I cant believe the 4.8is market can be this bad.....

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by MSHax

Clockwork, it’s sad, My friend picked me up a few months ago and he had crap on his windshield, I said “man, why don’t you turn your wipers on once in a while and clean that stuff off” his reply made me laugh because I thought he was joking “yeah...I’m out of washer fluid, gotta take it in and have that refilled” after I had a good laugh I realized he was being serious.

I literally just said"phucking wow" in public by mistake after reading this. But this is the norm for a lot of ppl

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[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Dking078

To a degree yes! But low end cars haven't gotten THAT bad. Mostly driver aid stuff is what drives up COO and insurance, a bit of a balance of scales action with high volume of new tech vs cost.

To that though, the luxury segment has most definitely blown up in COO. Simple repairs are over complicated since X is attached to Y under Z inside of Q. Dam turbos.

OEM Brake job on a 540 E39? Not bad.
OEM Brake job on a 550 F10? Oh boy.

At the same time though, the 4.6/4.8 market is strangely.... empty.
Seems either A) most just keep their car since values regrettably suck (and genuinely like it or B) Dumps and long haul sales for high prices.

Collectible SUVs are out there, but it doesn't seem to have hit the E53. As most of these we driven to/past 100k. More so for the later X5M.

Valid points for sure. But even simple coverage for an unmarried male under 25 years old is exorbitant. When I was 22 I had a 2001 mustang GT and paid more in insurance than the car payment. $500+/MO! For 3 years! I know that's a sports car... but before that I had a few older BMW's '83 5 series and '92 3 series and it was still expensive. A bit cheaper because those were still on my parent's policy, but I remember being glad they were paying it for me. When I got the mustang... they said I was responsible for insuring it.

Not sure if the 4.6/4.8 will hit collectible status in our lifetimes. Might not even hit real enthusiast status. I can't think of an SUV that really has.

[Attacking Mid]

I think I found the eBay listing. I will offer this.... this listing is not enticing at all. As someone who has bought a car on eBay previously, I want a few paragraphs telling me about the vehicle, its history, its issues, its good/bad points, etc. This listing just gives the basics along with a few pictures. Perhaps its a temporary problem, but the "big" pictures are just a big black column when I looked at it a few minutes ago.

I buy on eBay frequently and sell a little also, and IMHO, your ad isn't helping you any. I've definitely seen worse, but I've seen much better.

Lastly, Florida is probably not a great location to be selling this vehicle. We have TONS of X5's here in the Rockies. I would drive something else if I lived in FL.

AM.

AM.

[crystalworks]

^All the pictures show up for me in Firefox. It does look like a nice, clean example of a 4.8is. Problem most 4.8is buyers have is that it's at a dealer, and one that has questionable reviews. Again, I don't know them from Adam so they could be completely unwarranted. It just doesn't look great to a potential buyer of a 4.8 in particular. No "warm and fuzzies" if you will.

Couple that with the various parts/systems that like to see failures around the 132,000 listed mileage, and you get a 4.8 that sits around on the lot. That's just the current situation of the 4.8 market. 4.4's and 3.0's sell all day long at "buy here, pay here" lots because the buyers don't have options. They then get repo'd when the failures start to overwhelm the owner and they stop paying on the truck.

[Fifty150hs]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Valid points for sure. But even simple coverage for an unmarried male under 25 years old is exorbitant. When I was 22 I had a 2001 mustang GT and paid more in insurance than the car payment. $500+/MO! For 3 years! I know that's a sports car... but before that I had a few older BMW's '83 5 series and '92 3 series and it was still expensive. A bit cheaper because those were still on my parent's policy, but I remember being glad they were paying it for me. When I got the mustang... they said I was responsible for insuring it.

Not sure if the 4.6/4.8 will hit collectible status in our lifetimes. Might not even hit real enthusiast status. I can't think of an SUV that really has.

One only need look at accident rates for males under 25 to understand why the insurance rates are so high. They crash cars at a ridiculous rate. Chalk it up to testosterone poisoning.

[Davelaz23]

Wow I hope I don’t have too hard of a time selling my estoril blue 4.6 when I’m ready

[X5only]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Another sad fact is cars are selling less and less as months go by because kids growing up these days do not buy cars anymore but rather just use ride share programs.
And as for a 15 year old vehicle... More owners are not DIY people anymore. More are "bring it to a mech for a R&R job" and that scares buyers as there is a general rumor that Bimmers are costly out of warranty (as any vehicle could, depending on repairs needed)

So it may not be the vehicle itself but the age, buyer numbers and rumor mill about repair costs


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The clothing business is suffering the same from the rise of clothing rentals among the millennials and is worth $2 billion +. Why fill up the wardrobe with clothes you wear a few times a year when you can rent the same for a few? They're delivered right at your door and smell and feel like new but won by a few others.

[Fifty150hs]

Originally Posted by X5only

The clothing business is suffering the same from the rise of clothing rentals among the millennials and is worth $2 billion +. Why fill up the wardrobe with clothes you wear a few times a year when you can rent the same for a few? They're delivered right at your door and smell and feel like new but won by a few others.

WTF? I'm not wearing clothes some stranger wore. Yuck.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Fifty150hs

WTF? I'm not wearing clothes some stranger wore. Yuck.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Fifty150hs

One only need look at accident rates for males under 25 to understand why the insurance rates are so high. They crash cars at a ridiculous rate. Chalk it up to testosterone poisoning.

Oh for sure, I wasn't taking the position that young men shouldn't be charged more. Just maybe not that much more. Was just illustrating the point that insuring a young driver is expensive and adds to the cost of owning/operating a vehicle. Especially a fun one.

[Anhelenuk]

At 28 years old I leased a civic and my insurance was more then car payment. That’s with clean record and a safety course as well as being licensed to drive since 17 years old. This just gives companies excuse to rip you off as much as they can. As far as his ad, it’s not presented well or even to the right audience on top of being sold by a dealer.