Gauging interest: takeoff plate to mount oil separator on 35d
 

As you may have read in my other post (http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...separator.html) I've added an oil separator in my 35d that completely remove the oil from the crankcase ventilation system which would otherwise go into the intake: using a Mann+Hummel Provent 200 the oil mist carried by the fumes is separated out and drained back into the sump; the fumes continue to go through the intake. You can read all about it there.

Since I've had some people showing interest in take off plate shown therein, I figured I start up a new discussion to count interest and see if it makes sense to run a batch.

I'm not interest at all in commercializing this product; I have no financial gain from this and all proceeds would go to the fabricator to cover his cost. He may make a profit, and that would be my way to thank him from making my plate. The ultimate decision on whether or not run a batch will be made by the fabricator.

You will get a piece like the one in the picture below: the CNC machined plate with the elbow TIG welded. The shape of the plate is the result of laser scanning the original BMW PCV and it is CNC machine. High quality and perfect fit. It will be natural aluminum and will not include any of the other things I've documented in my post. The price is $150.

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If there is an interest for the plate only without the elbow, the cost would be $100. People should consider the plate without the elbow if they want to investigate other possible locations of the separator that may require a different orientation of the elbow. 335d owner should also consider this as I'm not sure whether the same positioning of the ProVent is possible in the 335d. If you go with the plate only, this is what you'll get:

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1) josiahg52 (2)
2) bawareca (2)
3) ard
4) FredoinSF (Bimmefest - E70)
5) lpcapial
6) remlemasi (E90Forum)

Total 8

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I'm interested and I will buy more than one if it will jump start this project.

^^^ Me too.

I am interested.

To pull along the project, I think there will be people that are confused by development part of your prior posts...in the end it will be relatively straightforward. Maybe a 'Final DIY' or 'Final parts list' would help? Trying to address the "If I spend $150, whats all the other stuff cost?!?" question.

How long til ECS offers a kit for $495?

;)

Maybe offer it in different colors of powdercoat too?


(last part is j/k)

ard all your points are extremely valid is someone would be doing this in the context of a commercial enterprise (a rather small one if you ask me).

The is not my intent: I have no interest in selling this, or making money out of it, making a kit, answering question from customers, writing instruction, getting sued because you power brake stopped functioning. I'm not interesting in any of that.

I had [or rather had the perception] of a problem and addressed it. As I thought about what I perceived as to be a problem, I realized others may think they have the same problem I do so I documented my work. Form the understanding the developments in the CCV system of the M57, to the first concept all the way to the current. I took pictures, because I keep a log of all my mods and projects, and shared them because the cost is negligeble and it would boost my ego. I organized them to give my take on how to address what I thought was a hurdle: either the bracket or the positioning and so forth.

In the process my project got the attention of someone who also has a 35d but has access to advanced machining equipment. I mailed him the CCV I removed from my car and that how the nice looking plate came from. He machined one for himself and made one for me in the process as a sign of gratitude for sending him my CCV.

The bottom line is this: people can read what I did, if they like it I may (MAY, not sure yet) be able to put them in contact with the supplier of the plate... But that's as far as it goes. You'll have to figure the rest of it by yourself. If you can't figure it out, then you're SOL.

ECS can knock themselves over to develop a kit: if their dipstick, bracket and hoses look better than mine I may even buy them; the only thing is I'd be a little bummed if Burger develops one, just cuz they're probably gonna be mating it with their shitty ass flashy catch can and someone will say the system doesn't work. But they may also anodize the plate red...

For me, the game is not worth the candle...

Btw, if you want to, you can take a look at the time I added an oil cooler to my supercharged Z3 1.9... I had to relocate the whole oil filter: that's actually where I got the idea of a take off plate: http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...ses-being-made

YOU should not need to put any more effort...

If WE want to see this project pulled forward, maybe one of us will repackage your efforts and make it easier. That's all Im saying.

(Been in a similar boat on an item on the E39M5 a few years ago- lining up machining, quotes, commitments, etc, etc. Total PITA.)

Re-reading my comments I can see it being interpreted the as a critique of this 'offering' or opportunity. It most certainly is not.

BTW, looks like that oil filter bracket could lift the car. ;)

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Ahahahah... By all mean if anyone is interested in taking this to next level, I'm an open book

Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a "package" here. All I want is the plate with the elbow on it. From there I can either follow what was already done or go a slightly different route. If someone has already discussed its construction with a fabricator and they can do it then why wouldn't I take advantage of that? If all that comes from this thread is contact information for the fabricator, I will be happy.

Very interested. I noticed a gummy, tarry carbon buildup (CBU) on the EGR valve on my 35D when I was doing a thermostat change a few weeks ago. Cleaned it up fairly easily, but it makes me concerned that if my EGR valve has CBU then the intake manifold and valves may not be far behind. In the next few weeks I plan to investigate how much CBU I have. If it's significant then I'd put in a system like this to attempt to prevent further CBU. I know that CBU is thought to be less common on the 35ds as opposed to the 335ds, but I'd still like to do all I can to minimize the problem.

I think my car had roughly 70K when I checked the intake. I was due for an oil change and decided to get a bottle of Liqui Moly Diesel Intake Cleaner (Buy Liqui Moly Diesel Intake System Cleaner (400 ml) - LM5168 by Liqui Moly | Europa Parts).

To gain access I had to remove the EGR valve and the throttle plate. Fired up the car but without the EGR valve it was way too loud to keep it running at the 2K RPM required and I didn't want to smell all the soot and exhaust. It takes a good 30 minutes to empty out the bottle.

I then went ahead and reinstalled the EGR valve, but left the connector unplugged to the valve would stay close. Much better.

Anyway... If you ever remove the EGR to clean it you will notice that the intake side is gummy, tarry, oily gunk. The opposite side (before the valve, where it connects to the cooler) it has soot but it's a thin layer that wipes clean with your finger.

That's how I got to think that all the CBU you read it is not because the EGR is a crappy system. The crappy system is the CCV that lets all that oil through which then mixes with the soot from the EGR and makes a mess. You may have seen how much oil I collected in the first 2,000 miles when I was draining it.

I did recently removed the charge pipe but I couldn't get a clear view of the EGR since the stiffening bar is in the way, but I went in with my finger and it's clean and dry to the touch.

Next oil change I plan to grab another bottle of the Liqui Moly and clean it again. The stuff melts the tar away; it did on the EGR when I sprayed it on it, so it probably did something in the intake and valves.

And don't pay attention to all the non sense you read about chunks getting loose or clogging up the DPF.
I had the DIS running while doing it and the DPF pressure was totally unaffected. 20K miles after my DPF is still totally fine.
And as far as chunks coming loose that also is nonesense: the spray comes out very slow (like I said, took me 30 minutes to empty the bottle) it does not penetrating but slowly melts away the tar from the surface down.
All those who say this nonesense are people who have never seen the tar in the intake and don't know how stubborn that stuff is.

Does that stuff do magic? Probably not. Will this remove tar 1 inch thick? No. Will it melt some off? Perhaps. Did it clean my EGR? Yes. I made it part of my maintenance routine.

That's a long preamble, but that's sort of why I got here.

Late to the party, my apologies. I've had my 35d a couple of weeks now.

I had a VW TDI which intake manifold was changed for a clean one at ~75K and EGR duty cycle minimized in software. There after I learned to drive it like I stole it.

Are there any developments? I would be interested in a rather complete kit, living as I do on a small remote island.

I have been studying the Advanced BMW Diesel Technology Workbook to see that the crankcase vent blow by pipe is OBD monitored, but that a oil fog separator ought to be able to be inserted in the blow-by pipe before the intake air. Then I remembered this more mature project.

Interested. Still putting together a buy?

I'm also interested!

Very interested as well. Maybe we can get Ninja to do another batch and break up the costs?

I'd be in, too.

Interested as well!

Interested.

Wanted to bump this thread. Maybe a little more interest??

Any update on this?
I am interested.

I have one valve cover PCV plate if someone is interested.

kiril - sent you a pm

PM sent as well.

Anyone still making these? Looking for one or two.
Thanks.

BUMP - I’m extremely interested in buying a take off plate!

Best, Matt

Im interested...
 

Are these still available?

Are these aluminum plates still available ? I'm interested..., pleeeease

Amazing old fashioned ingenuity, gorgeous and functional.
I just cleaned the CBU and this would be a very welcome mod. I'd like one, please tell me this is still on offer. Many thanks in advance.

Matt Whitbread at Whitbread Performance is making these now. CNC'd solid aluminum with AN fittings and what not. Just add the breather and you're set.

Not a bad price for what appears to be a very lovely machined piece. Includes a reverse drill bit and new screws.