performance? (assuming the car is driven the same of course!)

6) lastly, I just priced a new X50i on BMWUSA.com, fully loaded, $80k sticker, and the quote for a lease was $2500 down, 36 months, @ $576/month, clearly this is an error?


thanks!!

soldmystang 08-13-2011 12:14 PM

i wouldn't suggest a lease if you drive the thing for work. my 2008 4.8 has 77K miles on it. i average 21k miles per year.

Richard in NC 08-13-2011 12:16 PM

I'll answer some of the questions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOD220 (Post 838747)
first off, great forum! so happy to find such a resourceful place filled with X5 enthusiasts! in the market for a newer X5, and have a few basic questions:

1) which models E70 are there?

its my understanding from 2007-2010, there were the choice of:

a) 6 cylinder
b) 8 cylinder
c) turbo diesel

Correct, 3.0i, 4.8i, & 30d, 35d

and from 2011-present
a) 6 cylinder turbo
b) 8 cylinder turbo
c) turbo diesel

is that correct?

Correct 3.5i, 5.0i, and 35d

2) can the NAV system be used while driving? my Lexus requires the car be stopped, which is a deal breaker for me as I'm in outside sales, constantly making changes behind the wheel

Yes, not too difficult but still a challenge when driving. The new iDrive (2011 & up) helps.

3) is the keyless entry such that i never take the key out of my pocket? Lexus has this, my Acura does not, can't stand needing to get key in/out of pocket all day

Correct but optional. Comfort Access

4) is it worth the extra money for the newer turbos, or is there greater value in the earlier e70's that have been discounted, but less power and lower MPG?

In my opinion. The new 8sp is great. My 50i gets 20mpg, a 48i maybe 16.

5) does the Dinan chip increase/decrease gas mileage above stock performance? (assuming the car is driven the same of course!)

Try a search

6) lastly, I just priced a new X50i on BMWUSA.com, fully loaded, $80k sticker, and the quote for a lease was $2500 down, 36 months, @ $576/month, clearly this is an error?

Sounds low unless you have a big trade equity.

thanks!!


MOD220 08-13-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldmystang (Post 838763)
i wouldn't suggest a lease if you drive the thing for work. my 2008 4.8 has 77K miles on it. i average 21k miles per year.

25-30k miles a year on a Lease may be a pricey option, no?

soldmystang 08-13-2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOD220 (Post 838766)
25-30k miles a year on a Lease may be a pricey option, no?


i don't lease as a rule but i would guess you would pay thru the nose for that kind of mileage.


what is this "Owners Choice" finance option i see on the website now?

jeremym 08-13-2011 11:11 PM

To comment on Richard in NC's reply...

I have a 2007 4.8i and I can get about 20mpg on the highway. Not sure where he got the 16 figure from. :confused:

Around town, though, she gulps gasoline.

BGM 08-13-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremym (Post 838833)
To comment on Richard in NC's reply...

I have a 2007 4.8i and I can get about 20mpg on the highway. Not sure where he got the 16 figure from. :confused:

Around town, though, she gulps gasoline.

Yeah I get about 21 MPG Highway--around town not sure I guess 15 MPG. My '01 X5 3.0 got pretty much the same on highway but city slightly better. But the trade-off to hear the 4.8 exhaust note is worth it.

MOD220 08-13-2011 11:19 PM

Why aren't used 50i's I'm finding CPO? They just offer remainder of factory warranty?

BGM 08-14-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOD220 (Post 838835)
Why aren't used 50i's I'm finding CPO? They just offer remainder of factory warranty?

If it has less than 10K miles on it I believe they don't CPO them (or some low mileage amount) and maybe a combination of how many months old. Also, a a lot of CPO cars that are only 1 or 2 years old are when the dealer "buys" them back from BMWFS when they come off of their lease --they agree to buy it for X amount from BMWFS and then they CPO it (has to meet tire tread mins, etc), Mine was a lease return in Los Angeles with only 16K miles on it and 2 years old--they bought it back from BMWFS for $44K, went through the CPO process (had to put $2500 tires on it as well) and I bought it for $48K.

jeremym 08-14-2011 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGM (Post 838841)
If it has less than 10K miles on it I believe they don't CPO them (or some low mileage amount) and maybe a combination of how many months old. Also, a a lot of CPO cars that are only 1 or 2 years old are when the dealer "buys" them back from BMWFS when they come off of their lease --they agree to buy it for X amount from BMWFS and then they CPO it (has to meet tire tread mins, etc), Mine was a lease return in Los Angeles with only 16K miles on it and 2 years old--they bought it back from BMWFS for $44K, went through the CPO process (had to put $2500 tires on it as well) and I bought it for $48K.

That's not too bad of a deal. $4k+tax+fees markup for a CPO'ed truck on new rubber? I'd do it. :thumbup:

MOD220 08-14-2011 10:11 AM

So I'm kind of a tight spot. I only want the TTnengine so I'm looking at a 2011 model, but none of them are CPO? Seems silly I can buy a car a year older and get a warranty twice as long....guess I'll just have to wait for 50is to CPO, or I guess get an extended warranty? What is the cost of 100k factory warranty add on?

soldmystang 08-14-2011 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOD220 (Post 838870)
So I'm kind of a tight spot. I only want the TTnengine so I'm looking at a 2011 model, but none of them are CPO? Seems silly I can buy a car a year older and get a warranty twice as long....guess I'll just have to wait for 50is to CPO, or I guess get an extended warranty? What is the cost of 100k factory warranty add on?

it can vary widely. mine was $3800, which i believe is on the high side.

MOD220 08-14-2011 11:52 AM

Adaptive drive seems hard to find on used models, is it possibly built into another package or is it just not that popular?

Active steering, some like it, some don't, any opinions?

Re: sport package, I drive long distances and some have said to avoid sport suspension, any opinion? With that, how many cars have sport package but delete suspension?

Richard in NC 08-14-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOD220 (Post 838882)
Adaptive drive seems hard to find on used models, is it possibly built into another package or is it just not that popular?

Active steering, some like it, some don't, any opinions?

Re: sport package, I drive long distances and some have said to avoid sport suspension, any opinion? With that, how many cars have sport package but delete suspension?

Adaptive drive is included with MSport, at least on 2011 models.
I have Active Steering as well. It makes a big difference parking, especially with 19" or 20" wheels. I also like the quick easy steering in the twisties and have enough road feel as well.

I have no issues with MSport and 19s for long trips. Not uncomfortable at all.
I just did two 1000 mile round trips this past month.

BGM 08-15-2011 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremym (Post 838851)
That's not too bad of a deal. $4k+tax+fees markup for a CPO'ed truck on new rubber? I'd do it. :thumbup:

Yeah and it stickered for $75K new. And I still only have 25K miles on it and it's 3 years old this month (was a late '08 model with an in-service date of Aug '08 so longer factory warranty and CPO warranty compared to most '08's).

MOD220 08-15-2011 12:23 PM

found a private party X5 a few miles from my home. fully loaded but has the rear-dvd set up, which I've heard nothing but bad things about it. I hear it gets in the way all the time, and to be honest, think it looks pretty cheesy in an $80k car. is this removable?

also, a dealer told me they could CPO a car they have for sale for $2,200, can I buy private party and then CPO the car? I put 25-30k miles a year on the car, definitely worth $2,200 for the longer warranty.


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