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Old 03-29-2017, 07:03 PM
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How much impact does this have on emissions? Are there any numbers too show the difference with and without? I'm currently going to have to wait a month for a cat and pay more to keep the scr system I than it would to pull it. Obviously for off road use.
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Old 03-30-2017, 12:29 AM
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How much impact does this have on emissions? Are there any numbers too show the difference with and without? I'm currently going to have to wait a month for a cat and pay more to keep the scr system I than it would to pull it. Obviously for off road use.

Im curious...is there a percentage of impact where you will decide "oh, thats too much polution for my car- I'll just fix it properly."????
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:05 AM
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Im curious...is there a percentage of impact where you will decide "oh, thats too much polution for my car- I'll just fix it properly."????
Actually yes. I'm torn with this. I have a bad scr and they are on backorder. I want my vehicle to be more reliable and not have to pay so much to get this emissions components fixed throughout the life of the vehicle. I also care about air quality, water quality and climate change. I know there are worse offenders, that doesn't make contributing more acceptable.

That said, if the reduction in nox is minimal, I could live with it. The performance isn't as much a factor as reliability for me. I wish there were after market parts for this system.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:46 AM
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How much impact does this have on emissions? Are there any numbers too show the difference with and without? I'm currently going to have to wait a month for a cat and pay more to keep the scr system I than it would to pull it. Obviously for off road use.
The real question for most folks isn't how much emissions are impacted by removing various emissions devices, but can I live with the car post deletes.

There are trade offs of removing various components.

Example, remove the DOC and DPF means you will have significant diesel stink and black smoke unde certain condisitons and more noise. There is a long thread about this on e90post where folks have to keep their windows shut because of the diesel fumes.... might consider adding a doc,

Removing the scr catalyst, and def system adds more noise again, you'll really hear the turbo spool. But nearly no additional fumes. So from a living with it it's minor

So yes your car will be noisier, smellier, and more reliable. I would also keep in mind that under most conditions deleting the dpf and scr is only worth maybe 10-15hp, but is necessary if you want Hybrid. Removing the egr is pretty painless, it results in more orderless nox, bt improves fuel economy and reduces cbu

Also the more deleted the car is the harder it will be to sell, some folks want a deleted car but they are rare. Most won't want a modified car, as they think,it was raced and beat on. So as with all mods at best it won't help resale, at worst it hurts resale and you loose the cost of the mods and tune.

The car without emissions control will emit significant more hydrocarbons, particulates, NOx and noise. I'd suspect that NOx will be in the 40x range worse like on cheaty vws. Noise some more db, particulates is the really bad one as they are carcinogenic and you will be exposed to them. I personally wouldn't worry much, it's more about the resale, noise and stink (just use a dp with a doc)

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Old 03-31-2017, 11:21 PM
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So I ended up ordereing the Buzzken downpipe and midpipe kit and will be shipping the ECU to bwareca this weekend.

Decided against butchering the scr and dpf because they are in working condition and I might be able to sell them.

Plan on doing a few things to settle some questions I still have after reading other accounts:
  1. before and after 0 to 60 video on the same road and recreating same conditions as best as possible.
  2. I took a screenshot of my trip computer showing average speed and average mpg right now. After the project and some driving I'm gonna take another screenshot whenever the trip computer hits the same avg speed and similar miles driven. It should give a fairly accurate estimate of what happens to the mpg under similar driving conditions.
  3. before and after exhaust sound changes at idle and under acceleration at the tail pipe.
  4. Weight total weight savings in parts before and after.

Any other ideas I'm open to suggestions before I pull the ecu. This is a very exiting project
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