Dumb question - what IS non-DSP speaker setup?

[el_duderino]

On a non-DSP X5, what is the actual speaker system setup? How many, where?

Is the front speaker set a 2-way or 3-way?

[el_duderino]

20 views and not ONE response ?

[broknlgs24]

i honestly don't have an answer.
i was thinking that ur post might be
some sort of joke though. i always thought
of u to be our Car Audio guru.

i'll check w/ a buddy of mine and see if he knows.
he worked at a Car Audio place for many years.

[dkl]

On US specs models, there are 10 speakers in the standard stereo (speaker-wise, similar to the DSP setup - minus 2 subs). Up front, there's 2 woofer in the doors, 2 tweeters in the side mirrors, and 2 mids in the dash. Out back, there's 2 woofers and 2 tweeters in the doors.

[alpac]

Originally Posted by el_duderino

On a non-DSP X5, what is the actual speaker system setup? How many, where?

Is the front speaker set a 2-way or 3-way?

Here are the two different wirings I have found on non DSP X5's, a 42 pins and a 12 pins. This refers to the output connector of the factory amp:

1) 42 pins connector (actually 2 connectors side by side, a grey one and a black one):

Grey ½ of connector:
Pin # 13 / Tweeter Rear Right door + * Yellow Pin # 21 / Tweeter Rear Right door - *Blue / yellow
Pin # 12 / Tweeter Front Right - Blue / Brown Pin #20 / no connection
Pin # 11 / Tweeter Front Right + Blue / black Pin #19 / no connection
Pin # 10 / Switched +12v remote turn on White Pin #18 / no connection
Pin # 9 / Head unit output Front Right + Blue / red Pin #17 / Head unit output Front Right - Brown / orange
Pin # 8 / Head unit output Rear Right + Blue / black Pin #16 / Head unit output Rear Right - Brown / orange
Pin # 7 / no connection Pin #15 / no connection
Pin # 6 / no connection Pin #14 / no connection
Pin # 5 / +12v factory amp +12v supply *Red / green
Pin # 4 / Woofer Front Left +Blue / white
Pin # 3 / Woofer Front Left -Blue / brown
Pin # 2 / Woofer Rear Left +Yellow
Pin # 1 / Woofer Rear Left -Brown

Black ½ of connector:
Pin # 34 / Tweeter Front Left - Yellow / brown Pin # 42 / Mid Front Right door + *Green
Pin # 33 / Tweeter Front Left + Yellow / red Pin #41 / Mid Front Right door - *Blue / green
Pin # 32 / Tweeter Rear left door - * Yellow / brown Pin #40 / Mid Front left door + *White
Pin # 31 / Tweeter Rear Left door + * Yellow / black Pin #39 / Mid Front left door - *Blue / white
Pin # 30 / Head output Front left - Brown / orange Pin #38 / Head output Front Left + Yellow / red
Pin # 29 / Head output Rear Left - Brown / orange Pin #37 / Head output Rear Left + Yellow / black
Pin # 28 / no connection Pin #36 / no connection
Pin # 27 / no connection Pin #35 / no connection
Pin # 26 / DC ground factory ampBrown
Pin # 25 / Woofer Rear Right +Blue
Pin # 24 / Woofer Rear Right -Brown
Pin # 23 / Woofer Front Right +Blue / Red
Pin # 22 / Woofer Front Right -Blue / Brown

Pins 1-5 and 22-26 are bigger connections that then other pins.



2) 12 pins connectors (see pic below):

[Hans_ACS]

I have the standard speaker system, it has a 2 way component set upfront, woofer in the door, mid/tweeter on the dash. In the rear door, I only have a woofer.

That's it

[el_duderino]

OK, so US gets front three-ways, but Euro gets two-ways only?

hans, do you have tweeters in the mirror "sails" at the top of the door?

[btrvalik]

It is my understanding (thanks to alpac) that the cross-overs are located in the amplifier. Is the cross-over on the input side to the amp? For the mid-bass speakers in the doors, is it only a low-pass filter? Now that I have a sub-woofer I would like to add a high-pass to eliminate some of the bass that the door speakers cannot handle very well. I'm thinking I could add a passive filter on the output of the amp. I believe that the speaker are about 6 ohms. If I use a 300-400 uf cap this should give me a 6db/octave highpass at about 75-100 Hz. Am I on the right track here?

[statdoc]

elduderino, I assume you have seen this, but if not, this link to real OEM might help.

[el_duderino]

Originally Posted by btrvalik

It is my understanding (thanks to alpac) that the cross-overs are located in the amplifier. Is the cross-over on the input side to the amp? For the mid-bass speakers in the doors, is it only a low-pass filter? Now that I have a sub-woofer I would like to add a high-pass to eliminate some of the bass that the door speakers cannot handle very well. I'm thinking I could add a passive filter on the output of the amp. I believe that the speaker are about 6 ohms. If I use a 300-400 uf cap this should give me a 6db/octave highpass at about 75-100 Hz. Am I on the right track here?

We (obviously haven't gotten a non-DSP X5 into the store to do the same analysis that we did on the DSp X5.

ANy Portland area X5 owners that would like to volunteer for this analysis, contact me at x5world at avincar dot com.

As far as your xover goes, I don't think that will give you enough attenuation, and I think ryou'll need a steeper filter - but the coil across the terminals will probably feak out the OEM amp.

Just replace the darned thing...