Anyone running Atturo AZ 800 tyres?

[chivas]

Originally Posted by Dking078

PO put them on my 4.8is, If they weren't new and the car was driven more, I would have tossed them immediately and get Conti DWS. Atturo's are the Nosiest tire on the face of this Earth, I wish they didn't make them in this size!

I didn't even bother with wearing mine down. I replaced the with Nitto Invo's and have noticed not only less noise but better wet grip in my 4.6is.

[Skier1]

Originally Posted by TiAgX5

Not to mention the fact that most "summer only" tires carry a "AA" wet grip rating, while most "all season" tires are a lower "A" rating.

The argument could also be made that controlled response is paramount during emergency situations (accident avoidance), the cheap tires have never performed well in tire tests in this regard.

The "The Directional tread pattern and aggressive sidewall style demonstrate the performance engineering beneath the surface" comment in the opening of the manufacturers tire description reminds me of the comment in the tire C&D tire review, "a complete tire design involves more than just a tread pattern, because the L688’s V-shaped layout is essentially a copy of Yokohama’s AVS Sport tire". The AVS finished 6th in the review, and didn't need to be rounded up to avoid a neg score.

Also, top performance tires don't need to cost $600 each, Hamman uses Vredestein Ultrac Vorti's (killer wet/dry warm weather grip) on their current ///M5 & ///M6s, these can be purchased for around $250 each.

I grabbed a staggered set for under $1100.

OK for a 315 35 20 Vredestein your looking at $463 Aus plus postage from the US which would be pretty dam close to $600 Aus . Nobody in Aus stocks them as they are not a well known tyre here.
I can get a full set ok Atturos for the price of one of them.
Its horses for courses , I dont think I really need my X5 to handle like a sportscar , it is a SUV not a M3.

[ants_oz]

Skier,

There's a few other differences that many people don't understand.

Australia has the largest road camber in the developed world. We also have some of (if not THE) worst average road surface in the developed world, with regard to surface imperfections. Then, we have a massive proportion of "coarse chip" road surface, compared to the rest of the developed world.

All these things add up to very, very different driving conditions than people in many other countries may be used to.

What may work perfectly well for a driver in "interstate central" USA, may very well be perfectly UN-suitable for drivers down here.

[Joshdub]

Originally Posted by Skier1

OK for a 315 35 20 Vredestein your looking at $463 Aus plus postage from the US which would be pretty dam close to $600 Aus . Nobody in Aus stocks them as they are not a well known tyre here.
I can get a full set ok Atturos for the price of one of them.
Its horses for courses , I dont think I really need my X5 to handle like a sportscar , it is a SUV not a M3.

Don't be so daft. You don't need those specific tires, they are just an example. And no one is saying it needs to handle like a sports car, just it needs to have good tires with average stopping and handling characteristics. Not below average as tested. Here are some middle of the road tires in 315/35R20 Kumho ECSTA X3 KL17 315/35R20 106W Tyres - Buy Online $391

[ants_oz]

"As tested" by who? Which authoritative organisation has undertaken a comprehensive test of ANY recent Chinese tyres - not a single car and driver test from 6 years ago...? 6 years. Is it not beyond the realms of possibility that things may have changed since then, or must we all still rely on the same old Internet "truths" for eternity?

[Joshdub]

Originally Posted by ants_oz

What may work perfectly well for a driver in "interstate central" USA, may very well be perfectly UN-suitable for drivers down here.

You vastly overestimate the condition of US roads. In fact, the roads in Seattle would be improved if they were returned to dirt.

[ants_oz]

Originally Posted by Joshdub

You vastly overestimate the condition of US roads. In fact, the roads in Seattle would be improved if they were returned to dirt.

I was offering an example - and like all examples, there are exceptions. Would you prefer I offered the example of suburban Seattle as compared to say - the Birdsville Track?

There are some inescapable facts here - Australia is roughly the size of the Continental USA. Yet we have a road network paid for by a population of ~23 million people. We do not have good roads.

No, I don't know what the road conditions are like in the USA, but the fact remains - what might work for person A in country B, will not necessarily be the right solution for person C in country D.

That is the message, whether you like to accept it or not.

[Joshdub]

Originally Posted by ants_oz

I was offering an example - and like all examples, there are exceptions. Would you prefer I offered the example of suburban Seattle as compared to say - the Birdsville Track?

There are some inescapable facts here - Australia is roughly the size of the Continental USA. Yet we have a road network paid for by a population of ~23 million people. We do not have good roads.

No, I don't know what the road conditions are like in the USA, but the fact remains - what might work for person A in country B, will not necessarily be the right solution for person C in country D.

That is the message, whether you like to accept it or not.

Seattle, a large metropolitan area in the US with the likelihood of having the revenue to maintain its infrastructure. Birdsville track, bumfuck Australia with zero likelihood of having any revenue for infrastructure. Outstanding comparison. Both Newcastle and Seattle have pavement and interstates. Physics aren't going to change based on where you are located on the planet. If you lived in Boliva or Uganda I could see there being a difference in tire choice, as dirt may be more common. But be realistic, you are trying to claim a difference between two metropolitan areas.

[Skier1]

Originally Posted by Joshdub

Don't be so daft. You don't need those specific tires, they are just an example. And no one is saying it needs to handle like a sports car, just it needs to have good tires with average stopping and handling characteristics. Not below average as tested. Here are some middle of the road tires in 315/35R20 Kumho ECSTA X3 KL17 315/35R20 106W Tyres - Buy Online $391

I realise they were an example and I was giving a example of what they are worth in Aus.
I ran them exact Kumho tyres last time before I replaced with Atturos , cost $285 Aus each and really the only difference I can find is as stated ,the Atturos are a little bit noisy , possibly the same noise as the Kumhos got when fairly worn.
Atturos are made in Taiwan , the Kumhos are made in South Korea. Neither are actually made in China.

[ants_oz]

Yes, I am claiming a difference. Because if you bothered to read my previous comments, you would understand that Australia has the largest average road camber in the developed world, and also the largest percentage of coarse chip road surface in the developed world.

In case you missed the irony (as is apparent) my previous "comparison" was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Few other problems with your comparison. Seattle is cold. And gets snow. Newcastle just gets farking hot and occasionally humid. Newcastle gets storm in summer but is hardly known for its damp climate, with rainfall spread roughly evenly throughout the year, whereas I understand Seattle's rainfall is largely concentrated over a few short months.

It is clear to me there are many differences in climate between the two places, let alone what I know of road conditions in my previous home state.

I'll say it again - the solution for one person might not be the solution for another.