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Old 03-03-2010, 04:37 PM
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With all the battery problems I now know why BMW omitted the voltage gauge off the instrument cluster!
To get back OT, I completely agree. this is the very first vehicle I have ever had with no battery indicator. But, as with all these little shortcomings, enthusiasts (can anyone say Penguin?) find creative solutions!!!
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:38 PM
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Let's move any further BMW Assist GSM vs CDMA discussion to a thread dedicated to that topic.

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Old 03-03-2010, 05:57 PM
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To get back OT, I completely agree. this is the very first vehicle I have ever had with no battery indicator. But, as with all these little shortcomings, enthusiasts (can anyone say Penguin?) find creative solutions!!!
No temp gauge either. My first car to not have one, but I bet it has an idiot light somewhere...

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To get back OT, I completely agree. this is the very first vehicle I have ever had with no battery indicator. But, as with all these little shortcomings, enthusiasts (can anyone say Penguin?) find creative solutions!!!

If you want something unobtrusive, I have the signal dynamics single LED voltage warning installed on one of my motorcycles. With just a single LED to mount/locate, it should not be too hard to wire to a switched power lead and get a rough idea of how the battery/charging system is doing.

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:50 PM
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Wow did this get off topic. So what the heck let me chime in...

1. BMW Assist uses Verizon, not At&T or T-Mobile according to all the information I've read from BMW. Maybe that has changed with new models, etc? I'm not sure.

2. The Tele Atlas Nav issue (see my thread in the Nav forum) is a ridiculous one and to me just shows that BMW is no longer going to be improving an old model (like Microsoft ending support for older Windows versions). I don't like it, but I can understand why they are doing it.

3. Speaking of BMW Assist, here's a good one for you. In the E53 X5 the emergency button on the headliner is actually 2 buttons (unlike in the E70 or other newer BMW's that just have one button) arranged in a rocker-type of switch. One button (the SOS) was for calling BMW Assist. The other button (picture of a wrench) was for calling BMW Roadside Assistance. They are two separate entities. Now in case you didn't know, BMW Roadside Assistance was included with the E53 X5 for 4 years and if it was a CPO then 6 years. BMW Assist however was only included for the 1st year of ownership and thereafter it costs a whopping $199 per year! Well when BMW introduced new models with just one emergency button (the SOS button) which will only call BMW Assist, they also dropped support of the older BMW's Roadside Assistance button! So in an E53 X5, both buttons now ONLY call BMW Assist! Why is that a problem? Well, if your car is still less than 6 years old (and so still has BMW Roadside Assistance) and you don't pay $199 per year for BMW Assist then the emergency buttons on the headliner are worthless to you. If you need access to BMW Roadside Assistance then you better have your cell phone handy with the number programmed into it. Nice job BMW
Verizon is CDMA and BMW uses GSM in the X5...

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Old 03-08-2010, 05:06 AM
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Yep, you are correct.

MODEL-CDMA (VERIZON WIRELESS)
E60, E61 (5 Series) from SOP to 3/08
E63, E64 (6 Series) from SOP to 3/08
E65, E66 (7 Series) from 3/05 production
E70 (X5) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from SOP to 4/08
E71 (X6) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from SOP to 4/08
E82, E88 (1 Series) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from SOP to 3/08
E90, E91, E92, E93 (3 Series) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from SOP to 3/08

MODEL-GSM (AT&T WIRELESS)
E60, E61 (5 Series) from 3/08
E63, E64 (6 Series) from 3/08
E70 (X5) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from 4/08
E71 (X6) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from 4/08
E82, E88 (1 Series) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from 3/08
E90, E91, E92, E93 (3 Series) vehicles equipped with ZPP (Premium Package) or SA639 (BMW Assist) from 3/08

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Verizon is CDMA and BMW uses GSM in the X5...

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Great thread and info posts! As someone with the electrical/electronic "knowledge" of only being able to change out/charge a battery and plug in a cord,
I am reading closely, but it is a struggle.

Penquin's post above on monitoring voltage is apt: my Vette has a "volt gauge" dial and I can also put up the numerical readout in its very complete digital
readout section of the dashboard; my "volts" read as low as 12.9 to 14.8 ish, depending on start up, cruise, did I have the Tender on it, etc. I view it occasionally,
scrolling through all the "readouts" the Vette dash provides, but I don't give it much thought and it is not really a concern to my mind.

So, I agree on what a gauge or readout would really "offer" for the electrical non-intelligentsia, of which I am a member.
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Nice story P. But, as one mechanoignorant, I certainly would not worry about battery power within a reasonable range. More importantly, I would rather see a lower power condition on a built in gauge than wait for the iDrive or idiot light to tell me it is too late to do anything about (worse yet, get in and no start). But, as with everything: it is what it is and we all still like the vehicle enough to drop the $$ and spend time here chatting!

That said, if anyone wants to save a couple bucks (not much) on the ES5000 Battery booster Pack, look here: http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com...qx/product.htm
$125.94 + 9.99 flat rate ship to home (less to a business) and the flat rate applies up to 60 lbs and $400 (over $400 and under 60 lbs ships free).

In fact, they have a variety of different units: http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com...x/category.htm
and http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com...x/category.htm

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Take a look at the 4th listed failure. ?
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I bought a new '08 335i coupe two years ago. It has NAV, comfort access, no aftermarket anything.

SAME PROBLEM. I would get a low battery warning when trying to start the car. Occasionally when starting the car it would not respond when pushing the start button and there would be a warning signal that looked like a yellow lift indicating the car needed to be checked. The clock would also reset.

I just read this thread since I'm looking into an '11 X5. I almost laughed out loud as I told my wife about this thread, since this is exactly what I have experienced. I took my car to the dealer and they kept the car overnight for diagnostics, told me basically nothing wrong but "I don't drive it enough." This is the third car in my garage and I take it out about twice a week for a 10 mile drive, and a 200 mile drive every 2 weeks. Funny thing is I alternate cars and my Lexus RX and VW GTI don't have this problem even though they are driven the same amount. So I bought a battery tender and charge the BMW once every Wednesday. I'm thinking BMWs look and drive great but...

This is making me have serious thoughts about buying another BMW. I thought my 335i was just an oddball. Apparently not.

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