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While I agree fluid changes are necessary... I do not agree with having to spend a few hundred to change the fluid on a working transmission, then experiencing a failure and spending a few grand to fix it. Again, matter of opinion. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Completely agree.
But I would respectfully point out that consensus implies a large sample, and you are holding your example out as proof to the contrary, in a case where n=1. I would not expect you to have had a problem after changing your fluid, as more transmission will be fine post fluid change than will fail. But we are discussing the risk of failure, statistically, not whether they will all fail. And on the other side of the coin, you don't know that your transmission wouldn't still be running fine with the original fluid. You spent the money, got no return on that investment, and arguably increased your risk. Is that an investment decision you recommend all should make?
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Likewise I have seen no supporting data anywhere to support this theory. If you've got some hard data I will be happy to take a look at it and reconsider. Until such time all we have are a number of anecdotes that form the "consensus". There could be any number of reasons for why a transmission failed after a fluid change. The most obvious being it was done incorrectly (which could be reason enoug to avoid doing it). It's not uncommon for work to be performed in an incorrect manner with problems as a result. |
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The outstanding question is, didn't you have to replace your own transmission valve body? You posted and described that in some detail back when it happened. I remember the references to your trusted independent mechanic, and a thread about your own transmission fluid change. I can't link to those discussions, because unfortunately the threads were subsequently edited. Perhaps they were leading to reader confusion about coincidences and anecdotes. Any comment?
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With that said I owned two E53 X5's. The first, a 2000 with 85K miles required the valve body to be replaced. The second, a 2001 with 108K miles on it when I purchased it, had ALL the fluids replaced when I purchased it. You can find the first mention of the 2000 issue here: http://www.xoutpost.com/728325-post15.html And the first mention of the 2001 transmission fluid replacement here: http://www.xoutpost.com/756050-post3.html And look...neither of them show as having been edited. |
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The point JCL and I were trying to make was, it IS possible to damage a transmission by doing a fluid exchange. We have seen it happen on the forum and I am sure JCL has seen it during his career personally. The statements you have made pertaining to your tech sound like absolute statements (Fluid changes do not cause transmission failures). And if your tech is saying that, then fine, we would actually love to hear that because it would stop the madness about doing and not doing a change of fluid and will give us a definitive answer. But until you can prove it, then its all relevant. There are forum members that have done a fluid change without any problems. Some have even used fluid that isn't even the spec it calls for and they are still fine. Bust some have had the service done at their shop or at the dealer and they have come back with a trashed tranny. On another note, thats great your tech has had numerous roles, is a shop owner, and is 25+ years in. Thats really great and is probably a wealth of knowledge. But in my honest opinion... the power of the forum is better than any tech on his own. A forum is a collaboration of tried and true methods, fixes, and symptom hunting. I mean there have been countless times when members have come to the forum describing a symptom that their tech or dealer couldn't figure out, and 9 times out of 10 we've come up with the right solution. There is information on here that some dealerships haven't even heard of, "i.e. TSB numbers, tricks, tips, etc" Heck, members have even designed and manufactured their own parts that are better than original. So before regarding information on forums as mere heresay, you might want to add in your own "one hitter quitter" to back up your own claim. JCL and I have seen it many times on the forum here. We've witnessed heated arguments going back and forth between the advantages, disadvantages, turmoils, which fluid to use, etc. Information that you mentioned you have seen. Well, we haven't seen any of yours... Again, not going meaning this to challenge you, or get into an argument, or the flame each other. But... just sayin...
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Say what you will. My participation in this thread was not to argue the merits of changing the transmission fluid or not. It was to state that having a consensus doesn't really mean much without supporting data. After all at one time the consensus was the earth was flat. |
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Ok, seems like we are getting no where. You've made your own claims that a fluid change WILL NOT cause damage to a transmission. And again thats fine. But if you are asking us to prove it, then you will have to as well. Otherwise, again, all heresay. So what I am asking is for your proof. Again, this is supposed to be a discussion and so far, its one sided.
But you'll probably come back and say "I don't need to provide proof" Well, thats fine. Our proof is from members that have explained the situation in detail. Also from techs explaining it in great detail (BMW techs and indy's). So sounds like this thread is dead. You want to provide YOUR proof, we welcome it. If not, then I guess your information is heresay, much like ours.
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