x5 is now retired... went with a Jeep !

[TiAgX5]

The vid shows 6 tire blowouts while testing 7 dfferent Jeeps in the lane change test. What a POS!

Having owned a new '92, '99 and '02 Jeep GC, I can't count how many times they have failed/been flatbedded to dealers (over 30 times EASY!).

The ex-wife INSISTED on buying them, all 3 were problems GALORE!!!

I've posted on prior Jeep threads here about the laundry list of problems. Even seat frames that bent/broke (several times) in the '99 and '03. My ex was 115 lbs, I'm 6'1, 225 lbs. NEVER had a seat frame BEND/BREAK in ANY vehicle other then the Jeeps in 35 yrs of driving!

Never off roaded any of them, as I told the GM at Countryside Jeep in Clearwater....Trail Rated my ASS, must have been an F rating!

My X has over 175k miles and been flatbedded ONCE, waterpump failure.

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by TiAgX5

The vid shows 6 tire blowouts while testing 7 dfferent Jeeps in the lane change test. What a POS!

Having owned a new '92, '99 and '02 Jeep GC, I can't count how many times they have failed/been flatbedded to dealers (over 30 times EASY!).

The ex-wife INSISTED on buying them, all 3 were problems GALORE!!!

I've posted on prior Jeep threads here about the laundry list of problems. Even seat frames that bent/broke (several times) in the '99 and '03. My ex was 115 lbs, I'm 6'1, 225 lbs. NEVER had a seat frame BEND/BREAK in ANY vehicle other then the Jeeps in 35 yrs of driving!

Never off roaded any of them, as I told the GM at Countryside Jeep in Clearwater....Trail Rated my ASS, must have been an F rating!

My X has over 175k miles and been flatbedded ONCE, waterpump failure.

You must not have own an BMW E34. Google twisted seats BMW.

[TiAgX5]

Originally Posted by upallnight

You must not have own an BMW E34. Google twisted seats BMW.

Never owned an E34. Did BMW correct the issue and absorb costs?

Jeep constantly tried to charge me for replacement seat assemblies (frame, mounting tracks, cushions, leather covers, electric motors, the WHOLE ASS'Y), over $1000!

Came to find out the Jeep techs were getting in the back seat, putting their feet on the sagging side and bending them each time until the metal frame finally SNAPPED from repeated bending!

Had to get in the Service/General managers faces each time to get Jeep/Chrysler Corp to absorb the cost!

Pointed out the Viper had dozens of 11.3 second runs with me in it and ZERO seat issues.

Googled E34 bent seat frame. Seems the issue is a snapped cable that needs replacing allows one side of the seat to sag. NOTHING like the Jeep twisted seat issue caused by cheap/thin seatframe materal.

[TerminatorX5]

Originally Posted by upallnight

You must not have own an BMW E34. Google twisted seats BMW.

I had an E34... the both front seats were twisted...the issue was with the cable sleeve on the side rail motor - once the sleeve was shortened about 5 mm and the seat adjusted straight, there were no more issues with the bent seat...

however, to come up with the solution took a while... I think the BMW should have figured that one out - somebody did not pay attention to the details on the seat team...


That MOOSE TEST was scary!!! my cousin, he lives in Brooklyn, was riding with his friend in a new jeep (cherokee or grand cherokee, i don't remember), and the kid was making a turn, going less than 20-25 MPH, hit the curb (the mofo needs to learn how to fit in a turn!!!) and the jeep... the jeep was on its roof before anybody in the car had a chance to say anything!!! Granted, it was good 10-15 years ago, and the technology should improve from that point on but still... scary!!!

Around the same time my E34 did a waltz on the highway (going to NY as a matter of fact, had to avoid a piece of a debris, did the MOOSE maneuver), spun on the road 4 times from the left-most lane to the right-most lane going 65 MPH.. with me, wife and my mother in the car... happened so fast, we were just sitting there, on the shoulder, speechless... then we moved on, once i caught my breath... the result of that incident - burned edges of all 4 tires and nothing else...

my point is, while the all the gizmos and gadgets are fun to have in a car, the safety of a car is of a paramount value to me... I have seen too many fatal crushes overseas with impacts at cumulative speeds no more than 30-35 MPH, and you have 4 corpses laying on the ground... brrr... scary...

where is that thread we saw recently when poster's wife walked away from the E53 on the picture - you could not even identify the car as an E53...

[TiAgX5]

[QUOTE=TerminatorX5;975193].....That MOOSE TEST was scary!!! my cousin, he lives in Brooklyn, was riding with his friend in a new jeep (cherokee or grand cherokee, i don't remember), and the kid was making a turn, going less than 20-25 MPH, hit the curb (the mofo needs to learn how to fit in a turn!!!) and the jeep... the jeep was on its roof before anybody in the car had a chance to say anything!!! Granted, it was good 10-15 years ago, and the technology should improve from that point on but still... scary!!!......[QUOTE]

I had my '02 Jeep GC on 2 wheels near rollover in '04.

Driving down to a friends house on Big Pine Key, FL, Heading south on US 1 with 4 occupants, tightly packed luggage (below top of rear seat, load shift did not effect dynamics), and almost full tank of gas (fuel slosh did not effect dynamics). Doing 55 mph, a key deer ran across hwy (left to right), I swerved to the left and LIGHTLY applied brakes (into oncoming traffic lane, to go behind key deer), with approaching car coming at me I turned right and released the brake, the GCs left wheels grabbed and lifted the right wheels, steered left to catch the rollover, the INSTANT the right wheels touched down, the left wheels bit HARD and lifted the right wheels again (this time with right turn rotation)! More left steering input (all the way to the shoulder of the oncoming traffic lane) Had to pass the oncoming car on the LEFT to keep from rolling.

This event made me realize the combination of long wheel/spring travel and underdamping (crap shocks) allowed the right suspension to store the compression energy then release it rapidly (causing the left wheels to bite and increase roll rate).

This setup makes for good off-road capabilities, but treacherous on-road dynamics.

Buyers need to honestly ask themselves, is added off-road capability worth the risk of death on-road?

[Moezer]

Originally Posted by TiAgX5

The vid shows 6 tire blowouts while testing 7 dfferent Jeeps in the lane change test. What a POS!

Having owned a new '92, '99 and '02 Jeep GC, I can't count how many times they have failed/been flatbedded to dealers (over 30 times EASY!).

The ex-wife INSISTED on buying them, all 3 were problems GALORE!!!

I've posted on prior Jeep threads here about the laundry list of problems. Even seat frames that bent/broke (several times) in the '99 and '03. My ex was 115 lbs, I'm 6'1, 225 lbs. NEVER had a seat frame BEND/BREAK in ANY vehicle other then the Jeeps in 35 yrs of driving!

Never off roaded any of them, as I told the GM at Countryside Jeep in Clearwater....Trail Rated my ASS, must have been an F rating!

My X has over 175k miles and been flatbedded ONCE, waterpump failure.

cant beat a jeep at flexing

[TiAgX5]

Originally Posted by Moezer

cant beat a jeep at flexing

Yes, you can beat a Jeep.

If I needed a small, extreme off-roader I would go with the Defender 90.

[Nate Harasim]

Lmbo.... Us e53 guys are trying to convince you that the new jeep is unreliable. Congrats on the purchase... There's a reason most of them have an e53 and nothing newer. They can't afford a new one because all the money goes into Beamer parts.

[e30cabrio]

Originally Posted by Nate Harasim

Lmbo.... Us e53 guys are trying to convince you that the new jeep is unreliable. Congrats on the purchase... There's a reason most of them have an e53 and nothing newer. They can't afford a new one because all the money goes into Beamer parts.

Insightful analysis.

Shame it is 100% wrong.

I choose my e53 because it was what I wanted. Same seems to be the case for many posters here that could afford pretty much what we want.

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by Nate Harasim

Lmbo.... Us e53 guys are trying to convince you that the new jeep is unreliable. Congrats on the purchase... There's a reason most of them have an e53 and nothing newer. They can't afford a new one because all the money goes into Beamer parts.