I cant believe the 4.8is market can be this bad.....

[BimmerBreaker]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Not sure if the 4.6/4.8 will hit collectible status in our lifetimes. Might not even hit real enthusiast status. I can't think of an SUV that really has.

I believe they will be collectible someday, that's not why I own mine, but historically its the cars you dont expect to be collectible that do become so. Especially with the recent insurgence of powerful SUVs... theres historical precedence with the 4.8is, its the fastest of the first generation of "Fast SUVs" - it is to the X5M what the M535 was to the M5. And M535i's are quite collectible now.

I would also argue the X5M is already at enthusiast status now. I drove one the other day and have to say, I was quite enthusiastic about it! But seriously, there does seem to be a dedicated following to those vehicles.

Mind you, I'm under 30 so may have a different perspective than some of you guys. But I'm also a diehard BMW guy who has been in the Z3 world for 10+ years, so I've seen the zeitgeist in that community (coupes in particular) shift from that of a community on the fringe of the enthusiast world, asking "who would like these cars other than us?" to now asking "is my car worth 100K yet?"

I think whether a car becomes collectible largely rests on it's merits and it's place in the marketplace. The X5 4.8is is a truly phenomenal automobile. I've ran a BMW shop since so had the privilege of driving and working on a lot of BMWs. The 4.8is shares a spirit with the E39 M5 - it's right in that perfect sweet spot between new and old, analog and digital. New enough to be relevant, comfortable, and durable - old enough to be nice to drive, truly luxurious and encapsulating a spirit all it's own. And as I touched on earlier, it ushered in the era of super SUVs which we are still seeing grow and unfold.

[Happy]

The good thing about owning a manual in Houston, is theft prevention.

On the news awhile back some car jackers, they were millennials, were baffled why the car would not drive.

Puwahahaha....!

[Attacking Mid]

I think I found the eBay listing. I will offer this.... this listing is not enticing at all. As someone who has bought a car on eBay previously, I want a few paragraphs telling me about the vehicle, its history, its issues, its good/bad points, etc. This listing just gives the basics along with a few pictures. Perhaps its a temporary problem, but the "big" pictures are just a big black column when I looked at it a few minutes ago.

I buy on eBay frequently and sell a little also, and IMHO, your ad isn't helping you any. I've definitely seen worse, but I've seen much better.

Lastly, Florida is probably not a great location to be selling this vehicle. We have TONS of X5's here in the Rockies. I would drive something else if I lived in FL.

AM.

AM.

[m3j0n]

Originally Posted by Attacking Mid

I think I found the eBay listing. I will offer this.... this listing is not enticing at all. As someone who has bought a car on eBay previously, I want a few paragraphs telling me about the vehicle, its history, its issues, its good/bad points, etc. This listing just gives the basics along with a few pictures. Perhaps its a temporary problem, but the "big" pictures are just a big black column when I looked at it a few minutes ago.

I buy on eBay frequently and sell a little also, and IMHO, your ad isn't helping you any. I've definitely seen worse, but I've seen much better.

Lastly, Florida is probably not a great location to be selling this vehicle. We have TONS of X5's here in the Rockies. I would drive something else if I lived in FL.

AM.

AM.

AM, Im sorry the narrative on the listing wasn't up to your expectations. Since it was an inventory vehicle and not my personal car, I do not have much to say about it other than the facts I listed, which to me, is fairly complete.

I listed All the factory build information with MSRP
BMW service history dating back to its original in-service date
CPO vehicle
100 detailed images
Repair/service History that we performed

I didnt know that I should also have to take the reader down some winding path of vivid imagery to get them aroused of what it is like to drive this car in order to motivate a purchase the car. Anything other than what I included in the ad would be hearsay or fluff as I am not the original owner, which I'm not going to do. If thats something you need in an ebay ad, then there are plenty other dealers out there that have a PhD in Fluff and can tell you anything you want to hear and make hollow guarantees and empty promises. I'm sorry I fell short of your expectations on a car you weren't in the market to buy anyway. Also, I am sorry to all of those that use a browser that is not supported by ebay or my listing software.

Originally Posted by BimmerBreaker

I believe they will be collectible someday, that's not why I own mine, but historically its the cars you dont expect to be collectible that do become so. Especially with the recent insurgence of powerful SUVs... theres historical precedence with the 4.8is, its the fastest of the first generation of "Fast SUVs" - it is to the X5M what the M535 was to the M5. And M535i's are quite collectible now.

I would also argue the X5M is already at enthusiast status now. I drove one the other day and have to say, I was quite enthusiastic about it! But seriously, there does seem to be a dedicated following to those vehicles.

Mind you, I'm under 30 so may have a different perspective than some of you guys. But I'm also a diehard BMW guy who has been in the Z3 world for 10+ years, so I've seen the zeitgeist in that community (coupes in particular) shift from that of a community on the fringe of the enthusiast world, asking "who would like these cars other than us?" to now asking "is my car worth 100K yet?"

I think whether a car becomes collectible largely rests on it's merits and it's place in the marketplace. The X5 4.8is is a truly phenomenal automobile. I've ran a BMW shop since so had the privilege of driving and working on a lot of BMWs. The 4.8is shares a spirit with the E39 M5 - it's right in that perfect sweet spot between new and old, analog and digital. New enough to be relevant, comfortable, and durable - old enough to be nice to drive, truly luxurious and encapsulating a spirit all it's own. And as I touched on earlier, it ushered in the era of super SUVs which we are still seeing grow and unfold.

the buyer got a silly deal on an awesome car. Regardless as to if they become collectibles or not, once I sell my last remaining Lemans Blue on LMB M texture interior car, I will not entertain the idea of ever having another one in inventory.

Originally Posted by ajacks8

Did you really just post this without announcing what it sold for?

Yup. And just if I had sold a car to you, I wouldnt be broadcasting it on the internet. Some people respect the privacy of others. Asking price for the car was $5,699 + dealer fee of $375.

Originally Posted by Fifty150hs

Ya. How much?

Curious as to why that matters to you? Each car will sell for whatever it sells for - whatever the seller is willing to let it go for and whatever the buyer is willing to spend for that particular car at that particular time. The sale on my car has no bearing on the sale of any other car.

[Attacking Mid]

Originally Posted by m3j0n

AM, Im sorry the narrative on the listing wasn't up to your expectations. Since it was an inventory vehicle and not my personal car, I do not have much to say about it other than the facts I listed, which to me, is fairly complete.

I listed All the factory build information with MSRP
BMW service history dating back to its original in-service date
CPO vehicle
100 detailed images
Repair/service History that we performed

I didnt know that I should also have to take the reader down some winding path of vivid imagery to get them aroused of what it is like to drive this car in order to motivate a purchase the car. Anything other than what I included in the ad would be hearsay or fluff as I am not the original owner, which I'm not going to do. If thats something you need in an ebay ad, then there are plenty other dealers out there that have a PhD in Fluff and can tell you anything you want to hear and make hollow guarantees and empty promises. I'm sorry I fell short of your expectations on a car you weren't in the market to buy anyway. Also, I am sorry to all of those that use a browser that is not supported by ebay or my listing software.

Wow! Sorry I offered my feedback. Have a nice life.

AM.

[LVR]

Originally Posted by m3j0n

AM, Im sorry the narrative on the listing wasn't up to your expectations.

I didnt know that I should also have to take the reader down some winding path of vivid imagery to get them aroused of what it is like to drive this car in order to motivate a purchase the car. Anything other than what I included in the ad would be hearsay or fluff as I am not the original owner, which I'm not going to do. If thats something you need in an ebay ad, then there are plenty other dealers out there that have a PhD in Fluff and can tell you anything you want to hear and make hollow guarantees and empty promises. I'm sorry I fell short of your expectations on a car you weren't in the market to buy anyway. Also, I am sorry to all of those that use a browser that is not supported by ebay or my listing software.

Curious as to why that matters to you? Each car will sell for whatever it sells for - whatever the seller is willing to let it go for and whatever the buyer is willing to spend for that particular car at that particular time. The sale on my car has no bearing on the sale of any other car.

Mate at the outset I want to state that I have no skin in this game... however a couple of things stand out...

You've posted a discussion piece in an X5 forum, opined that you've only heard from some flaky douches and then sought comment on your experience. The members here have taken the initiative, reviewed your product and offered constructive feedback on both your advertisement and, the presence of reviews that aren't the best.

Firstly, if you resent the feedback and don't like the responses, perhaps rethink the point of your post.

Secondly, the consistent 'combative' and sarcastic tone from each of your responses suggests to me you've been dealing with the general public too long. You reach for the contemptuous reply far too easily....

Finally, congrats on the sale... it may turn out to have more than one lesson in it....

Cheers

[PropellerHead]

Originally Posted by m3j0n

The sale on my car has no bearing on the sale of any other car.

And yet, your thread title indicates that your struggle is indicative of the whole 4.8is market.

Originally Posted by m3j0n

I cant believe the 4.8is market can be this bad.....

Which is it?

Originally Posted by LVR

Secondly, the consistent 'combative' and sarcastic tone from each of your responses suggests to me you've been dealing with the general public too long. You reach for the contemptuous reply far too easily....

This.

The negativity surrounding this thread is only relevant to the E53 bc the OP wants it to be so. I'd offer my best again, but no community-wide Dixi cup of positive effort will draw out the Sahara Desert of negativity from the OP's own responses to his feedback request.

This was a terrible business decision made worse by person who is clearly frustrated with poor decisions about his inventory. I will offer no concern against the consideration that he's decided the problem isn't him or his inventory, it's the E53, BMW, and everyone else. Selling cars is supposed to be easy, not hard. Why won't BMW make it easy for this businessman?

By refusing to accept his own actions rather than tantrum or take positive action on the discussion here, the OP indicates that his path eluding success begins with entropy. Entropy demands that if the OP does not change, he will go backwards. Exactly like the thread indicates is his current path.

I'd wish the best outcome of course, but I gave up on world peace as a teen.

[m3j0n]

Thank you all for your very constructive feedback.

[crystalworks]

^All the pictures show up for me in Firefox. It does look like a nice, clean example of a 4.8is. Problem most 4.8is buyers have is that it's at a dealer, and one that has questionable reviews. Again, I don't know them from Adam so they could be completely unwarranted. It just doesn't look great to a potential buyer of a 4.8 in particular. No "warm and fuzzies" if you will.

Couple that with the various parts/systems that like to see failures around the 132,000 listed mileage, and you get a 4.8 that sits around on the lot. That's just the current situation of the 4.8 market. 4.4's and 3.0's sell all day long at "buy here, pay here" lots because the buyers don't have options. They then get repo'd when the failures start to overwhelm the owner and they stop paying on the truck.

[Anhelenuk]

At 28 years old I leased a civic and my insurance was more then car payment. That’s with clean record and a safety course as well as being licensed to drive since 17 years old. This just gives companies excuse to rip you off as much as they can. As far as his ad, it’s not presented well or even to the right audience on top of being sold by a dealer.