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Old 10-11-2010, 12:09 PM
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(a) and (f) were scheduled maintenance. So, you had 8 problems in 10 months, none of them related to mileage. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.

yeah i was going for a bit of sarcasm... i guess it didn't come across on the net...

i've been relatively disappointed with bmw on the build quality of the X5... my last new bmw was a 3er and that had very minor issues... I had a used M5 and a used 745Li and both were okay... I'm really wondering if its just the quality of work that comes out of the factory in spartanburg.
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Yeah I was going for a bit of sarcasm... I guess it didn't come across on the net...

I've been relatively disappointed with BMW on the build quality of the X5... my last new BMW was a 3er and that had very minor issues... I had a used M5 and a used 745Li and both were okay... I'm really wondering if it's just the quality of work that comes out of the factory in spartanburg.
This is just my opinion, but I don't think there is a problem with the quality of work done in Spartanburg. I do think that there are challenges for a manufacturer when the engineering, and engine manufacturing, are done in one country, and then assembly is done in another country many time zones away. I think it is the integration of the various subcomponents, dealing with third party suppliers that are a long way from the mother ship, and so on, that causes the nuisance issues. I don't know where the purchasing function is done, but I suspect it is spread across two continents. The potential issues in this are compounded by BMW's technology-driven approach, which often results in complexity for complexity's sake.
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This is just my opinion, but I don't think there is a problem with the quality of work done in Spartanburg. I do think that there are challenges for a manufacturer when the engineering, and engine manufacturing, are done in one country, and then assembly is done in another country many time zones away. I think it is the integration of the various subcomponents, dealing with third party suppliers that are a long way from the mother ship, and so on, that causes the nuisance issues. I don't know where the purchasing function is done, but I suspect it is spread across two continents. The potential issues in this are compounded by BMW's technology-driven approach, which often results in complexity for complexity's sake.

i think there's alot of merit in that... a car is a complex piece of machinery... there are alot of subcomponents and not everything is made by bmw... even if its made by bmw, maintaining quality is a pretty hard job to do.... managing suppliers especially when not in your home turf is really difficult as well.
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