SOLVED - Mid will not power after re-locating

[TerminatorX5]

radio is part of the CD slot that you have... if only thing you did was extend the wires, everything should work... something shorted... hard to tell what...

[e30cabrio]

My MID is in my glovebox & the Professional CD unit is DSP amp adjacent. I have full function using factory amp & speakers with my APPRADIO 3.

First I'd check all fuses, (there is one on the back of the CD unit) if all are good make sure the extended wires are properly connected to the proper wire on both sides.

I did mine one at a time to avoid mixing them up and had no trouble.

[bugbyte]

I did the following but it didn't helped:
1. Disconnected battery for 30 minutes.
2. Checked the 10 amps fuse in the back of the business cd and it is fine.
3. Read Radio Module using INPA - Found with all the info
4. Read Mid Module using INPA - No module found.

Looked like the 5 wires connected to the MID also connected to the business CD. I think some how the MID didn't get the power. I will trace the 5 wires that connecting to the MID and see where they end up.

Thank you for all the helps and suggestions.

[bugbyte]

I also noticed every time I push the power button (volume control knob) I heard noises in the business cd, sound like it powering up for about 5 seconds, same as when turn the key off.

[TerminatorX5]

have you checked fuse 75? that fuse feeds directly to the MID... it is coming to pin 2 of the MID...

pin 1 is ground, probably working as you get the lights up (LCM feeds to pin 3)...

Below is from the WDS -

Multi-information display (MID)

The multi-information display (MID ) represents an integrated display and operating unit for the audio system, telephone, clock and the on-board computer. The MID only indicates existing information and transfers button signals to connected communication devices. Some calculations are not carried out by the MID .

The main functions of these devices can be operated and indicated from the MID . Secondary functions of the connected communication devices can be set on the devices themselves. The secondary functions of the audio system are, for example, controlled from the radio operating panel which is located behind a hinged panel.

The communication devices are connected to each other and the MID via a serial one-wire bus, the information bus (I-bus ). Following users can be connected to the MID :
•CLOCK: The clock functions are included in the instrument cluster electronics.

•ON-BOARD COMPUTER: The on-board computer functions are included in the instrument cluster electronics.

•AUDIO: Radio functions

•TELEPHONE: Telephone functions


When a button is pressed, the MID transfers the signal via the I-bus to the corresponding communication device. The corresponding function must be understood and triggered by the device which has written the menu line.

On request of a communication device to the MID , the communication device sends a message to the MID . The text received by the MID is converted into a readable form and the information then indicated. Messages which cannot be evaluated are ignored.

Note

The MID control unit is connected to the I-bus.For this reason, not only is the data link involved in a diagnosis connection between the service tester and the MID control unit but also the I-bus link. In the case of faults in the diagnostic procedure, the diagnosis link must be checked between the diagnosis socket and the instrument cluster electronics (IKE). In addition, the I-bus link between IKE and MID must also be checked.

MID control panel

The MID control panel consists of a main display for function displays and a menu display for button labelling as well as the corresponding buttons.

The communication device to be operated is selected by means of labelled selection buttons on the MID . The corresponding device sends its display information to the MID .

The volume for the radio and telephone system is set by means of a volume control on the MID .

The MID can be switched on and off by pressing the volume control.

The search rocker switch is arranged above the volume control. It can be used to implement following functions:
•Radio operation: Station search, radio

•Cassette operation: Music search

•CD operation: Title search

•Telephone operation: Paging in telephone register


MID variants

The MID is installed in several variants:
•MIDto operate radio (AUDIO ), telephone (TEL ), on-board computer (BC ) and clock (CLOCK symbol)

•MIDto operate radio (AUDIO ) and on-board computer (BC ))

•MIDto operate radio (AUDIO ) and clock (CLOCK symbol)

•MIDas on-board computer (BC )) and clock (CLOCK symbol)

•Rear compartment MID : The MID is coded as a rear compartment MID by a jumper on the control unit connector (pin 5 and pin 11 connected). The MID is set automatically to a new diagnosis address when the control unit is plugged in. All other functions remain unchanged.


On-board computer test functions

The test functions which could be called up in the on-board computer (BC ) in the previous series for testing, checking the coding and for fast defect determination cannot be called up on the MID .

If required, these test functions must be called up by pressing the check-control button and the reset button for the trip odometer on the instrument cluster electronics (IKE ). The functions offered here basically correspond to the scope of functions as known from previous versions.

MID system test

The MID offers an integrated function test for simple system testing in the workshop and when conducting repairs "on site".

During this period of time, the display is blocked for all connected communication devices. The test menu used during the function test is generated by the MID itself, the tests are carried out by the MID without the participation of external devices. The test is also possible without the I-bus connected.

Function test selection:
•Ignition lock in position 0

•On the MID , press and hold the first and last menu button

•Then switch ignition lock to position 1 or 2.


When the MID function test is selected, the hardware status ("HW X.X"), software status ("SW X.X") as well as the MID version ("V X") are indicated in the main display.

Following tests are offered for selection in the test menu:
•Display test
The main display and the special lettering are driven one after the other and then together at 3 second clock pulse cycles. The test display is then activated with several test patterns.The test menu appears once again on conclusion of the test.

•Test of button functions
Visual feedback takes place in the display every time a button is pressed. The identification letter of the pressed button is shown in the main display. The menu buttons, selection buttons, search rocker switch and the radio ON/OFF button are tested. End of test takes place automatically 5 s after the last button is pressed.

•Test of volume control (only if installed)
Visual feedback is provided in the display in every stage of the volume control. A counter is shown in the main display which is incremented by 1 for every rotary step in clockwise direction and decremented by 1 for every rotary step in counterclockwise direction. One complete turn corresponds to 36 steps. The test is ended by selecting a new test from the test menu or by ending the system test.

•Test of function LEDs
Each of the LEDs installed is driven for 3 seconds. The test is concluded automatically, the test menu reappears at the end of the test.


End of function test:

The test is concluded when the ignition lock is switched from position 1 to position 0 or after a time of 5 s has elapsed after the last button to be pressed.

I-bus user test

At regular intervals of 10 s, the MID requests the device status from the connected communication devices AUDIO , TELEPHONE and IKE . If a valid response is not obtained over 2 request cycles, the corresponding device is blocked in the MID . i.e. the information of the communication device is cleared in the display and the relevant selection button is blocked. In this case, the MID enters the corresponding device as being faulty in its defect code memory.

The status inquiries are continued for the defective communication device in order to give it the chance of signalling again.

Resumption of normal operation and thus cancellation of the user lockout, takes place after two successful status scanning cycles. The entry in the defect code memory is then set to "does not exist at present".

Possible defect code entries:






Defect code


Defect



1

No valid status feedback from the instrument cluster electronics (IKE )


2

No valid status feedback from the radio (AUDIO )


3

No valid status feedback from the telephone (TELEPHONE )

[bugbyte]

I'll perform the mid test tomorrow and will let you know what I found. In the back of the trunk my fuse 75 is empty or no fuse connect to it. Will double check tomorrow. Thank you for the help full info. A painful lesson to learn.

[admranger]

Also, when checking fuses, don't look at them, use a Volt/Ohm Meter and check voltage to ground off of both legs of the fuse (one after the other, not simultaneously). A fuse can look good yet not have the ability to carry the current necessary for the component in question.

The BM53 has a fuse on it in the rear compartment. Make sure you check it if it is in this circuit.

[bugbyte]

I finally found the issue. The fuse 75 blew but you can't see it until using the OHM meter to check the connectivity. Thank you to TerminatorX5 to pointed me to the right direction and also thank you to ADMRANGER for the tip to check the fuse. Once again I'm very appreciate the help from TerminatorX5 and admranger.

[admranger]

Originally Posted by bugbyte

I finally found the issue. The fuse 75 blew but you can't see it until using the OHM meter to check the connectivity. Thank you to TerminatorX5 to pointed me to the right direction and also thank you to ADMRANGER for the tip to check the fuse. Once again I'm very appreciate the help from TerminatorX5 and admranger.

Glad you found it! Happy to help out as I am sure TerminatorX5 was.

[TerminatorX5]

Originally Posted by bugbyte

I finally found the issue. The fuse 75 blew but you can't see it until using the OHM meter to check the connectivity. Thank you to TerminatorX5 to pointed me to the right direction and also thank you to ADMRANGER for the tip to check the fuse. Once again I'm very appreciate the help from TerminatorX5 and admranger.

just saw this one... glad it worked out with a simple solution... would have been much worse if the MID internals would have blown...

One thing i would ask, if possible - can you edit the title of this thread to say SOLVED, RESOLVED, FIXED or something like that? it would help the next guy with similar issue...

Cheers!!!