Water Wetter?

[NyMench]

Hey folks......

I am not one for additiaves......but i have an old rover (250K miles) that I use additives to the crank and cooling system.........such as water wetter and restore.....they help alot......

so the question....know that heat is a killer of engines,.....anyone use water wetter in their x's?

[killcrap]

what exactly makes you think the water wetter and any additional additives help alot? are you one to use oil grade specificly made for high milage engines? Nothing, i mean NOTHING aftermarket goes in either of my 5er or Xer. heat is good for engines if you didnt know, overheating is bad.

[JCL]

From memory, isn't Water Wetter a silicone that coats the inside of your cooling system? I wouldn't let it near my vehicles. It is designed to be added to straight water, and it does the same sort of thing that the correct glycol coolant does. It doesn't improve the coolant, because it has a different chemical composition so you won't know how compatible it was until you have a problem. Stay away, far far away. Same with crankcase additives. A good API SM or SL synthetic oil, nothing more.

I also agree with killcrap on the subject of heat. While overheating is bad, heat is a good thing. All of the crankcase ventilation valve problems are fundamentally a problem of insufficient heat.

[NyMench]

I am going to remove this post....i wasn't looking for critics....just for any of those who WERE USING....not advice......

For the record....I have had many BMW's and other cars with rather height millage.... as i said in my origional post....

i have used them and can attest to their benefits......how many can claim they have cars with 250K miles on them....and still runs......and I am not one to support additives.....just looking to see if anyone has used them...other then me...

thanks for your time.....

[Quicksilver]

Ok you asked a question
and I guess you expected a
simple yes or no correct?

How boring that would have been
especially if everyone agreed with
you.

Welcome to the world of differing
non hostile opinions........

Originally Posted by NyMench

I am going to remove this post....i wasn't looking for critics....just for any of those who WERE USING....not advice......

Originally Posted by NyMench

Hey folks......

I am not one for additiaves......but i have an old rover (250K miles) that I use additives to the crank and cooling system.........such as water wetter and restore.....they help alot......

so the question....know that heat is a killer of engines,.....anyone use water wetter in their x's?

[FSETH]

NyMench, I have not used it in my e53, but have used it in e30's and my e36. I know you aren't looking for debate, but on the side of using it here is something that Mark Jon Calabrese wrote in the April 09 issue of Roundel;

Even thought BMW frowns on the use of additives, many people swear by Red Line Water Wetter or some other surfactant. Surfactants can help reduce the amount of air in the cooling system, and also control the amount of foam in the system, reducing harmful cavitation that may occur when you water pump is pumping fluid at a rapid pace. Another benefit of these additives is that they help in the tranmission of heat from the coolant to the radiating surfaces within the radiator. Water Wetter also helps keep the pH of your coolant in check and prevents it from becoming too acidic.

Once again, I have not used it in my e53, but probably wouldn't hesitate. I know a few people who use it in their track cars as well. Shouldn't cause any issues, IMO.

[panzercommander]

in my cooling system i have used and continue to use a table spoon of kerosene. it keeps the system clean. i have done it for 25 yrs. in every thing i own. as far as high mileage oil additives, lucas or stp are dependable brands and i use them routinely at all mileages. others will disagree but i have run several engines over 250,000 miles and they were still going when i parted with them. they may have gone the distance any how. but i do what works for me.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I know a few people who use it in their track cars as well. Shouldn't cause any issues, IMO.

I think there is a time and place to use this product in a modern engine, and it is when you are not able (or don't want) to use glycol antifreeze. Glycol antifreeze handles the issues related to foaming, PH, water pump seal, etc. It doesn't improve heat transfer, but testing available on the web shows that this product doesn't either. Track cars often don't use glycol coolant, and in those cases it makes sense to use this product.

I have actually seen Water Wetter provide benefits. 20 odd years ago, certain direct injection industrial diesels were experiencing failures of the cylinder liners. It was because of much higher cylinder pressures with direct injection over the earlier precombustion chamber models (especially with high ratings, often intermittent ratings or pleasurecraft ratings as opposed to continuous power ratings). The high cylinder pressures led to flexing of the liners, and resultant cavitation behind the liners. That cavitation led to engine failures. Water Wetter reduced surface tension (and thus cavitation) and helped prolong engine life. So, I am not always a skeptic. It is just that that particular problem was related to engine design, not engine age.

[NyMench]

Yes and thank you......I agree that the heat transference was significantly improved as on my old rover. As the seasons change and I sit in NY Traffic.....I was considering using here....on my x. Alas i will await for the car to go out of warranty.....before i add anything..

SORRY to all IF I WAS PISSY BEFORE...

I know that these subject can get easily out of hand on BB...and i was not looking to do that here.

Originally Posted by FSETH

NyMench, I have not used it in my e53, but have used it in e30's and my e36. I know you aren't looking for debate, but on the side of using it here is something that Mark Jon Calabrese wrote in the April 09 issue of Roundel;

Even thought BMW frowns on the use of additives, many people swear by Red Line Water Wetter or some other surfactant. Surfactants can help reduce the amount of air in the cooling system, and also control the amount of foam in the system, reducing harmful cavitation that may occur when you water pump is pumping fluid at a rapid pace. Another benefit of these additives is that they help in the tranmission of heat from the coolant to the radiating surfaces within the radiator. Water Wetter also helps keep the pH of your coolant in check and prevents it from becoming too acidic.

Once again, I have not used it in my e53, but probably wouldn't hesitate. I know a few people who use it in their track cars as well. Shouldn't cause any issues, IMO.

[NyMench]

Kerosene....very interesting.......doe it add to efficiency or as a detergent for the cooling system.

I fear that the head gaskets are beginning to fail as the heat builds up in traffic and under load.
......and would like to prevent a head gasket job....over a entire engine transplant......

Originally Posted by panzercommander

in my cooling system i have used and continue to use a table spoon of kerosene. it keeps the system clean. i have done it for 25 yrs. in every thing i own. as far as high mileage oil additives, lucas or stp are dependable brands and i use them routinely at all mileages. others will disagree but i have run several engines over 250,000 miles and they were still going when i parted with them. they may have gone the distance any how. but i do what works for me.