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Am I crazy if I buy an x5 v8 with high mileage?
I actually like both these cars for different reasons. BMW for driving experience and Land Rover for rugged and maybe more luxury. If I get the X5 I want a V8. The newer the better 2004 to 2008. I realize even with proper maintenance these vehicles can get squirrelly. At 150-200k anything and everything can go south and quick. I am not shy on doing my own work. I am not sure I have the tools for the heavy stuff. As a secondary vehicle I just need it to be reliable enough. Forums by design highlight what wrong with things. My biggest question is what is the general opinion on year and which model V8. I get he n62 vs m62 and see it discussed. I am going to assume all 3 (4.4, 4.6, 4.8) will have push enough. Years to avoid or features, packages to get or not. I will look for the best I can get in terms of condition and service. Thanks in advance |
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I can tell you that my X5 is a 2005 4.8iS full option and it is great but....
You will find that the late 04 to mid 06 4.8 n62 can be a PITA for "certain" issues popping up. I still wouldn't want lamb roller unless it was an old defender 90 (last LR you could fix with gum and baling wire) Go with the X but check these posts to lessen your chances of putting some mechanic's kid through an Ivy League school. https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...e53-today.html
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It would have scared me a year ago but after dealing heads and doing a full vanos/timing chain swap on the M62, it wouldn't scare me. The cars I've helped with have been M62 but I've also worked on N62: that one would be more work with the far more complicated valve train to work on.
The M62 is a fun engine to work on *almost everything is very well designed for repair. *The exhaust manifold nuts are stupid difficult to get to and the coolant crossover is blocked by the heater core valves other than that it's very straight forward stuff just follow the steps like a giant Lego toy. The problem with the age is two fold; worn vanos and "Bavarian roulette" with the timing chain guides. Having worked on 4-5 M62 with blown timing chains/guides here's what I've learned: The guides get brittle from age and heat: they will work perfectly well up to over 200,000 miles some times—until they don't: my theory is that once brittle you hit a strong bump that the weight of the chain will pull the chain off the guide and then "slap" back onto the guide causing a piece to break off. Depending where that piece breaks it will cascade fail quite quickly from that point especially if it compromised the oil supply. Once the first part fails it needs immediate attention: if the chain derails you go from a relatively simple chain guides replacement to pulling heads and replacing valves. It's twice the work and 50-100% additional cost. (DIY cost): either job is not worth shop costs. It's about $1000-1200 including parts and tools to do the timing chain job including vanos refurbish tool which is amazing. It takes me a better part of a week to do the job but I've heard of a pair of guys doing in a weekend. I have a pair of E53 '01. I've been looking into trading one 3.0 in for a V8 model to bump the power but would like to find something closer to 120,000 miles.
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The N62 has a horrible quirk that may also exist on M62: the alternator bracket has a $3 "o-ring" (shaped like Micky mouse) that takes about 4 hours to replace and is no fun. When it blows it will squirt oil as fast as you can pour out of a bottle (literally not an exaggeration). It can be DIY and you should be prepared for that to happen on >150k miles. If I bought one older than 150 I would change preemptively. The one I helped replace was hard as clay.
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Eodguy, how many miles? If you don't mind me asking, how many miles did you buy it and how long ago?
I love all the fan boy haterade. I bet the Land Rover peeps have cute catch phrases for you guys as well. I guess the funny part is the years you discussed, 04-06, didn't BMW own lr? Also didn't it use the 4.4 BMW engine and doesn't BMW have parts/tech taken from lr? It's one of the reasons I will probably go X5. I am hoping to gain all the BMW driving experience, handling and giddy up, and also have enough walnuts to handle off-road if needed. |
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Andrewynn,
I am not sure which part your selling. N62 or m62, also you state you have 2 e53 3.0 and maybe looking for a V8 but offering knowledge on the day of the V8. When and if I get a particular model, I will be looking for all those tips like Mickey's o ring. I bet there are many. I have an 89 mustang many years ago. Back then(maybe they still do) I bought many mustang mags and did 100 different things to it. Some big and many small. No forums like this then and I have done the forum thing on many of my other vehicles. Knowledge is King. |
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Below is a repost of all my data, apparently I have the only White 4.8iS on the forum (so far). I am the 3rd owner and got it about 5 months ago for $4,000 USD but after complete suspension, brakes, headlights and all filters/fluids, etc. I'm at around $9,200 USD including the car as of last week.
193,486 km VIN: WBAFA91025LD77347 Type code: FA91 Model: X5 4.8IS (EUR) E-F-R series: E53d Series: X Type: All-Road Steering: LL Doors: 5 Engine: N62/S Displacement: 4.80 Power: 265 (360 hp) Drive: ALLR Transmission: AUT Paint code: 490 - SONDERLACKIERUNG Upholstery code: V9GE - EXCLUSIVLEDER WA Prod.date: 2005-01-13 S2KD BMW light alloy wheel, V-spoke 168 S4NA Interior mirror with digital compass S9AA Outer skin protection S205 Automatic transmission S216 HYDRO STEERING-SERVOTRONIC S221 2-axle self-levelling suspension S226 Sports suspension settings S249 Multifunction f steering wheel S255 Sports leather steering wheel S261 Side airbags for rear passengers S302 Alarm system S321 Exterior parts in vehicle colour S328 Footplate, aluminium S352 Insulating double-glazing S358 Climate comfort windscreen S386 Roof railing S402 Panorama glass roof S412 Luggage-compartment floor, extendable S413 Luggage compartment net S417 Roller sun visor, rear door S423 Floor mats, velours S428 Warning triangle and first aid kit S430 Interior/outside mirror with auto dip S437 Fine wood trim S441 Smoker package S442 Drink holder S456 Comfort seat with memory S459 El. front seat adjustment w. memory S461 Electric seat backrest adjustment, rear S494 Seat heating driver/passenger S502 Headlight cleaning system S508 Park Distance Control (PDC) S521 Rain sensor S522 Xenon Light S524 Adaptive Headlights S533 Air conditioning, rear S534 Automatic air conditioning S548 Kilometre speedo S601 TV function S609 Navigation system, Professional S612 BMW Assist S620 Voice control S638 Car telephone Professional S672 CD changer for 6 CDs S677 HiFi system Professional DSP S775 Headlining anthracite S785 White direction indicator lights S818 Battery master switch L822 GULF VERSION S823 Hot-climate version S825 Radio control Oceania S840 High speed synchronisation S845 Acoustic fasten seat belt reminder S853 Language version, English S861 Data record without EOBD S864 Dealer List Overseas S876 Radio frequency 315 MHz S880 Operating instructions, English S887 Operating instructions, Arabic S925 Dispatch protection pack S938 Individual series S993 model year code in VIN
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I can only speak to the M62. I bought my 4.6 almost 2 years ago with 133k has 140k now. Obviously not my daily but I work on this more than I do my jeep that I drive every day. Truthfully, a reliable secondary vehicle isn't a BMW or LR, if you want that get a Toyota, honda.
You will almost have to fix stuff right off the bat. I've had to replace battery, tires, coils, valve cover gaskets, tranny service, spark plugs and a bunch of other random things. I will eventually do timing chain, tranny rebuild and t case if I decided to keep it. hint hint I know someone selling one.... Issues M62 timing chain guides N62 Valve stems Pick your poison, I'd rather deal with a M62 personally. Both can and will have tranny issues. 00-03 can also have issues with the transfer case. Don't think 04+ had the same problem. Yes, the 4.4 was used in LR and other parts as well big difference is the Brits sucks at electronics. What I will say is the thing is a BLAST to drive. As much as it will piss me off sometimes the torque is fn addicting. I knew going into X ownership it would be a labor of love or deep pockets. I think as you are prepared to tackle the big issues, either DIY or paying ALOT, I'd look for something else.
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I Think smokeyyank summarized it at best. I too have a 4.6is and love it but its the only BMW that I have had that has required so much attention. I do all the work myself which cuts down on the repair costs. If you want a reliable vehicle for the off road and scouts then go with the Toyota.
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I am 100% aware of more reliable and cheaper to fix vehicles. My question isn't about apples to apples vehicle comparison, except within the v8 x5. In other words. 4.4, 4.6 4.8. including n62/m62 and year. I understand this may be subjective from a forum/diy point of view. I am ultimately getting one of them (x5, lr rr, lr lr3 maybe a toureag). I am looking at these vehicles because of there stellar track record for longevity and thriftiness. I have considered the acura, volvo, infinity, porsche, even mazda suvs. I currently own a mercedes r350 2008. I was warned off it, for cost of ownership and its been great. I did the brakes and oil changes. many light bulbs and the only issue was the fan belt that blew up when a pully failed (100% my fault because I could hear it going and didnt replace fast enough). I tried to get a bmw x5 when we got the r350. Its my wifes car and she choose the r350.
Of course I would prefer to buy one for $3000 and have it last 2-3 years( better description then mileage because i wont put much on) without major issues. I am more realistic then that. At this point I am just looking to try and avoid as much as I can. I see one listed that says valve cover gasket replaced, window regular and ac blower. 4.4 2005 143k. when and if i drive it I want to have as much info as possible to ask and review. So keep it coming. and thanks. |
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