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jayjay_dee 05-14-2012 05:31 PM

Recall Letter - Diesel (09, 10, 11)
 
I received a recall letter from BMW this morning, its related to EGR (?) or something.

Anybody else got the letter?

alexmish 05-14-2012 07:21 PM

Got it too!

Interesting that I already had a number of related components replaced earlier this year. Taking it for service in a month, will see if anything extra/additional needs to be done.

4MoJoe 05-14-2012 10:15 PM

I got mine today as well. Yippee - not.

ard 05-15-2012 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexmish (Post 878076)
Got it too!

Interesting that I already had a number of related components replaced earlier this year. Taking it for service in a month, will see if anything extra/additional needs to be done.

FYI- Previously I had a bunch of stuff done to fix multiple failures...ultimately BMW issued a recall that duplicated the fixes that were done on my car. However, I still got a recall notice and they had to go ahead and redo it all...just no mechanism for them to look at thay level of detail: here is the recall; here are the VINS affected; we must do Procedure A on VIN list B.

GL

A

Kief 05-15-2012 07:20 AM

Received mine yesterday...

alexmish 05-15-2012 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ard (Post 878123)
FYI- Previously I had a bunch of stuff done to fix multiple failures...ultimately BMW issued a recall that duplicated the fixes that were done on my car. However, I still got a recall notice and they had to go ahead and redo it all...just no mechanism for them to look at thay level of detail: here is the recall; here are the VINS affected; we must do Procedure A on VIN list B.

GL

A

Figured... Although my parts are relatively "new" and proven to work so far (5000 miles and counting)... Concerned that they might swap them for less reliable ones ;)

I wonder if they just replace them with parts just as bad (i.e. will need replacement again), or with improved ones - similar to what was known as HPFP failures on N52 engines.

AzNMpower32 05-15-2012 08:09 PM

My dad got a notice, about 2 days after he dropped the car off for service because his SES light was illuminated.......AGAIN (it's a Monday car, no doubt). No idea if the recall issue is what tripped the light in the first place, and although I'm sort of interested to see if it's the same issue, it's not my vehicle so I'm not gonna dig into it.

alvam 05-15-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexmish (Post 878150)
Figured... Although my parts are relatively "new" and proven to work so far (5000 miles and counting)... Concerned that they might swap them for less reliable ones ;)

I wonder if they just replace them with parts just as bad (i.e. will need replacement again), or with improved ones - similar to what was known as HPFP failures on N52 engines.

Got mine yesterday as well and agree with your comments on potentially replacing with lesser quality parts. No issues so far and just had regular service som I may just wait as long as I can before taking it in for this.

jayjay_dee 05-15-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvam (Post 878229)
Got mine yesterday as well and agree with your comments on potentially replacing with lesser quality parts.

Lol, really? hahaha....

I might bring in my X5 as early as next week as i also have the DEF warning on, 'No start in 900 miles'...

Diesel Guy 05-16-2012 01:55 PM

Recall - programming
 
I was in last week for scheduled oil/DEF service and they indicated that a reprogramming was required....didn't mention it as a recall. It was to take 4+ hours to do, yet I couldn't wait.......scheduled to take back tomorrow AM.....

Will post what they did......I've already had EGR cooler replaced.....

Edge647 05-17-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Guy (Post 878313)
I was in last week for scheduled oil/DEF service and they indicated that a reprogramming was required....didn't mention it as a recall.

Same thing happened to me.

The timing was OK with me so I left it with them...when I picked it up, the rep then mentioned the parts that were changed.

All was good before...let's see how it goes now :confused:

SWIPE421 05-18-2012 12:38 AM

No letter, but I had scheduled service this past Tuesday (15). The SA advised me that there were 2 recalls, the first one was a software reflash, the second required Overnighting parts from MA to Utah for a EGR valve, some kind of exhaust valve/emissions fix. Part came in this AM and a 4.5 hr software update and it's done now.
I'm picking it up tomorrow 'cause I had not planned on the extra days. It was going in for it's first oil change (May 2011 build).
And I had them check on a BMW apps, but my build isn't compatible.
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I'll keep you posted if I notice anything.
ANybody know what triggered the TSB ?

Whizzo 05-20-2012 12:42 PM

Yes, our dealer here in Germany noted this recall last week, to add to the service list when he installs the OEM hitch.

ard 05-20-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWIPE421 (Post 878500)
ANybody know what triggered the TSB ?

:bustingup: :bustingup:


You're new, so I won't beat you up...

There are MANY posts, here and out xoutpost.com about the various "diesel emissions issues" since 2009. Not massive, but sporadic and continuing. Some have had no issues, some many... But it has taken BMW ~3 years to figure this one out....there have been interim service bulletins, recalls, fixes,etc

Anyway, we are waiting for the text of this actual SB to know what is being done (not the text in the recall notice, but the actual work instructions to the dealer)...then we will know what REALLY is being fixed!

A

AzNMpower32 05-20-2012 11:03 PM

I was visiting my parents this weekend and took a look at the services performed. The SES light triggered earlier this month was indeed related to the recall, so half a dozen parts were replaced and the vehicle was reprogrammed. Two day repair.

To make things slightly more irritating, they replaced the (good, factory supplied brand) wiper blades I had bought for him with the not-so-good blades without my father requesting it, so that was like, $25 down the drain. Oh, and as an added measure of incompetence, they installed them on the wrong sides- I pointed out that the driver blade had been installed on the pass side, and vice versa.

jimbopa 05-22-2012 08:07 PM

Anyone have the change yet? Notice any mileage differences? ECM "changes" especially for "emissions" reasons always worry me

wickedwyrm 05-23-2012 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbopa (Post 879077)
Anyone have the change yet? Notice any mileage differences? ECM "changes" especially for "emissions" reasons always worry me

+1 I have the same concerns

AzNMpower32 05-23-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbopa (Post 879077)
Anyone have the change yet? Notice any mileage differences? ECM "changes" especially for "emissions" reasons always worry me

Too soon to definitively tell. I noticed an increase (10-15%) in fuel consumption when I drove it on the highway. Although there was a short stretch of congestion, I drove approx 80km on I-95 when I visited my parents last weekend and achieved only a 9,1 l/100km average. Previously on the same stretch, I'd been getting closer to 7.9 - 8 l/100km.

Time will tell I guess.

Gadgets4U 05-23-2012 04:01 PM

Is someone able to scan and upload the letter as a link? I'm due to collect my " new" 2009 X5 on Sunday and would like to make sure the dealer has done the work before I collect it.

darkside4.8 05-23-2012 04:15 PM

if its the one i was thinking of and just got done it involved replacing a cat or something and some reprograming. had my egr cooler replaced as well at that time.

AzNMpower32 05-24-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadgets4U (Post 879206)
Is someone able to scan and upload the letter as a link? I'm due to collect my " new" 2009 X5 on Sunday and would like to make sure the dealer has done the work before I collect it.

Vehicles sold outside the US and Canada do not have this system and thus are not affected by the recall.

4MoJoe 05-30-2012 10:28 AM

Update for me; I had the recall performed last Friday. Since then the X5 seems more snappy and willing to take off (of course not before the throttle lag kicks you in the pants from a dead stop) not sure if it's related to the fact it was all reset and new software and parts (shrug). Its' driving behavior hasn't changed since Friday and when I take off from lights I keep leaving others in the dust - it just pulls away much faster than I remember.

I'm watching my mileage again and for the last 5 days the OBC shows 21.5 (I know it's not most scientific but generally it matches what I get when I calculate it out).

AzNMpower32 05-30-2012 02:01 PM

I was in touch with my mother again today. Ordered new shoes for her 325i sport.

She tells me that the X5 continues to be rejected from emissions testing because not all the OBD-II criteria are ready for testing, supposedly related to insufficient drive cycles but obviously this isn't the root cause for my parents' vehicle as it's logged hundreds of miles since the recall was performed.

Ideas on how to proceed? "Drive it more" from the dealership is clearly not the solution and they're not even sure why the various monitors are not ready for testing.

(She did get a 30-day extension of the vehicle registration so it'll be on the road legally for another month)

Talonj 07-30-2012 07:10 AM

I'm having the same issue of "Not all OBD-II criteria ready". Will take it back to the dealer this week. Was your issure taken care of? If so, what was the fix? I'd like to tell my service guy where to look.




Quote:

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32 (Post 879957)
I was in touch with my mother again today. Ordered new shoes for her 325i sport.

She tells me that the X5 continues to be rejected from emissions testing because not all the OBD-II criteria are ready for testing, supposedly related to insufficient drive cycles but obviously this isn't the root cause for my parents' vehicle as it's logged hundreds of miles since the recall was performed.

Ideas on how to proceed? "Drive it more" from the dealership is clearly not the solution and they're not even sure why the various monitors are not ready for testing.

(She did get a 30-day extension of the vehicle registration so it'll be on the road legally for another month)


ard 07-30-2012 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32 (Post 879957)
Ideas on how to proceed? "Drive it more" from the dealership is clearly not the solution and they're not even sure why the various monitors are not ready for testing.


I've never had to use this, but there is a published "BMW Drive Cycle" that, purportedly, if you drive this it WILL set all readiness monitors... google.

A

AzNMpower32 08-02-2012 09:33 PM

Eventually, the issue was resolved when I temporarily moved back in with my parents for a few weeks. Basically I beat the snot out of it after it had warmed up and the OBD monitors were ready by the time I drove to the dealership. The service advisor admitted that the emissions control system on the diesels are finicky- he had another customer drive over 3.000mls and even then it wasn't ready for testing. The Drive Cycle doesn't always work either.

Whatever. Just redline the sucker about a dozen times and do some aggressive driving where traffic conditions permit. I did full-on acceleration from 0-130km/h once and then did multiple acceleration runs from 60-120km/h keeping revs above 3000rpm.

Talonj 08-07-2012 03:51 PM

D'OH!
Took it to dealer. Dealer said, "In Texas, inspection stations are only to do a safety inspection; no emission test requied for diesels"

AzNMpower32 08-08-2012 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonj (Post 890178)
D'OH!
Took it to dealer. Dealer said, "In Texas, inspection stations are only to do a safety inspection; no emission test requied for diesels"

That's the way it ought to be. NC is similar, and they recently passed legislation waiving emissions for new petrol cars for the first 3 years. VA also doesn't have emissions but my parents live in one of a few special counties that do.

Safety and Emissions tests are just a money-maker for garages and repair shops and today do very little to improve public safety. New cars just don't break down that frequently anymore so I don't see the point of inspections until 4+ years. That's one redeeming feature of SC- no inspections of anysort at all.


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