What about X7???
 

Guys Guys Guys! Where is the full size X7????

We all know that BMW fleet is mainly 3,5, and 7 we have the X3, X5, so where is the X7? I can't believe they did the X6 before the X7, knowing that the 6 of BMW is the big coupe sub-category, which is not as widespread as the big 7... even more, they created the 1 series just a couple of years ago, which was not that successful (for what i know) and here they are now talking about X1!! it doesn't make sense! and they talk about the V or F (whatever)... come on, it's time for a full size SUV to beat the s**t out of escalade, armada, tahoe, chevy/GMC EXT, etc... can you imagine the beast that it would be? oh my god!!! all SUVs will drop on their knees seeing it nearby...

They increased the size of X5 (E70) to make it seven seater.. wrong! keep it a five seater mid size, and create the big full-size X7... IMHO

My guess is the "mkt demand" for a longer, bigger X, here in the US or in
Europa, is slim to none and Slim is on the bus. Those full size SUVs you
ref'd aren't exactly flying off the lots.
GL,mD

As mD said, I cannot think of many people who'd want an X7. The X5 is already too big.

BMW admitted they canceled the project about 2 years ago... Didn't see significant demand.

Too many SUV/SAV's by BMW up to date. They should change their name to BLR (Bavaria Land Rover)...

Project was canceled.

On this site, that comment is Blasphemous

So There Is no X7 ..?

+1 I want to see a X7, would love to see a 3rd row that adults could fit in!

BMW has no answer to MB's GL. This is unacceptable. I want a X7.

Agreed. The GL does pretty well for MB, i wonder why BMW hasnt done that yet. I bet theyre avoiding getting the soccer moms into their dealerships haha

Since the X5 is struggling to sell ~25k units this year, why would you
think/want BMW to slice that niche mkt further, by pumping out an "X7"?

Do you feel there is really a crowd clamoring for a van sized $80G+
soccer mom/dad car? The X3, the X6, the coming X1; they are all
nibbling at BMW's own "suv brand", imo. Just wondering...

It's really dumb to make the X5 hover somewhere between mid-size and 7 seater... the X5 should have remained a mid size sporty vehicle, and X7 should have been created to seat 7.

BMW was trying to "inflate" the X5 to make it 2 in 1 (mid AND large), but what they actually did was losing the 2!!! What we have now is no more the sporty midsized SAV that we all loved, and at the same time it's not the soccer mom/dad 7 seater!! very stupid strategy, and that's exactly why, dear MD, the X5 is struggling!! IT LOST ITS PERSONALITY

nothing can be changed now, but they should have left the X5 as is, and went for an X7. it would have been muuuuuuuuuuch more intelligent thatncreating this X1... what the hell is an X1??? it was historically known that you have a mini SUV (X3), mid-size (X5), and large (missing!!)... the coupe SUV was introduced by infinity, so BMW created the X6, fine! but what is this X1??? and X7 would have filled the missing part in BMW arsenal, but what did they do? they tried to reposition the X5 (they killed it in that!) and created an X1 that has absolutely no personality!! is it a mini-mini-SUV? who will buy it? X3 is small enough!

It's a mess... a mess!!

BMW should have stuck to making the X3 and X5, and made the X7 available in limited quantaties... Just my $.02

I have to agree with most of the people who are pro-X7. I had an e70 X5, and it was good, but limited in some respects. We are now considering a GL 350, and really don't want to jump over to MB. However, the GL has the right amount of size and features. The cargo space is great, power third seats makes life easy, which with kids is nice, or if loading things that require more room.

I think that BMW is really underestimating their potential market, as they have many positives going for them...excellent diesel engine, 4yr/50K mile warranty, excellent handling dynamics, excellent (new) iDrive system. The SUV/SAV market is on the upswing, as judged by my conversations with both BMW and MB dealers. The BMW dealers cannot keep the X5 35d's in stock, and MB can't keep the ML/GL diesels in stock.

I really wish that BMW would reconsider their decision on this issue. In many ways, the diesel engine helps to obviate many of the concerns over the gas guzzler image associated with these vehicles. Can you imagine if they were able to come to market with a diesel and diesel hybrid engine?

Well, looks like I am going to go shake hands with the devil...lol. GL 350 on the way.

:confused:

That's his opinion. Next X3 is growing in size. Watch out for 2014 MY X5.

Is it true that the next X3 will be similar to E53 size? If it is, then the MY14 X5 should be a true 7 seater, no?

Getting very close.

X3 had to grow as X1 is out now. BMW is positioning X5 as the family crossover/SUV people mover.

:iagree:

Bigger is not better

But should it not be an option for those that want it? MB has already shown that the concept works and, one have to asume, is profitable. I would like to see what BMW could come up with for a large SUV.

2011 X3 has grown in size and I see next gen X5 growing in size. ;)

Yes and bigger is not better.

Not flying off the lot?
 

I see MB GL450s everywhere, and this is in Mid Missouri! I'm sure an X7 would be a hit here in the U.S.A.

X5's don't sell because all the bean counters are too busy satisfying the stock holders instead of making a reliable product. Its enough that BMW wants $80k for an X6, but god only knows what theyde want for an X7. Before anyone throws the reliability card about an X5 or petential X7 against say a Denali, I'd suggest spending more time reading these forums before saying American cars are garbage. They may not be as taught in the handling department, but who cares when it spends a better part of its life @ the dealership/indy.

I would rather own a Bimmer in the shop than a GM SUV that was available to drive. Just me, but there is a huge difference between the two. Apples and oranges...

Good to hear the Denali's have satisfied customers. But before
one throws the unreliability card around about an X5 it might be
better to check with the majority of the population who don't
have problems and don't complain. Then add to that the fact
that the X can out perform a Denali on any given day and the
argument becomes moot... :D

Touche gentleman. I wasn't using the Denali as a concrete example, even though I looked @ a few of those before I chose the X. My point is that people always use the "you get what you pay for" mantra whe they talk about BMW's, but its a disheartening when I read (im a member of like 15 forums, all models) about new and close to new Bimmers being in the shop for anything from light switches to fuel pumps and being turned away from the dealerships. There is even a thread on here about BMW's and their built quality turning into a complete failure...and sadly its true. Ironically, the choice for me to get the X5 over the Denali wasn't performance, handing, etc but more that after it being the 3rd BMW in my stable is that I simply knew what I was getting myself into w/ another M62, or another BMW in general.

I understood where you were coming from.
I was just burning a fire on your lawn to get attention.
Everyones dream car turns into a nightmare once in
a while so "PLEASE" don't wake me and remind me of the inevitable.......;)

Last I heard GM wasn't having a problem filling it's service/repair bays? :dunno:

All cars have their problems. I would bet the farm there are plenty of "poor GM build quality" threads on the internet. I will say that the more complex BMW's do have some issues, but it could also have something to do with all the electrical and mechanical gizmos packed into the mid and higher level BMW's compared to a Trailblazer or something. The more parts/systems on a car, the more likely there is to be an issue.

You're missing my point. Brand new X5's cost $15,000 (guestimating) more than say a Denali XL BMW X5 Compare - Summary - MSN Autos, so all my arguement is that with the BMW's costing so much more, seating less, and lower reliability m(Consumer Reports rate the X5 very poorly), so I doubt there will be a market for an X7.

Actually there are quite a few vehicles that are less reliable
seat less and are more expensive. BMW may be just one of them
But people who buy BMW's already know that and have decided
that what they get in return the handling, power, and the shear
enjoyment of the driving experience makes it worth the money.
These people want more than the low cost reliability of an
appliance to get them from A to B.

You can haul a pack on the back of a Jackass or ride into to
town on thoroughbred. A stallion if you will. Something with
character. None of those things come without drawbacks.
And so it is with BMW's but people keep on buying them.
So I guess BMW costing so much more, seating less,
and lower reliability argument appears to be a wash.

My overpriced thoroughbred(4.4 - stallion if I had the 4.8/M) has diarrhea (oil separator valve), breathing problems (misfire/lean on all cylinders), bad visibility (burnt pixels), the occasional limp (hard shifting and thump when doing Cali stops) and is extremely thirsty (10-12mpg and demands the good stuff). :D

I don't really have these problems, I'm just trying to be funny and really need to goto sleep :wow: Night all.....:yawn:

UGHH denali's. I didnt even bother test driving that hunk all I had to do was peer in the window and see the nav screen that looked like the size of my cell. On top it was 55k. True my x ran up to 62 w boxes ticked but its a 10% premium worth it all day. Plus the seats are huge but somehow uncomfortable. Why do only germans make superb seats? Then try parking that 787 in any reasonable spots. Did I mention I also get a GM discount. Will GM ever make a car I want???Maybe I should ask a clarboyant:dunno:

I agree! My brother had a Yukon and got rid of it within a year. For all that size it was so uncomfortable and impractical. Middle seats were the worse, you rode with your knees by your gut because the floor was so high. Soon after he got rid of it, I purchased a Nissan Armada, now that thing was AMAZING!!! More powerful, better and more comfortable while towing, and a lot more room inside!! Better looking too. It was a lot easier to drive and part, almost forget it was so big because the parking and steering was so easy.
LOVE my X5 though!!!!!!!!!!!!! sacrifice the room any day!!!

Ok, let me get this straight... you say that X1 will be the size of X3, and X3 will be the size of E53, and the X5 is getting bigger... so we will end up having the basic three sizes (small - mid- large) but named X1, X3 and X5 instead of X3, X5 and X7... now that's dumb!! cause that's not in accordance with the BMW 3 5 7 sizing...

It is in accordance with the BMW 1 3 5 sizing though. Wouldn't an X7 be more of a limo bus, instead of just being larger?

Armada's are nice. I sold cars back when those came out, they we're definately fun to drive around in a vehicle that large.

I still think a 1 series of anything just sounds out of the norm. 3 5 7 has been around for years. I'd like to see a lengthened X5/7 in the rear just for the same reason that I bought my 740iL...rear leg room so the kids can't kick my seat :)

:iagree:Absolutely

Besides, and in reply to JCL, The X5 was built upon the 5 series with similar dimensions... but with the new dimensions of the X1 X3 and X5, they do NOT map to the 1 3 5 series in dimensions... they will be much closer to the 3 5 7, but with just the "naming" being shifted downwards... confusing identies for those of us who are systematic in their perception...

Wouldn't it be AMAZING if someone from BMW would pop on here and give an official explanation as to the whys behind the naming of the series of the SAV line up. Why not an X7.

Actually...i'd be a prime candidate for the X7. After a recent addition to my family, i've been looking for a larger (performance-oriented) SUV. IMO, the X5 makes zero sense as a 7-seater. Was previously considering smaller performance SUV/SAV but after the addition, i've been recently looking at G-wagons, GL550, Hummer H2, Audi Q7, Chevy Tahoe, ETC...

BMW X7 would've been perfect.

Hummer? :yikes:

:iagree: It's interior is smaller than X5 e70. If you are talking about the H2 or 4. Well even the original military spec; its only a 4 seater. BMW does need a competitor to GL.

None of those are a *FULL* 7 seater except the Tahoe. And even then, Suburban would be better if you want to utilize all 7 seats.

Yep...thought about it for a quick second.

Good thing it wasn't a full minute....:D

I agree with others. Not many of the vehicles you listed a really great if you need full time 7 seating. If that is the case, you may want to look for a minivan or wait for BMW to come out with one. How many troops do you have?

Minivan?... :bustingup

Never...not my style. No pun to those that do...different strokes i guess. Troops consist of a newborn and dog (second dog being considered). The GL550 would actually fit my circumstances perfectly...the ideal 7 seater would not be a DD but a road trip family hauler and to tow the toys during different seasons.

As much as the X6 has grown on me, imo the X7 makes much more sense...at least in limited numbers. Just hoping it's not off the table completely.

Get an Escalade ESV or a XL Denali. Best option for a 7 seater with luxury and style.

I agree that an X7 would be good, but it would be limited as the price tag would be well over $100k.

+1 for X7

I too am struggle with X5 coz it is simply not really big enough. If the new X5 in 2014 is not any larger than the E70, I think I will jump ship to the dark side AUDI an MB.

Guess what guys......Looks like X7 IS FINALLY COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dancing::dancing:

BMW X7 back on? | Cars UK | UK Car News

BMW X7 back on the table?

I won't hold my breath for it. Just a rumor gone wild. ;)

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...uv-bmw-x7.html

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't BMW make stretched versions of the 5 and 7 series?
Why not a stretched option for the X5? :dunno:
You still may not be able to fit adults in the third row, but at least it would give better leg clearance for adults in the back seats (throw the kids in the 3rd row!:D). Add to that a rear bench (back seats) that can be adjusted/slide back and forth, and you have a much more versatile people hauler.

Rui

I would love to see an X7 also, something like the MB GL size!

Next X5
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...on-thread.html

When my x5 dies in 2 years, then its either an X7, or GL550. Prefer the X7, the 3rd row in the X5 is a joke. Come on BMW!

Sometime competition changes things. The fact that Bentley and Lamborghini are introducing an SUV puts pressure on Rolls Royce. And if there is a RR SUV, then X7 is pretty much given as it will be bigger than X5 and BMW will share share parts/chassis across both SUVs.

http://images.thecarconnection.com/l...00384492_l.jpg
http://strumors.automobilemag.com/fi...ng-623x389.jpg

I know how you feel. My family grew and I had to sell my 2004 X5 for a GL550 for the wife. If they Made an X7 I never would of got the GL. I dont get why Bimmer wont pull the trigger On an X7. Benz cadillac and others are cashing in on full size Suvs. Why not themselves?

Keep you fingers crossed. It may happen soon as we have Maserati, Bentley and Lamborghini in the SUV market, and Rolls may follow as well. Details in this thread

X7 is being given serious consideration by BMW board and will happen. Jaguar is also considering a SUV, combined by the fact there is strong demand for big SUVs in China and US, is increasing the probability for X7 and X8.

BMW Thinks Big – X7… X8… and more! | Motorward

Came across this post. Looks like X7 spy shots here:
BimmerBoost - BimmerBoost spots the 2014 BMW X7 testing

I know this is old and way past due... but I thought it might still be funny.

Yes, a X7 would be big and bulky and would consume a lot of fuel. It is good that there is a lot of liquid Methane on Europa that will help fuel it.

:stickpoke

Based on the BMW naming process, an X7 would undoubtedly be larger than an X5 - but would it be as large as some of you fear it may be? If we look at Audi, for example, doesn't the Q3 compete with the X3 and the Q5 with the X5 and the Q7 with...the X7? I'd assume the X7 would probably be the same size as the Q7 with a 3rd row seat.

I suppose one could say that the X1 competes with the Q3, the X3 with the Q5 and the X5 with the Q7 ... but are those really accurate comparisons? These wouldn't appear to be in the same class. Or would they? Or are they?

Am I wrong about that? Any opinions?

X1 is the same weight as the Q3.

X3 is the same weight as the Q5.

X5 is slightly lighter than the Q7, 2.7" shorter wheelbase.

Those would appear to be the match ups, at least to me.

If one needs a (usefull) seven passenger vehicle from Germany, perhaps a MB Sprinter would be a good choice.

:thumbup:

:iagree:Audi's competition is typically numbered higher than a comparable BMW. I think it is the little brother syndrome. :nanana:

Ah. Thanks for that info. As you can tell, I'm not too familiar with the Audi wheelbases and weights. I always thought the Q3/Tiguan was the X3's rival. Problem solved.

What you say about the Q7 helps get a better grip on the X7. To make a German SUV larger than a Q7 would really be contrary to logic. A car marginally larger than a Q7 would start to get awfully close to Tahoe territory (albeit not quite as tall or as long; but still - the idea of a "good handling" SUV of that size just doesn't make any sense).

I'm with you - if one needs a useful seven-passenger German vehicle, the Sprinter would be the way to go haha. For what it's worth, Sprinters are pretty serious (and capable) machines - especially the ones with the dual real wheel and 4WD setup. There are quite a few privateers who have taken dual-rear-wheel/4WD Sprinters as support trucks on the Dakar over the past few years.

That disguise print would look cool on a helmet.

Any updates on the X7, anyone?

Not enough market demand for a larger/heavier SAV then the current X5. BMW cancelled the X7 program years ago.

Current BMW developent is "full court press" on the "i" car program

Yes, but demand in the Chinese market seems to have revived the interest in bigger SUVs and I've read that BMW is seriously considering building the X7 again.

The X7 was first stated to be a 2014 model (BMW has not released any revised release date that I am aware of).

BMW produced a computer generated image of the 2014 X7 (see below, The BMW image is so old it's got the "milk moustache" grille from almost 10yrs ago!).

A few 2014 X5 in cloaking garb were snapped during testing over 2 yrs ago. These "spy shots" were identified as the new X7 by auto mags/autoblogs/autogossip in need of filling pages, they ran with the story "BMW X7 is a go". They usually state something along the lines of "BMW sources close to our mag/autoblog/autogossip say the X7 is a go", Popular Mechanics mag has taken this crap to art form levels, according to them we were supposed to have flying cars over 50 yrs ago.

Where have you been reading that BMW is "considering building the X7"? I think you may be drinking the autogossip coolaid.

That is not a BMW generated image. That is a very old photochop by some chopper from previous gen 6 series and pre LCI E90 3-series time.

The X7 will be based off the 2015 G11 7-series which in turn will have the Gran Lusso coupe elements. Below is the latest CGI by Autobild who writes that it will come in 2018

It's official:

BMW makes X7 in Spartanburg official - Autoblog

The official press release thread is located here--> http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ansion-x7.html

Spy Shots, CGIs and Discussions follow Thread here