winter tires?

[upallnight]

Well when you stomp on the gas like that one guy was doing what do you expect? He's one guy that DON'T know how to drive. He did the most damage to his car as well as other people car.

[Helihover]

Originally Posted by upallnight

Well when you stomp on the gas like that one guy was doing what do you expect? He's one guy that DON'T know how to drive. He did the most damage to his car as well as other people car.

So true. This is one thing I don't understand. This is not the first time I've seen someone loose control on the snow, start spinning out, and then decide to punch it. Is there a thought process to this or do people just freak and start stomping on pedals?

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Helihover

So true. This is one thing I don't understand. This is not the first time I've seen someone loose control on the snow, start spinning out, and then decide to punch it. Is there a thought process to this or do people just freak and start stomping on pedals?

Some likely think it will help, others have pedal confusion. When the brake didn't work, they figure they will try the other pedals.

There is a related concept where it does help. With a front wheel drive vehicle, when it breaks loose and you start under steering (usually because of lifting the throttle at the wrong time in the corner) reapplying throttle can in a sense help the car pull you through it. Common on SAABs, Minis, and other rally cars on snow covered roads. This isn't a solution once you are rotating, just once you are plowing ahead. Sliding wheels don't help you turn, but if you get the wheels turning again you can steer, within limits.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by JCL

Some likely think it will help, others have pedal confusion. When the brake didn't work, they figure they will try the other pedals.

There is a related concept where it does help. With a front wheel drive vehicle, when it breaks loose and you start under steering (usually because of lifting the throttle at the wrong time in the corner) reapplying throttle can in a sense help the car pull you through it. Common on SAABs, Minis, and other rally cars on snow covered roads. This isn't a solution once you are rotating, just once you are plowing ahead. Sliding wheels don't help you turn, but if you get the wheels turning again you can steer, within limits.

Drifting is an example of controlling a skid using the go pedal with rear wheel drive.

[JCL]

But with a rear wheel drive vehicle, applying throttle will increase oversteer. Drifters do it for show, but if you are sliding, there are few times you want to apply throttle to regain control. With a front wheel drive vehicle, applying throttle can help regain control and steering, since steering and drive are on the same axle.

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Drifting is an example of controlling a skid using the go pedal with rear wheel drive.

You turn the front wheels in the direction of the skid to control a skid on a rear wheel drive car. The go-pedal only increase the drift if that is what you intent on doing.

[bcredliner]

Often said about inventions-- ones invention will be a repeat or if you don't hurry someone you are completely unaware of is working to prove the same idea.

My perspective of German engineering is somewhat similar to Apple. Apple engineering uses the concept of legos. Until they run out of legos they continue to build on what they have successfully done. Apple engineering is more intuitive and generally less complex than perceived. When complex it is best that it is.

When the bulk of the advertising budget is dedicated to brand awareness it is the early stages of a new product introduction, the company, or when entering a new market.

As quickly as reasonable the budget will shift to brand image priorities, a business plan market share goal will most often trigger that shift. While market share is the key measure meant of success, brand image is the critical issue to staying power, profit and the overall value of the brand. Coca-Cola is the most valuable worldwide brand. Continuing on the Business week list Toyoto is 7, Mercedes is 10 and BMW is 15th.

While brand positioning advertising contributes to brand awareness, product consistent with the brand positioning is the key component of ongoing expansion of brand awareness. We can all think of a reason why Cola-Cola, Microsoft, IBM and GE fall before any automaker.

While BMW is 15th, the key performance measurement is how the brand is trending. As for BMW the brand awareness has improved 15% since 2005. Doesn't sound like much but every point is priceless. During the same period Coca-Cola was down 1, Microsoft -5, IBM +5, GE +4. As far as automakers, Toyoto was +5, Mercedes +9.

For ongoing success the product must contribute to the brand image, the key to BMW is contribution to the driving machine positioning. Certainly durability and reliability are a key element to that mission. Whatever negatives we have about the BMW brand, the rest of the world believes BMW brand is more valuable than it was in 2005.

[TiAgX5]

As soon as the fire truck arrived on site and moron driver blocked the iced intersection I KNEW the video would show multiple cars plow into it. What was that driver thinking?

With the light rain here in TX (50/60 deg temps), we have had 3 hwys closed in the past 24hrs (ALL multi-vehicle wrecks, at least 2 18 wheelers involved in each pile-up!). Hwy 30 at Bass Pro is currently TOTALLY closed (BOTH DIRECTIONS), 16 vehicles involved!

Would rather deal with iced roads (leave the X garaged and drive a beater/battlewagon with crash bar bumpers) then the jackass pickup/18 wheeler drivers doing 90 mph on wet TX roads.

[TiAgX5]

Most drivers in the vid were sliding hown the hill brakes LOCKED. ABS was fooled into thinking the vehicles were stationary yet all 4 wheels were sliding.

Drivers need to learn that in order to re-activate ABS function, the brakes MUST be released for an instant so the ABS system gets a signal from pulse sensor/starwheel and "sees" wheel rotation.

[bcredliner]

As far as I can see I can get more out of analyzing dog crap that has been there so long it is white than I can either of the videos.

Obviously, the Portland video has 16,000 views and has been out there 7 years because it is is one of those---come here you have to see this, it unbelievable. It's Portland, the average snow fall is about 6 inches. No one has enough winter drive time to be good at it. It was a steep hill that even people could not stand up on. It was so slick and so long there were no curling brooms needed ahead to assure a landslide of even cars going slowly. A clear indication they had no idea what they were doing is that they started down the hill in the first place, not noticing cars everywhere, people in the street and 4 way flashers going. It's a small street lined with houses, most of them had to know the hill was there and if they had any sense they would have gone another route, or pray tell, stopped before the hill. There had to be someone they drove around to get on the giant slalom mountain, I can hear them-s$$t, get outa my way you pus#$ies, learn to drive or get the hell off the road.

Any driver that got through the Wisconsin pileup without a scratch has won the office pool so many times they're not invited to participate anymore. The key to getting through the obstacle course was being at the appropriate speed though in this case you became another target. Obviously, from the number of vehicles that seemed to be going so fast, the pace of the majority of the traffic had been much fasteer for some time. The visibility must have been restricted by blowing snow or by a hill. Somebody on the afterburner could have started the junkyard but my money is on somebody that is hunched over the wheel, their head can't be seen over the headrest, their knuckles are white, they are frozen in place, they don't appear to be conscious, they are wearing those wrap around dark plastic sunglasses, they are going 30 in the left lane with their right blinker on and they don't seem to hear you honking or flashing your lights or yelling, get the f%$k out of the way before you cause an accident.

In either case, if anyone can tell what tires are on any vehicle you can see an Eagle before it sees you.