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Old 06-27-2006, 11:23 PM
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Is anyone using the rockford 3sixty? If so, please let me know what you think.
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I think that installers who use the 360 or the CleanSweep in X5s don't know what they are doing. There are cases where you need one of these - but X5s and X3s are not any of them (and neither are E39s, E90s, E46s, etc).

Functionally, both units are intended to do the following:

1) Knock speaker level signals down to a usable level. Don't need that in an X5 or X3 - HU has balanced preamp output.

2) Reverse-equalize factory EQ curves out of the signal - especially in cars with dynamic equalization (volume-dependent). The X5 and X3 have a flat un-processed output from the HU -don't need that.

3) Provide an aux input. We have Icelinks and DICE modules and others, don't need that.

So other than giving an installer a false sense that he knows what he's doing with OEM HU integration, what good does this $400 do you?

Use an amp that will take an OEM balanced input. If you want max audiophile SQ, get an Iso-Max.
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Originally Posted by el_duderino
I think that installers who use the 360 or the CleanSweep in X5s don't know what they are doing. There are cases where you need one of these - but X5s and X3s are not any of them (and neither are E39s, E90s, E46s, etc).

Functionally, both units are intended to do the following:

1) Knock speaker level signals down to a usable level. Don't need that in an X5 or X3 - HU has balanced preamp output.

2) Reverse-equalize factory EQ curves out of the signal - especially in cars with dynamic equalization (volume-dependent). The X5 and X3 have a flat un-processed output from the HU -don't need that.

3) Provide an aux input. We have Icelinks and DICE modules and others, don't need that.

So other than giving an installer a false sense that he knows what he's doing with OEM HU integration, what good does this $400 do you?

Use an amp that will take an OEM balanced input. If you want max audiophile SQ, get an Iso-Max.
Those of us who have DSP don't have flat unprocessed output from the HU - unless we want to trash DSP.

At least that's my (very limited) understanding of the problem. The 360 will take the high level outputs coming out of the DSP amp and bring them back down to line-level, and also allow you to eq the signal if necessary.

I'm in the process of designing the audio integration for my X and the current design involves using 360's after the DSP amp for the reasons stated above. If I'm completely off-base on this I'd certainly like to know NOW before I lay out the $ on the 360's and all the amps. There are ELEVEN channels in the DSP system and you'd need to retain functionality of all of them (which means you can't sum any of them) if you want to retain full functionality of the DSP processor and its EQ.

There's a distinct possibility, however, that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I just started researching this a few months ago and my day job is NOT in the A/V industry
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I did the Dsp Bypass thing.
http://www.xoutpost.com/stereo-system...ghlight=bypass
And it worked fine. I did loose my DSP as decribed in that thread.

It my understanding that the RF 360 , JL CleanSweep and AC LC8 all do channel summing as well as EQ flattening. So wouldn't the above products eliminate the DSP anyways?

I was going to go the summing route but the cost and time for a worse sounding system just doesnt make sense.
If you really want an EQ, get a trunk mount one like this.Much better than factory DSP EQ.
http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/produc...248&l1=5248&l2=
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I did the Dsp Bypass thing.
http://www.xoutpost.com/stereo-system...ghlight=bypass
And it worked fine. I did loose my DSP as decribed in that thread.

It my understanding that the RF 360 , JL CleanSweep and AC LC8 all do channel summing as well as EQ flattening. So wouldn't the above products eliminate the DSP anyways?

I was going to go the summing route but the cost and time for a worse sounding system just doesnt make sense.
If you really want an EQ, get a trunk mount one like this.Much better than factory DSP EQ.
http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/produc...48&l1=5248&l2=
You CAN sum channels with the 360 - but you don't have to - at least that's my understanding.

I agree that if you're going to sum channels you might as well just bypass the DSP amp altogether - and if you do this you'll have a fairly pure signal from the HU to start with. I'm still sort of on the fence about the issue; bypassing the DSP amp is an option that's still on the table for me.

The problem with a trunk mounted EQ is that it's in the trunk. I like being able to access the EQ through the NAV screen.
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It would be nice to have an on screen EQ with aftermarket gear.
It is possible but its really expensive to do. How often do you acually change your EQ settings anyway?
Personally I've only adjusted mine once when I first bought my X.

What I'm getting to is IMO its not worth it to keep the DSP.
If you absolutely stuck on DSP take a look at these two products.
http://www.alpine-usa.com/en/product...model=PXE-H650
http://www.alpine-usa.com/en/product...model=VPA-B222

BTW.... All the Rockford stuff I've installed hasn't impressed me at all(except there high end subs).
Years ago Rockford made CD players and EQ's. You have to wonder why they stopped making them.
hint....poor quality and could never be repaired(always had to be replaced)
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It would be nice to have an on screen EQ with aftermarket gear.
It is possible but its really expensive to do. How often do you acually change your EQ settings anyway?
Personally I've only adjusted mine once when I first bought my X.

What I'm getting to is IMO its not worth it to keep the DSP.
If you absolutely stuck on DSP take a look at these two products.
http://www.alpine-usa.com/en/product...model=PXE-H650
http://www.alpine-usa.com/en/product...model=VPA-B222

BTW.... All the Rockford stuff I've installed hasn't impressed me at all(except there high end subs).
Years ago Rockford made CD players and EQ's. You have to wonder why they stopped making them.
hint....poor quality and could never be repaired(always had to be replaced)
Thanks for the info - particularly for letting me know Rockford might have QC issues. The 360's are pretty complex devices and they're configured via a palm device. One of my worries about using them is reliability given their complexity.

One of the really cool things about the 360's, however, is that each channel has its own eq, its own adjustable crossover AND its own adjustable delay. But that's only cool if it actually works and doesn't break.

The problem, of course, with trashing the DSP is that it is related (somehow) to the BT handsfree system in the car, so if I trash the amp, I've got to figure out how to get BT working again.

(sigh!) so many decisions....
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I'm not sure about Bluetooth at all.(I know nothing about it)

Look at your options this way, it will cost you almost nothing to try the DSP bypass. If your not happy you can always return it back to normal and go a different route.
The DSP bypass takes about 10 mins to do if know what your doing aside from hooking up new gear.
Won't hurt to try.
Good luck
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Old 07-01-2006, 09:19 PM
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I am using the DSP amp to run the dash speakers and the factory subs. I want to use the 360 to provide RCA out puts for the other two amps. I would like to keep the whole system upgrade simple. I could just use a PAC line level converters, however, I think 250 is a small price to pay for the added flexability.
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You have no idea how complicated the DSP system is.
There is no such thing as a (simple) upgrade on DSP.
Read these threads
http://www.xoutpost.com/stereo-system...?highlight=dsp

http://www.xoutpost.com/stereo-system...?highlight=dsp

http://www.xoutpost.com/stereo-system...?highlight=dsp


http://www.xoutpost.com/stereo-system...io-system.html


The last one is probably the most well explained threads I've ever read. It cleared up any questions I could possibly have had.
Let us know what you think after reading those posts.
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