2010 BMW X5 with 60k miles - should I buy or not ??

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by waqiidepp

What do you all think ?

Just my personal opinion, but based on my experience with my 2004 Z4 and my 2010 X35d, I would never buy a BMW with 60K on it, particularly if it was loaded. I'd save my pennies until I could buy a new one with a 4-year complete warranty.

[waqiidepp]

Its a 3.0si.
I also looked at a 2010 X5 3.0si, with nav, cold weather, park sensors, heated rear seats and steering wheel, comfort access, 45K miles CPO. the dealer is asking $37K for this one and is not going any more down.
So I need to decide between 60K miles with third party warranty VS. 44K miles with BMW CPO. the CPO would cost me $2k more but it has 15k less miles.

[ard]

Originally Posted by waqiidepp

So I need to decide between 60K miles with third party warranty

I keep asking...WHAT 3rd party warranty will you get that will cover a car already out of warranty?!?!??!

I think you will discover there is NO quality warranty you can add to that 60k mile car...

[PAX5]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Just my personal opinion, but based on my experience with my 2004 Z4 and my 2010 X35d, I would never buy a BMW with 60K on it, particularly if it was loaded. I'd save my pennies until I could buy a new one with a 4-year complete warranty.

Personally, I have no reservations whatsoever buying a BMW (or any other desirable car) with higher mileage (e.g. 50K+), as long as:
1. Complete dealer and non-dealer service records are verifiable and performed according to manufacturer recommended schedule during and after the warranty period.
2. All recalls and TSB's are known, and understood.
3. Historically BMW's best model year is near or at the end of of a life cycle. Try to buy one of these. Of course there are exceptions.
4. A PPI is performed by your trusted mechanic.
5. A willingness to do repairs yourself by using resources like this forum to solve problems.
6. Know and understand when and why you are in over your head and part with your car when "enough, is enough ..."
7. Buying a car this way can be a tremendously gratifying experience, both personally and economically.

[jspdr]

Originally Posted by basora

Personally, I have no reservations whatsoever buying a BMW (or any other desirable car) with higher mileage (e.g. 50K+), as long as:
1. Complete dealer and non-dealer service records are verifiable and performed according to manufacturer recommended schedule during and after the warranty period.
2. All recalls and TSB's are known, and understood.
3. Historically BMW's best model year is near or at the end of of a life cycle. Try to buy one of these. Of course there are exceptions.
4. A PPI is performed by your trusted mechanic.
5. A willingness to do repairs yourself by using resources like this forum to solve problems.
6. Know and understand when and why you are in over your head and part with your car when "enough, is enough ..."
7. Buying a car this way can be a tremendously gratifying experience, both personally and economically.

Purchasing a dream used or new car is an exiting time, and everyone's looking for that baby in the garage at the end. Why treated otherwise? Only so much you can do. No one can predicts when things can go wrong. Even for a new purchase, you need luck on your side, IMO.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by jspdr

Even for a new purchase, you need luck on your side, IMO.

Correct. But at least with a new vehicle the cost, but not inconvenience, is BMW NA's, not mine.

BMW also makes it harder to keep repair costs down after the warranty runs-out. I like to work and repair my own vehicles, but BMW makes that very difficult by being very reluctant to part with their tecnhnical data, e.g., they are the only vehicle manufacturer I know of that will not do a deal with AllData to sell technical repair data to DIYers -- even Porsche and Mercedes allows AllData to sell technical and repair data.

[jeremym]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Correct. But at least with a new vehicle the cost, but not inconvenience, is BMW NA's, not mine.

Anyone who believes that the maintenance and warranty costs (adjusted/averaged) are not built into the sale price of the vehicle are living in a fantasy world.

[jspdr]

Originally Posted by jeremym

Anyone who believes that the maintenance and warranty costs (adjusted/averaged) are not built into the sale price of the vehicle are living in a fantasy world.

Agree 100%. Thats their marketing strategies. Remember how Hyundai started? Then warranty built in up to 100k miles was one of the major turning point for them.

[PAX5]

Originally Posted by Penguin

BMW also makes it harder to keep repair costs down after the warranty runs-out. I like to work and repair my own vehicles, but BMW makes that very difficult by being very reluctant to part with their tecnhnical data, e.g., they are the only vehicle manufacturer I know of that will not do a deal with AllData to sell technical repair data to DIYers -- even Porsche and Mercedes allows AllData to sell technical and repair data.

My newest BMW is a 2008. Bought it used with 50K miles. No warranty and no CPO. Relied entirely on verifiable records and PPI inspection (done by myself).

I couldn't agree with you more on this point. After 3 yrs of ownership on this techno-beast, I am getting very frustrated not being able to do simple repairs myself (simple for me would be something like replacing the battery without having to track down INPA software to register and/or code the darn thing, or pay the dealer $400 to $500 to do the job).

I LOOOOVE driving this car, but not at a cost that is at least 3x to 4x that of my 2010 Honda!!! I am close to saying "enough is enough ..." And this is after 30+ years of BMW ownership and some 20+ BMW's later.

My friend cautioned me about access to Alldata .. he has switched over to Porche's. Too bad I don't like the looks of the Cayenne.

[jeremym]

Originally Posted by basora

My newest BMW is a 2008. Bought it used with 50K miles. No warranty and no CPO. Relied entirely on verifiable records and PPI inspection (done by myself).

I couldn't agree with you more on this point. After 3 yrs of ownership on this techno-beast, I am getting very frustrated not being able to do simple repairs myself (simple for me would be something like replacing the battery without having to track down INPA software to register and/or code the darn thing, or pay the dealer $400 to $500 to do the job).

I LOOOOVE driving this car, but not at a cost that is at least 3x to 4x that of my 2010 Honda!!! I am close to saying "enough is enough ..." And this is after 30+ years of BMW ownership and some 20+ BMW's later.

My friend cautioned me about access to Alldata .. he has switched over to Porche's. Too bad I don't like the looks of the Cayenne.

Well, I do understand your point, you can't compare a Honda to a BMW in that regard. Inherently, BMWs are more expensive (usually). In this case, I'm not sure of any Honda that compares with a $75k "SAV" in the context we're speaking in.