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Old 02-13-2019, 11:04 PM
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Driving in snow/ice praise

Just wanted to divert from my usual questions and problems that I ask of you guys and heap some praise on the X5. I drove on icy/snowy roads for 100s of miles in sub-freezing temperatures this past weekend, and the 18 year old car showed no signs of any misbehavior. It was the first time I have taken it on ice, and it handled marvelously with normal highway tires, no chains.

For any other first timers, stopping on ice was the hardest part. It took probably double the distance, and don't be startled when the ABS kicks in. Just remember to take things slower than you would normally. Thick snow was a walk in the park and slushy ice sometimes would give an inch or two sideways motion but the X5 always recovered smoothly and virtually instantly. Of course driving a good 10-20 below the posted speed when visibility was poor also helped make for a smooth journey too.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:15 AM
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With all due respect, all-season tires are not safe to drive in snow and ice. There's nothing about the X5 that makes it somehow able to surpass the traction of its tires. Especially the early X5s which have plain old AWD with no limited slip or electronic differentials. It might as well be a lifted AWD 5 series.



I'm wondering what kind of tires you really have. Often with SUVs, you might have "all terrain" tires which are not true snow tires but often have the severe snow rating. Off road tires share many characteristics with snow tires. Often times tire shops will have them in our sizes. They can also be driven on year round, which makes them very appealing.



If not, good job for making your trip safely. But please understand that SUVs with AWD aren't magically safer than any other car driving in snow and ice on all season tires. You're slightly less likely to get stuck, but no better at stopping or turning.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:58 PM
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That was dangerous. You may survive on light snow and ice with some all-season tires such as Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06, but for the sake of your own safety and other road users, please use dedicated snow tires during snow and ice conditions, 4WD or not.
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With all due respect, all-season tires are not safe to drive in snow and ice. There's nothing about the X5 that makes it somehow able to surpass the traction of its tires. Especially the early X5s which have plain old AWD with no limited slip or electronic differentials. It might as well be a lifted AWD 5 series.



I'm wondering what kind of tires you really have. Often with SUVs, you might have "all terrain" tires which are not true snow tires but often have the severe snow rating. Off road tires share many characteristics with snow tires. Often times tire shops will have them in our sizes. They can also be driven on year round, which makes them very appealing.

The Touring had a set of SNOW Tires on it.



If not, good job for making your trip safely. But please understand that SUVs with AWD aren't magically safer than any other car driving in snow and ice on all season tires. You're slightly less likely to get stuck, but no better at stopping or turning.
I remember driving back from Wisconsin after a weekend of skiing. We drove up there in my BMW E34 Touring which is a rear wheel drive 5 series station wagon. Recall seeing all the AWD and 4 wheel drive vehicle that had slid off the road because they were driving too fast for condition and probably because they thought that because they had AWD or 4 wheel drive they could still drive as fast as they wanted.
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Yep... too many people think that they can just buy a crossover with AWD and be able to drive on their all season tires in any conditions. I live in the PNW and this sort of thinking is rampant, especially in the Willamette valley and western Washington, where people dont have to deal with snow often. But I recently moved to a mountain town with a lot of snow, and about 80% of people here understand that that logic is bogus. The only cars you ever see here without snow tires are crossovers.

I've had studless tires for all my cars for about 6-7 years, even though most of that time I lived in an area without much snow. I prefer having summer tires for the extra grip in the summer anyways. But my X came with some Toyo Wild Country tires, which I drive on year round, and do pretty well in the snow. Not quite as good as a true studless snow tire, but still much better than an all season. I do prefer my Mazda6 on its Hakkas in the snow, to be perfectly honest.
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Well I can put some useful info into this but it has to do with the 2005 with xdrive and the e70 with xdrive.

When we had our last real snow (the one where the tree was so snowed over I couldn't tell it was blown over and pointed straight at my front windshield and busted the windshield if anyone remembers those posts) the xdrive with all season tires never had any issues with the ice or the snow. I actually used it to pull a Toyota 4wd truck out of a section of a parking lot and he had very aggressive tires but was just sitting there and spinning. The xdrive had no issues at all pulling into where he was stuck and pulling him out. If fact I parked where he was stuck to go into the store to get my carton of cigs

I have owned around 12 or so 4wd trucks and the xdrive has impressed the CRAP out of me. I have had the right front tire off the ground and the left rear tire off the ground at the same time and it just paused a second and went on.

That said my 2001 x5 is pathetic in comparison at the moment. I wouldn't trust that thing to handle pine straw on the ground if it was built up any under trees.

But in its defense the abs isn't working on it. The way it is right now the drivers side front tire and one of the rear tires (cant tell which one) loves to spin and when they do it just sits there.

But again the abs isn't working. Once that's fixed I will have a better idea of what it can do.

But as for snow/ice at least with the xdrive it was amazing. I never had any issues with it going where others were getting stuck right and left. Would snow tires of done better? Maybe but I never had a situation where I thought to myself "damn I wish I had snow tires for this". I did hear the abs a few times while coming to a stop at stop signs and red lights. Never felt the car getting out of control just the noise of the abs doing its thing so something slid somewhere.

To me the real test of awd and 4wd is mud. Ice is bad but snow isn't as bad a problem moving wise as clay mud. Nothing is slicker than that stuff. THATS what really makes the xdrive shine around here the most.

I run cooper ultra cs5 tires on the 2005 x5 and pirelli verde scorpion all season run flats on the e70.

Both had done great for me in the mud/snow/ice.
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