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Old 06-21-2020, 06:14 AM
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Poorly injector

Hi all,

My X5 e53 3.0d has poorly injector on cylinder 2. (At least i hope thats the case and not compression issues... itís intermittent so there is a high chance that Iím right in my diagnosis.)

Anyways my question is:

Should i attempt cleaning it or just buy reconditioned? Cleaning seems pretty straight forward!

Hoping any of my fellow X5 enthusiast have more experience with this and could share it with me.

Also would you suggest to do anything else whilst at it?

Thanks,

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Old 06-21-2020, 11:05 AM
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If you have a ultrasonic cleaner or know someone who does nearby then I’d give cleaning it a go first. The jetting pattern on modern CR diesel injectors are tiny and prone to getting screwed up so be carful cleaning them. But it won’t make it any worse if it costs you nothing/penny’s then give it a bash! Worst happens you have to get a new/recon one anyway.

I’ve got a cheap Chinese ultrasonic cleaner, was something like £40 off eBay and works a treat for carbs and the injectors off my 535d. But my injectors were working and I just gave them a blast while I had them out. Tbf the ultrasonic did a great job, I just used vinegar/water with some baking soda and it worked a treat.

As for while your in there jobs I would get a intake gasket set and do then while your there as they harden up over the years. They are quite cheap anyway.

Change the glow plugs if you think they need doing. But use a tourqe wrench in reverse as if they don’t move after the specified tourqe just leave them be (they have a habit of shearing off) I managed to change 5/6 on the X5.

I would replace the injector seals while your in there but that’s a matter of course with new ones. But if you do clean and refit the old one just get some new ones.

Last inspect all the vacuum tubing under the manifold if it looks anything other than new just replace it while the manifold is off. I always replace mine with black silicon as it’s material properties are way better than the OE rubber hoses.

Your biggest pain will be getting the bloody thing out. It’s a case of roll the dice and pray that they come out easy! I got 5/6 out easy on the e61 and the last one I ended up with the bonnet off and me on standing on the engine squatting a slide hammer for about an hour!

And don’t look on YouTube! Some people have had managed to lift the car by an injector!!!
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:07 AM
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Oh and just a smear of copper slip on any new glow plug threads and the mating surface of the injector before refitting. Makes life for future you/next owner so much Easier!!
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Have you tried getting a bottle of the RedEX pro stuff? The gold bottle at Halfords. May be worth a shot first? Sling the bottle in with say 1/4 of a tank (25litres left ish)so it’s at a high concentration. Then give it the old Italian tune up down a duel carriage way for 40 mins. That should knock quite a bit of crud off the injectors.

Obviously other makes are avalible Heard good things about Seafoam but that seems to Be for petrol guys who arent having to deal with thick soot,carbon and general filth diesels seem To produce!

May be worth it before fighting with car taking it to bits!
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So you have checked the injector correctional values with diagnostics? If there is a large fluctuation on some injector correctional value it could simply be caused by poor contact on injector connector plug and rectified with new connector pins.

What age E53, M57 or M57N engine?
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Your biggest pain will be getting the bloody thing out. Itís a case of roll the dice and pray that they come out easy! I got 5/6 out easy on the e61 and the last one I ended up with the bonnet off and me on standing on the engine squatting a slide hammer for about an hour!

And donít look on YouTube! Some people have had managed to lift the car by an injector!!!
Those crazy videos must be from the older models (pre 3/2000) where there is no o-ring on the injector body so the injector can badly corrode on the head. I've encountered a few of these and they needed special tools (pull out bed or pull hammer type tool used by impact hammer) to remove. On the injector models with o-ring on the body I have never had any problems. The easiest way is to loosen the injector clamp nuts a few rounds and run engine until the injector "pops out" and starts to leak by. (Engine properly warmed up before procedure.) Then you can lift the injector out just by hand (after intake manifold and fuel line is removed).
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So you have checked the injector correctional values with diagnostics? If there is a large fluctuation on some injector correctional value it could simply be caused by poor contact on injector connector plug and rectified with new connector pins.

What age E53, M57 or M57N engine?
Yeah used ISTA D, fluctuations are intermittent. One time I will start the car and all is good then at so pint misfire kicks in. But alarmist always it starts when I rev the car a bit when stationary and let it drop down to Idle and then it misfires for a shorter or longer bit.
How can I check if the plug is shot?
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Those crazy videos must be from the older models (pre 3/2000) where there is no o-ring on the injector body so the injector can badly corrode on the head. I've encountered a few of these and they needed special tools (pull out bed or pull hammer type tool used by impact hammer) to remove. On the injector models with o-ring on the body I have never had any problems. The easiest way is to loosen the injector clamp nuts a few rounds and run engine until the injector "pops out" and starts to leak by. (Engine properly warmed up before procedure.) Then you can lift the injector out just by hand (after intake manifold and fuel line is removed).
Thatís a cool way of doing it!
Itís injector on cylinder 2 so need to take the intake manifold off...will clean it and replace The seals On it too.

By the way, any idea when to replace glow plugs, was thinking of doing them at the same time but on the other hand car starts beautifully so perhaps there is no point?!
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If you have a ultrasonic cleaner or know someone who does nearby then Iíd give cleaning it a go first. The jetting pattern on modern CR diesel injectors are tiny and prone to getting screwed up so be carful cleaning them. But it wonít make it any worse if it costs you nothing/pennyís then give it a bash! Worst happens you have to get a new/recon one anyway.

Iíve got a cheap Chinese ultrasonic cleaner, was something like £40 off eBay and works a treat for carbs and the injectors off my 535d. But my injectors were working and I just gave them a blast while I had them out. Tbf the ultrasonic did a great job, I just used vinegar/water with some baking soda and it worked a treat.

As for while your in there jobs I would get a intake gasket set and do then while your there as they harden up over the years. They are quite cheap anyway.

Change the glow plugs if you think they need doing. But use a tourqe wrench in reverse as if they donít move after the specified tourqe just leave them be (they have a habit of shearing off) I managed to change 5/6 on the X5.

I would replace the injector seals while your in there but thatís a matter of course with new ones. But if you do clean and refit the old one just get some new ones.

Last inspect all the vacuum tubing under the manifold if it looks anything other than new just replace it while the manifold is off. I always replace mine with black silicon as itís material properties are way better than the OE rubber hoses.

Your biggest pain will be getting the bloody thing out. Itís a case of roll the dice and pray that they come out easy! I got 5/6 out easy on the e61 and the last one I ended up with the bonnet off and me on standing on the engine squatting a slide hammer for about an hour!

And donít look on YouTube! Some people have had managed to lift the car by an injector!!!
Cool info thanks!
Did you use one of those jewellery ultrasonic cleaners?
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Have you tried getting a bottle of the RedEX pro stuff? The gold bottle at Halfords. May be worth a shot first? Sling the bottle in with say 1/4 of a tank (25litres left ish)so itís at a high concentration. Then give it the old Italian tune up down a duel carriage way for 40 mins. That should knock quite a bit of crud off the injectors.

Obviously other makes are avalible Heard good things about Seafoam but that seems to Be for petrol guys who arent having to deal with thick soot,carbon and general filth diesels seem To produce!

May be worth it before fighting with car taking it to bits!
Iíve tried Seafoam, I thought I felt difference initially but when refilled the tank things seemed to slip back to normal.

Car hesitates when want to accelerate quickly much more than it used to as well.
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